NZ Maori to tour Canada

NZ Maori to tour Canada

Post by Stephen Doyl » Wed, 05 Mar 2003 14:23:25


Rugby: NZ Maori to tour Canada

04.03.2003 3.39 pm

The New Zealand Maori rugby team are to undertake a short tour of Canada
this year.

Three matches, two of them against Canada, were confirmed today by the New
Zealand Rugby Union (NZRU).

New Zealand Maori will play Canada in Toronto on July 26 and Kingston,
Ontario on August 2. As well, they will play Canada East in Ottawa on July
30.

Full story:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/latestnewsstory.cfm?storyID=3198936&thesect...
rt&thesubsection=latest

How will they fare against Canada? Or should it be how will Canada fare
against them?

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NZ Maori to tour Canada

Post by Gary Thompso » Wed, 05 Mar 2003 14:39:42


Quote:

> New Zealand Maori will play Canada in Toronto on July 26 and Kingston,
> Ontario on August 2. As well, they will play Canada East in Ottawa on July
> 30.

but guess what Flavell will be able to tour - that should make the canucks
happy.
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Post by Kiwicanuc » Wed, 05 Mar 2003 15:26:04

What about British ***y Columbia??  The ..*ahem*... heartland of Canadian
rugby where we can actually play the game for more than three months of the
year and where the majority of the national team come from.. and always
have.

Ripped off.


Quote:
> Rugby: NZ Maori to tour Canada

> 04.03.2003 3.39 pm

> The New Zealand Maori rugby team are to undertake a short tour of Canada
> this year.

> Three matches, two of them against Canada, were confirmed today by the New
> Zealand Rugby Union (NZRU).

> New Zealand Maori will play Canada in Toronto on July 26 and Kingston,
> Ontario on August 2. As well, they will play Canada East in Ottawa on July
> 30.

> Full story:

http://SportToday.org/

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Quote:
> rt&thesubsection=latest

> How will they fare against Canada? Or should it be how will Canada fare
> against them?

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Post by Gary Thompso » Wed, 05 Mar 2003 15:42:54


Quote:
> What about British ***y Columbia??  The ..*ahem*... heartland of
Canadian
> rugby where we can actually play the game for more than three months of
the
> year and where the majority of the national team come from.. and always
> have.

> Ripped off.

what about the other coast -the home of Rod Snow. You'd think they'd do a
proper tour -
Land in BC -play a warm up travel across the country with a final test in
newfoundland - that would put the  shits up the Maori team - chances are
they'd have to deal with snow, hail, blanketing fog, heat stroke and thats
just in the first half. And with a night out on George St for the boys would
do wonders to for canadian rugby in about 18 years.

Quote:



> > Rugby: NZ Maori to tour Canada

> > 04.03.2003 3.39 pm

> > The New Zealand Maori rugby team are to undertake a short tour of Canada
> > this year.

> > Three matches, two of them against Canada, were confirmed today by the
New
> > Zealand Rugby Union (NZRU).

> > New Zealand Maori will play Canada in Toronto on July 26 and Kingston,
> > Ontario on August 2. As well, they will play Canada East in Ottawa on
July
> > 30.

> > Full story:

http://SportToday.org/

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Quote:
> > rt&thesubsection=latest

> > How will they fare against Canada? Or should it be how will Canada fare
> > against them?

> > --
> > Cheers
> > Stephen Doyle

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NZ Maori to tour Canada

Post by Bryan Ra » Wed, 05 Mar 2003 16:42:01

Quote:
> How will they fare against Canada? Or should it be how will Canada fare
> against them?

If past form is any indication the Maoris should walk away undefeated, but
it won't be a cakewalk by any stretch. Canada will be using these games as
last-chance selection vehicles, with the last "test" likely the first we
will see of the World Cup starting XV. We'll field some big boys in the
pack, and I think you'll be impressed by some of our young studs in the
backline offensively, but defensively it will be a major step up for these
lads and I think the pace of the game will just be a tad over their heads.

The final test will give us a good indication of where we are, but I would
consider any result within 20 points of the Maoris a strong effort. This may
seem pessimistic but the current level of competition here in Canada has
been very poor as of late, particularly in the so-called "hot-bed" of rugby
here in Canada, British Columbia, where up until the start of the second
half of the season a couple weeks ago our Canada u23 Pacific Pride program
was destroying nearly all opposition with relative ease. Thankfully some of
the 7s boys have returned and the best of the Ontario talent has relocated
and now the action is picking up a bit. It is still, however, a level well
short of anything Super 12 or even NPC rugby has to offer. The pace of the
game just isn't there, and while our boys may be fitter and stronger than
ever, in the end big match experience will take its toll.

cheers,
Bryan Ray

 
 
 

NZ Maori to tour Canada

Post by Mike Irelan » Wed, 05 Mar 2003 17:10:41

Have to agree with you Bryan. If we get within 20 points of the Maoris,
I'll be very happy. However, the big question is how we'll do against
Wales in the World Cup. Do you think our lads can topple the Dragon in
October? (Of course, Italy and Tonga aren't going to be easy games to
win, either, but I think we'll win those.) Can we beat the Welsh? I
think we have a decent shot.

