British Clubs Using Overseas Players

British Clubs Using Overseas Players

Post by Alex Gof » Sun, 27 Sep 1998 04:00:00


British Clubs are full of overseas players that's good for the foreigners,
and fun for the fans, but is that the best thing for the future of the game
in those countries?

Please check out my column

http://www.e-sports.com/article.asp?Article_Id=1221

Thanks

Alex Goff

 
 
 

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Post by colin tayl » Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> British Clubs are full of overseas players that's good for the foreigners,
> and fun for the fans, but is that the best thing for the future of the game
> in those countries?

> Please check out my column

> http://www.e-sports.com/article.asp?Article_Id=1221

> Thanks

> Alex Goff

Good article Alex. What i want to know though, is how much impact, playing
wise are the NZers having? While this may sound a touch jingoistic, how
does the rapidly slowing Zinzan compare to the others in the league? And
what about the likes of Howarth, Weedon, and the Bay of Plenty winger at
Saracens? Are there any young NZers over there standing out that may be
worth a go for the S12? How many English players would be the best in
their position in the League?

cheers
Colin.

 
 
 

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Post by John Willia » Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:00:00


Quote:



>> British Clubs are full of overseas players that's good for the foreigners,
>> and fun for the fans, but is that the best thing for the future of the game
>> in those countries?
>> Please check out my column

I did, and it put the pro side of the case pretty well regarding the
visiting players. I don't know if there are any obvious downsides for
the non-Brits, but the weather naturally needs to be taken into
consideration.

A couple of Canadians you missed are Dave Lougheed and Harry Toews at
Leicester.

You particularly mention "Western Samoa's Pat Lam, Canada's Gareth
Rees, New Zealand's Zinzan Brooke, and South Africa's Francois Pienaar
and Gary Pagel have made big waves on England's shores."

Certainly Lam has had a major impact at Newcastle, and probably will
add a lot to Northampton in time, but Rees didn't have a great season
at all last year in a troubled Wasps side, and has yet to make much
impact this season having been sidelined with concussion. Brooke
currently is off the pace for a losing Quins, and can hardly be said
to be a success to date.

Quote:
>Good article Alex. What i want to know though, is how much impact, playing
>wise are the NZers having? While this may sound a touch jingoistic, how
>does the rapidly slowing Zinzan compare to the others in the league? And
>what about the likes of Howarth, Weedon, and the Bay of Plenty winger at
>Saracens? Are there any young NZers over there standing out that may be
>worth a go for the S12?

The NZers in the top league are:

Leicester - Perry Freshwater, prop
Saracens - Brendan Daniel, wing
Gloucester - none?
Bath - Jon Preston (yet to arrive)
Wasps - Weedon, lock, club captain
London Irish - none?
Sale - Howarth, currently centre, captain?
Newcastle - Richard Arnold, flanker, Nesdale might count, ***
Richmond - none?
Northampton - none?
Bedford - none?
London Scottish - ?
Harlequins - Zinzan, player/coach.
West Hartlepool - Brewer, player/coach. Any one else Terry?

I might have missed one or two.

The players rated usual first team starters are Weedon, Howarth,
Arnold, Nesdale if he counts, Brooke and Brewer (though Brewer is
trying to cut back on outings I believe).

Quote:
>How many English players would be the best in their position in the League?

Sky television is running a ridiculous rating system for individual
players which someone might want to post. There have only been 4
competitive rounds so farthis season, so it's a bit early to say. At a
rough guess the best individuals are (keeping non-Poms strongly in
mind):

1 Grau or Pagel (nearest challenger possibly Rowntree).
2***erill probably best at the moment.
3 No outstanding non-Poms as far as I can remember. Maybe Paul Wallace
  (Ire).
4 No outstanding non-Poms.
5 Likewise.
6 Pat Lam by some way on last season's form.
7 No great non-Pom candidates I think.
8 Maybe Straeuli is in with a shout.
9 Possibly Pichot, but there are plenty of Pom candidates.

10 Erm. At least there are more Poms playing now, with Jones (LI),
   Yapp (English I assume, Bedford), Baxendell (Sale), Lewsey, King
   (Wasps, King sub) Mapletoft (Gloucester), Catt (Bath), Wilkinson
   (in theory, Newcastle) all England qualified and playing last
   Saturday. The form fly half this season is probably Stransky at the
   moment though.

11 Plenty of Poms, who is the best is open to question though.
12 Maybe Pat Howard. No outstanding Pom candidates with Greenwood
   still recovering from injury with 2nd team rugby.
13 Guscott.
14 No outstanding candidate.
15 Pini is doing pretty well I hear, but probably Stimpson or Catling
   are doing as well. Perry has just returned from injury.

All the best

John Williams.

 
 
 

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Post by Ben Cle » Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:00:00


<<stuff deleted>>

Quote:


>>What i want to know though, is how much impact, playing
>>wise are the NZers having? While this may sound a touch jingoistic, how
>>does the rapidly slowing Zinzan compare to the others in the league? And
>>what about the likes of Howarth, Weedon, and the Bay of Plenty winger at
>>Saracens? Are there any young NZers over there standing out that may be
>>worth a go for the S12?

>The NZers in the top league are:

This depends on whether you mean New Zealanders in a general sense
(including all those with some tie to New Zealand.)

Quote:
>Leicester - Perry Freshwater, prop
>Saracens - Brendan Daniel, wing
>Gloucester - none?

Simon Mannix

Quote:
>Bath - Jon Preston (yet to arrive)
>Wasps - Weedon, lock, club captain
>London Irish - none?

