Clubs to withhold Eng. players from tour?

Clubs to withhold Eng. players from tour?

Post by Bryan M. Case » Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:00:00


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We are arguing the same point.  Pro-rugby in England has changed the
very nature of the sport, just as money has changed every other
previously 'amateur' sport.  It will create as many problems as it
solves.  An emerging problem *IS* an attraction to big games/ local
derbies of , errh, a different class of Club rugby fan.  Sadly, they are
bringing their soccer-style antics to the game.  But this is hardly
surprising if an Owner wants games to be played in soccer stadiums!.
How many professional soccer players and managers have had their lives
made a misery by a baying and baiting crowd, fuelled by what is
laughingly called Sports Journalism?.  Two seasons ago, the Rugby press
pretty much concentrated on the edifying aspects of the game.  Now, it
gets as many inches as any other scandal riddled sport; sacked coaches
and managers, boardroom power struggles, player boycotts, megalomaniac
owners et al.
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Clubs to withhold Eng. players from tour?

Post by Duncan Keen » Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> derbies of , errh, a different class of Club rugby fan.  Sadly, they
>are
> bringing their soccer-style antics to the game.  But this is hardly

What are you on? If club rugby wants to make money it needs real rugby
fans not posh tart's in sponsers seats. If 'soccer-style antics' mean
bigger crowds and better atmospheres I fail to understand the problem.
The supporters in question were the 'fez boys' at Saracens. I think they
travel to just about every game so they are hardly just turning out for
big games and derby matches. Do you think Rugby should be a game solely
for the higher classes?

Duncan Keene

 
 
 

Clubs to withhold Eng. players from tour?

Post by Ian Diddam » Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Rugby is for playing
> not watching.

Well, that's four in our little club (Peter, Angus, Rick & moi) I make
it!!

I do suggest we include stuff like coaching, line-marking, touch judging
etc under "Playing" Peter otherwise we're gonna lose Rick, Angus and
myself in a few years!!

:-)

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"There already is a hybrid code: SH union teams playing a poor, slow rl
to a mess of union laws that are mostly ignored any way so that at
least some play can take place." - John Hully, RSRU & RSRL, 16/12/97.

 
 
 

Clubs to withhold Eng. players from tour?

Post by Ian Diddam » Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> At the
> moment its like Man Utd playing Liverpool every week.  It doesn't
> happen in any other sport.

Football?  Especially in Scotland?

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Didds
"There already is a hybrid code: SH union teams playing a poor, slow rl
to a mess of union laws that are mostly ignored any way so that at
least some play can take place." - John Hully, RSRU & RSRL, 16/12/97.

 
 
 

Clubs to withhold Eng. players from tour?

Post by Booni » Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:00:00



Quote:

>> derbies of , errh, a different class of Club rugby fan.  Sadly, they
>>are
>> bringing their soccer-style antics to the game.  But this is hardly

>What are you on? If club rugby wants to make money it needs real rugby
>fans not posh tart's in sponsers seats. If 'soccer-style antics' mean
>bigger crowds and better atmospheres I fail to understand the problem.
>The supporters in question were the 'fez boys' at Saracens. I think they
>travel to just about every game so they are hardly just turning out for
>big games and derby matches. Do you think Rugby should be a game solely
>for the higher classes?

>Duncan Keene

Thank you Duncan.
We just felt that Bruno was taking his pieces of silver without recourse
to his club nor his playing colleagues throughout the land.

PS I can remember the 'Amateur' days, like,
the major clubs taking our better players (B. Clarke, J. Leonard et al)
and getting them employment etc, like,
when we got a player into a national side we wouldn't play him the week
before the national game.
In the one year of the Fez Boys we've had a few people who have moaned
at us (even an official complaint) but I can't count the number of
people who we've made smile, laugh even. Even some of our 'old farts'
congratulted us after our 'appearance' on Sky/Rugby Express for the
Tetley Bitter cup game against the Tigers.

PPS I've been to every game this year bar the away Euro matches at
Narbonne & Castres.

Boonie -
Darts,Beer,Saracens Fez Boys - The Official Sponsors of Tony Copsey.
                                ( 7/3/98 = 1 year of the Fez Boys)

 
 
 

Clubs to withhold Eng. players from tour?

Post by Bryan M. Case » Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Thank you Duncan.
> We just felt that Bruno was taking his pieces of silver without recourse
> to his club nor his playing colleagues throughout the land.

There is a difference between a FezBoy [bona fide rugby-fan, but with a
funny hat] and some of the mob that are showing up at [sunday] games
these days.  By class, I do not mean social class.  By class, I mean
standards of behaviour in public.  Some of the games I saw in London
either side of Christmas reminded you of what happened to [sunday]
cricket 15 or so years ago.

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Clubs to withhold Eng. players from tour?

Post by Lisa Smit » Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:00:00

I understand Dallaglio didn't play last night ... I'd have been interseted
to know what reaction he would have got from the Shed:-)

Lisa

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Post by Lisa Smit » Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Before somebody else says it - I'd have even been *interested*:-)
Lisa
--
"Oh when the Saints......."



Quote:

> I understand Dallaglio didn't play last night ... I'd have been
interseted
> to know what reaction he would have got from the Shed:-)

> Lisa
> > --
> "Oh when the Saints......."

 
 
 

Clubs to withhold Eng. players from tour?

Post by Booni » Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
>crop would remain at Saracens if Nigel Wray pulled out his millions? You're
>talking here about fans of a club which has moved to an entirely different
>area in the search for more money.

Er...just re-read this bit.
The move was initiated because Enfield council couldn't agree with Nigel
Wray, on at least two occasions, about building New facilities for world
class rugby within the borough.
Nigel could only invest in the club because we, the members, voted for
him to do so.
How many other owners sit out in the Green stand (in the open) with the
rest of the away fans at Richmond?
Oh, and why is it the Green stand when it is actually red?

Boonie -
Darts,Beer,Saracens Fez Boys - The Official Sponsors of Tony Copsey.
                                ( 7/3/98 = 1 year of the Fez Boys)