Mike

Quote:

>>How will they fare against Canada? Or should it be how will Canada fare
>>against them?

> If past form is any indication the Maoris should walk away undefeated, but
> it won't be a cakewalk by any stretch. Canada will be using these games as
> last-chance selection vehicles, with the last "test" likely the first we
> will see of the World Cup starting XV. We'll field some big boys in the
> pack, and I think you'll be impressed by some of our young studs in the
> backline offensively, but defensively it will be a major step up for these
> lads and I think the pace of the game will just be a tad over their heads.

> The final test will give us a good indication of where we are, but I would
> consider any result within 20 points of the Maoris a strong effort. This may
> seem pessimistic but the current level of competition here in Canada has
> been very poor as of late, particularly in the so-called "hot-bed" of rugby
> here in Canada, British Columbia, where up until the start of the second
> half of the season a couple weeks ago our Canada u23 Pacific Pride program
> was destroying nearly all opposition with relative ease. Thankfully some of
> the 7s boys have returned and the best of the Ontario talent has relocated
> and now the action is picking up a bit. It is still, however, a level well
> short of anything Super 12 or even NPC rugby has to offer. The pace of the
> game just isn't there, and while our boys may be fitter and stronger than
> ever, in the end big match experience will take its toll.

> cheers,
> Bryan Ray

 
 
 

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Post by John Cawsto » Wed, 05 Mar 2003 18:26:31

Quote:

> > How will they fare against Canada? Or should it be how will Canada fare
> > against them?

> If past form is any indication the Maoris should walk away undefeated, but
> it won't be a cakewalk by any stretch. Canada will be using these games as
> last-chance selection vehicles, with the last "test" likely the first we
> will see of the World Cup starting XV. We'll field some big boys in the
> pack, and I think you'll be impressed by some of our young studs in the
> backline offensively, but defensively it will be a major step up for these
> lads and I think the pace of the game will just be a tad over their heads.

> The final test will give us a good indication of where we are, but I would
> consider any result within 20 points of the Maoris a strong effort. This may
> seem pessimistic but the current level of competition here in Canada has
> been very poor as of late, particularly in the so-called "hot-bed" of rugby
> here in Canada, British Columbia, where up until the start of the second
> half of the season a couple weeks ago our Canada u23 Pacific Pride program
> was destroying nearly all opposition with relative ease. Thankfully some of
> the 7s boys have returned and the best of the Ontario talent has relocated
> and now the action is picking up a bit. It is still, however, a level well
> short of anything Super 12 or even NPC rugby has to offer. The pace of the
> game just isn't there, and while our boys may be fitter and stronger than
> ever, in the end big match experience will take its toll.

Depends a fair bit on who is released for the tour.

For example, its unlikely that Meeuws, Hayman, Mealamu, or Hoeft/Feek , Maxwell,
Flavell, Randell, Holah, Spenser, Howlett, Ralph or MacDonald would be released.

Looking at the potential players from around the provinces and S12, there arn't
too many familiar faces, so it may be more of a development/oldies team that
travels.

Off the top of my head, some players could be:

LH prop,
***, Flynn
TH prop, Manu
Lock, Reece Robinson
Lock,
No 7, Harding (?)
No 6,
No 8,
HB, Haami
1st five, Hill
2nd, Ranby
Centre, Lowen
Wing, Randle
Wing,
FB, Miller, Crichton

JC

 
 
 

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Post by gary » Wed, 05 Mar 2003 19:10:44


Quote:
> Lock, Reece Robinson
> Lock,

Flavell

Quote:
> No 7, Harding (?)
> 1st five, Hill

Brown
 
 
 

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Post by Chris Vanderslui » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 00:29:35

Quote:


> > Lock, Reece Robinson
> > Lock,

> Flavell

> > No 7, Harding (?)