Jarrod Cunningham, Steve Bachop and Michael Howe (?).
Isaac Feaunati (number 8 joined them at the tail end of last year) I think
was NZ-based
.
I guess Kevin Putt also would be a mention.

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>Sale - Howarth, currently centre, captain?

I think I heard Yates was originally from NZ, but that could be wrong.

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>Newcastle - Richard Arnold, flanker, Nesdale might count, ***

And Tuigamala.

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>Richmond - none?

Steve Cotrell I think has retired this year, but he was playing for them
last year.

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>Northampton - none?

Lam and Jason Chandler.

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>Bedford - none?
>London Scottish - ?

I think they signed somebody from Canterbury, not sure who.

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>Harlequins - Zinzan, player/coach.

Jamie Williams, Schuster, and Vaughan Going (via Hong Kong).
(And their coaches include McCahill and Gallagher.)

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>West Hartlepool - Brewer, player/coach. Any one else Terry?

Steve Vile.

Tu Nu'ualiitia played in NZ.

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>I might have missed one or two.

Ditto.

Quote:
>>How many English players would be the best in their position in the League?
>10 Erm. At least there are more Poms playing now, with Jones (LI),
>   Yapp (English I assume, Bedford), Baxendell (Sale), Lewsey, King
>   (Wasps, King sub) Mapletoft (Gloucester), Catt (Bath), Wilkinson
>   (in theory, Newcastle) all England qualified and playing last
>   Saturday.

I heard Steve Vile was England qualified, possibly through residence.

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Post by Terry Fitzpatric » Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> West Hartlepool - Brewer, player/coach. Any one else Terry?

Since professionalism, Steven Vile, Russel Schraeder (sin-binned at w/e)
both Kiwis, Philippe Farner - a French Australian but who is playing for
Southland in the NPC (I think), Nu'ualitia - W. Samoan. And look at what
good it is currently doing us :-(
--
Regards

Terry

 
 
 

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Post by Terry Fitzpatric » Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> 10 Erm. At least there are more Poms playing now, with Jones (LI),
>    Yapp (English I assume, Bedford), Baxendell (Sale), Lewsey, King
>    (Wasps, King sub) Mapletoft (Gloucester), Catt (Bath), Wilkinson
>    (in theory, Newcastle) all England qualified and playing last
>    Saturday. The form fly half this season is probably Stransky at the
>    moment though.

Did you see anything of Stransky at the weekend, John. He had a shocker
- the sort of thing we thought only Mike catt was capable of :-)

Quote:
> 15 Pini is doing pretty well I hear, but probably Stimpson or Catling
>    are doing as well. Perry has just returned from injury.

Likewise Stimpson, though he only played badly, not shockingly badly.
All that and the Tigers still win though.
--
Regards

Terry

 
 
 

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Post by Ian Diddam » Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> I think I heard Yates was originally from NZ, but that could be wrong.

IIRC Ben, the "international" connection ,with Yates is for some reason
"Canada" but I dunno why (born there?).

He grew up in Calne, Wiltshire (where I live!!) and certainly attended
secondary school there.  He playeed (amongst others possibly) for
Chippenham RFC some time during his formative years.

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Post by Adrian Conn » Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:00:00



Quote:

>> I think I heard Yates was originally from NZ, but that could be wrong.

>IIRC Ben, the "international" connection ,with Yates is for some reason
>"Canada" but I dunno why (born there?).

>He grew up in Calne, Wiltshire (where I live!!) and certainly attended
>secondary school there.  He playeed (amongst others possibly) for
>Chippenham RFC some time during his formative years.

Yes, but I believe he was born in Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada.

Adrian

 
 
 

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Post by Ben Cle » Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:00:00


<<stuff deleted>>

Quote:
>> I think I heard Yates was originally from NZ, but that could be wrong.

>IIRC Ben, the "international" connection ,with Yates is for some reason
>"Canada" but I dunno why (born there?).

I think we may have our Yateses confused.

I thought Kevin Yates, the Bath prop, was the one with Canadian origins.
Chris  Yates, the Sale centre/winger, I think might have origins in New
Zealand, but I'm not certain.

      Cheers,

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Post by John Willia » Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:00:00

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:33:33 +0100, Terry Fitzpatrick

Quote:

>Did you see anything of Stransky at the weekend, John. He had a shocker
>- the sort of thing we thought only Mike catt was capable of :-)

Not yet. I'm counting on getting a tape pretty soon though. Incidently
I was in picture just to Barnes's left for the Saints game - my moment
of fame :-).

Quote:
>> 15 Pini is doing pretty well I hear, but probably Stimpson or Catling
>>    are doing as well. Perry has just returned from injury.
>Likewise Stimpson, though he only played badly, not shockingly badly.
>All that and the Tigers still win though.

All a bit worrying, but if they have to play a bad 'un, it helps if
they can still win. Heck, a poor Leicester performance last season was
losing by 20+.

I blame it on the ridiculous hype the media give the side that happens
to be top after 3 (for heaven's sake) games. According to Deano, Wells
and Stransky they were worried in the week beforehand that the team
weren't taking Bedford seriously enough.

All the best

John Williams.

 
 
 

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Post by <jkw.. » Thu, 01 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>British Clubs are full of overseas players that's good for the
foreigners,
>and fun for the fans, but is that the best thing for the future of the game
>in those countries?

>Please check out my column

If they take part in training other perhaps yes..
 
 
 

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Post by Andrew Forsyt » Fri, 02 Oct 1998 04:00:00

[...]

Quote:
> [...] but Rees didn't have a great season
>at all last year in a troubled Wasps side, and has yet to make much
>impact this season having been sidelined with concussion.

He (Rees) has damaged tendons (or similar *** injury) in his hand and will
be out for quite a while.