> > 1st five, Hill

> Brown

Well first up it is an excellent and exciting initiative betwixt the
NZ/Canada RUs.  Two things that will balance things out will be a
diluted NZM party and Ontario summer humidity our 16th man.  Also we
have a 17th man which is our match officials but we'll let you find that
out.  We have been starved of Touring sides since the game went Pro, and
it has hurt our game no end.  In a sense we lost a good quarter of our
top fixtures and the glamour that went with it, much like the Welsh,
when Tours simply dried up.  We used to get a parade of Top Talent
passing through.  The top echelon of our players have gone to Europe for
money yes, but also to broaden their rugby horizons.  The game here is
boring and repetitive and that is just the fixture list.  The Toronto
----> Ottawa corridor is a great place to tour, with lots of things to
see and do.  You can drink our beer and sleep with our women no problem
as long as it is not my girlfriend, you will be gone before the snow
falls.  Can you imagine what is going to happen when the Maoris step
onto say, a Mohawk reservation in Akweshasne for a roll of the dice at
the ***!  On my God.

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NZ Maori to tour Canada

Post by Paul Kendal » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 03:51:33


Quote:
> Depends a fair bit on who is released for the tour.

> For example, its unlikely that Meeuws, Hayman, Mealamu, or Hoeft/Feek ,
> Maxwell, Flavell, Randell, Holah, Spenser, Howlett, Ralph or MacDonald
> would be released.

> Looking at the potential players from around the provinces and S12, there
> arn't too many familiar faces, so it may be more of a development/oldies
> team that travels.

> Off the top of my head, some players could be:

> LH prop,

I still Feek is the most likely.  Mitchell would want some fringe ABs
playing if they're not involved in the 3N.

Quote:
> ***, Flynn
> TH prop, Manu
> Lock, Reece Robinson
> Lock,

Ormsby and Bryce Williams were both in the squad to Aust last year.

Quote:
> No 7, Harding (?)
> No 6,

Gibbes is the incumbent no.6.

Quote:
> No 8,

Cribb or Randell.

Quote:
> HB, Haami

Probably still Duggan.  David Gibson is another.

Quote:
> 1st five, Hill

Or Jackson (my preference).

Quote:
> 2nd, Ranby

Ranby isn't a Maori JC.  King is.

Quote:
> Centre, Lowen
> Wing, Randle
> Wing,

Brad Fleming.  Add Rico Gear to the mix too.  

Other backs involved in Aust last season were Willie Walker, Ryan
Nicholas and Joe Maddock.  Not sure about the current status of Mark
Mayerhofler and Slade McFarland.  Missing would be Bruce Reihana, Deon
Muir, Matua Parkinson and Blair Urlich.  I might try to make the Toronto
game myself.

--
Paul Kendall

 
 
 

NZ Maori to tour Canada

Post by imanutt » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 04:05:30


Quote:
> Have to agree with you Bryan. If we get within 20 points of the Maoris,
> I'll be very happy. However, the big question is how we'll do against
> Wales in the World Cup. Do you think our lads can topple the Dragon in
> October? (Of course, Italy and Tonga aren't going to be easy games to
> win, either, but I think we'll win those.) Can we beat the Welsh? I
> think we have a decent shot.

> Mike


> >>How will they fare against Canada? Or should it be how will Canada fare
> >>against them?

> > If past form is any indication the Maoris should walk away undefeated,
but
> > it won't be a cakewalk by any stretch. Canada will be using these games
as
> > last-chance selection vehicles, with the last "test" likely the first we
> > will see of the World Cup starting XV. We'll field some big boys in the
> > pack, and I think you'll be impressed by some of our young studs in the
> > backline offensively, but defensively it will be a major step up for
these
> > lads and I think the pace of the game will just be a tad over their
heads.

> > The final test will give us a good indication of where we are, but I
would
> > consider any result within 20 points of the Maoris a strong effort. This
may
> > seem pessimistic but the current level of competition here in Canada has
> > been very poor as of late, particularly in the so-called "hot-bed" of
rugby
> > here in Canada, British Columbia, where up until the start of the second
> > half of the season a couple weeks ago our Canada u23 Pacific Pride
program
> > was destroying nearly all opposition with relative ease. Thankfully some
of
> > the 7s boys have returned and the best of the Ontario talent has
relocated
> > and now the action is picking up a bit. It is still, however, a level
well
> > short of anything Super 12 or even NPC rugby has to offer. The pace of
the
> > game just isn't there, and while our boys may be fitter and stronger
than
> > ever, in the end big match experience will take its toll.

> > cheers,
> > Bryan Ray

>Going by the last three years around the Month of October in Australia the

wheather can be very unstable,there is a good chance some days are going to
be 28 to 33 plus...***y Hot... teams would have to adjust to conditions.I
just wonder how the Northern hemisphere teams will go on days like that.
 
 
 

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Post by Bryan Ra » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 04:37:37

Quote:
> I might try to make the Toronto game myself.

I'll be at all three games if anyone else cares to head for a pint or 10
after (or during) the game.

cheers,
Bryan Ray

 
 
 

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Post by Bryan Ra » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 04:53:45

Quote:
> Do you think our lads can topple the Dragon in October?

It's hard at this point to really decide whether Wales will actually be more
difficult than Italy or Tonga. Wales are quite poor right now, and quite
frankly their options for the World Cup don't look much better than what
they have now, unless they send out an SOS to Quinnell, Gibbs, and Howley to
save the day, but that's unlikely.

The tricky thing about Italy is that they're already looking much-improved,
and by the time the World Cup comes around, they'll likely have Walter
Pozzebon and Matteo Barbini fit and back at no12, both of whom are much
better than Giovanni Raineri. They'll also likely have Carlo Checchinato in
the second row, who in case you've never seen an Italy game before this year
is a truly first class forward. Andrea Lo Cicero, their enigmatic loosehead,
will be much fitter as he's finally got back into club rugby with Lazio, and
Mauro Bergamasco will have been playing on the wing for a few months should
be much improved. The Azzuri could be surprisingly exciting in 6 months.

As for Tonga, well... I don't think anyone has a clue how good they'll be,
even Jim Love, their head coach. A lot depends on who they'll have in the
squad, who makes themself available. A possible tight five could be David
Briggs, Aleki Lutui, Tevita Taumoepeau, Inoke Afeaki, and Milton Ngauamo,
all of whom have Super 12 experience. Add huge ball-carrying back rowers
like Epi Taione, Ipo Fenukitau, Johnny Koloi, Stanley Afeaki, and maybe
Finau Maka and Samiu Vahafolau... 100+kg backs like Salesi Finau, Taunaholo
Taufahema, Seti Kiole, Gus Leger, Salesi Moimoi, Pierre Hola, etc etc etc...
They may not be household names, but it's probably got more to do with an
inability to pronounce their names and the fact that they're Tongan than
their talent. Anyway, a big, strong team they'll surely be, and if halfbacks
Sililo Martens and Josh Taumalolo can get them going, they could stir up
trouble for anyone. And heck, who knows, if the IRB changes eligibility
rules, you could see Isitolo Maka, Charles Riechelmann, and Koula Tukino in
the red jersey. Scary, eh? (well, maybe not to you blasted kiwis but to
anyone else in the world the prospect of facing a tongan team with some
former all blacks in it isn't a happy one)

Anyway, the point is Canada's pool is very difficult, but I think the pack
has been together long enough, particularly the tight five, to give any
team, NZ included, a run for their money. The backs are totally up in the
air, but a Williams to Barker to DiGirolamo to Cannon to Lougheed and
Stanley on the wings with Verstraten at fullback doesn't sound too bad to
me!

Argh... too much analysis.... maybe I'll just roll a couple dice.

cheers,
Bryan Ray

 
 
 

NZ Maori to tour Canada

Post by Patrick Johnsto » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 04:53:52


Quote:



> what about the other coast -the home of Rod Snow. You'd think they'd do a
> proper tour -
> Land in BC -play a warm up travel across the country with a final test in
> newfoundland - that would put the  shits up the Maori team - chances are
> they'd have to deal with snow, hail, blanketing fog, heat stroke and thats
> just in the first half. And with a night out on George St for the boys
would
> do wonders to for canadian rugby in about 18 years.

While a big tour like that would be great, I think the biggest problem would
be finances.  It's the CRU that's paying for this tour, and so the cost of
flying the Maori from one coast, to central Canada, to the other would be
prohibitively expensive for our poor old national union.

And as for putting on the games here, RC seems to constantly forget that the
biggest crowds they get (aka the most $$$$) is out here, and yet they
continue to put more of these self-containted 'little tours' out east.

PJ

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Post by Coll Isla » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 05:15:23

Quote:

> "<snip>

> While a big tour like that would be great, I think the biggest problem would
> be finances.  It's the CRU that's paying for this tour, and so the cost of
> flying the Maori from one coast, to central Canada, to the other would be
> prohibitively expensive for our poor old national union.

> And as for putting on the games here, RC seems to constantly forget that the
> biggest crowds they get (aka the most $$$$) is out here, and yet they
> continue to put more of these self-containted 'little tours' out east.

It seems a bit greedy.  Why not Vancouver, Kingston, Ottawa?  Vancouver would be
good for Edmonton & Calgary; Toronto + upstate USofA can go up to Kingston;
Ottawa is good for Montreal + upstate USofA, perhaps the Maritimes.  This means
Toronto and Atlantic Canada getting the shaft of course.  Scotland rearranged
the Eastern leg of their Tour last year to disappoint, I think, New Brunswick.
The big issue is we could take at least another Tour from anywhere Downunder and
make it work at the S12 or equivalent level.  We need more Tours, not less.