County and Divisional Championships

County and Divisional Championships

Post by Danny Richardso » Thu, 12 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Does anyone know what's happened (or going to happen) to the county and
divisional championships in this new era of professional rugby ? It seems
to me that the other major rugby playing nations have some kind of step
between club and international rugby - is England going to keep theirs ?

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County and Divisional Championships

Post by Ian Didda » Fri, 13 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Does anyone know what's happened (or going to happen) to the county and
>divisional championships in this new era of professional rugby ? It seems
>to me that the other major rugby playing nations have some kind of step
>between club and international rugby - is England going to keep theirs ?

From what I dimply recall (and I'm sure I will be corrected if
wrong!!:-), the divisional championship is no more, whilst the County
Championship continues, but is very much a second-class competition
these days with few (any?) of the "top" players becoming involved.

Didds.
Devizes RFC.
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County and Divisional Championships

Post by Danny Richardso » Fri, 13 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> >Does anyone know what's happened (or going to happen) to the county and
> >divisional championships in this new era of professional rugby ? It seems
> >to me that the other major rugby playing nations have some kind of step
> >between club and international rugby - is England going to keep theirs ?

> From what I dimply recall (and I'm sure I will be corrected if
> wrong!!:-), the divisional championship is no more, whilst the County
> Championship continues, but is very much a second-class competition
> these days with few (any?) of the "top" players becoming involved.

Thanks, that's what I suspected. So what we're saying here is that players will go
from club to international without any kind of middle-ground. I'm not convinced
this is a good thing - given the success of the Super 12 in the southern
hemisphere. Then again, imagine what a mess England would be in if we had another
corporation in the equation :-)

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Danny

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County and Divisional Championships

Post by Ian Didda » Sat, 14 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> [snip]
>Thanks, that's what I suspected. So what we're saying here is that players will go
>from club to international without any kind of middle-ground. I'm not convinced
>this is a good thing - given the success of the Super 12 in the southern
>hemisphere. Then again, imagine what a mess England would be in if we had another
>corporation in the equation :-)

I must say that until recently I totally shared Danny's viewpoint ref.
provincial teams being a step between club and country.  However,
believe it or not, reading opinions here (and also in the press) has
led me to change my mind.

The SH has a tradition of provincial competition, and as such the
pyramid of ability is set up already and works.  However, NH rugby is
far more club based (to the extent that possibly Bath & Swansea to
name just two clubs would beat some NZ provinces - certainly the third
div. ones), and we have seen in England that divisional rugby never
really acheived what it was set out to do, and ended up being
virtually a second class competition anyway with the top players
avoiding it.  Consequently I now do accept that the clubs are the way
forward for English rugby, but that the club competition structure
possibly needs some looking at.  The advent (at last!) of a European
competition is to be welcomed (although it was welcomed everwhere bar
England originaly, oh what a ***y surprise), as is the Anglo-Welsh
league...  but the former is only a cup competition, while the other
seems already doomed to being a reserves competition.  Whatever the
solutions are to be, administrators must also bear in mind that
players, professional or not, are only human and are incapable
generally of playing 60 games a year at the top level, whilst
supporters and sponsors will soon tire of watching competitions that
don't regularly feature the top names.

Didds.
Devizes RFC.
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County and Divisional Championships

Post by John Morg » Sat, 14 Sep 1996 04:00:00

[snip]

Quote:
>..............................The advent (at last!) of a European
>competition is to be welcomed (although it was welcomed everwhere bar
>England originaly, oh what a ***y surprise), as is the Anglo-Welsh
>league...  but the former is only a cup competition, while the other
>seems already doomed to being a reserves competition.  Whatever the
>solutions are to be, administrators must also bear in mind that
>players, professional or not, are only human and are incapable
>generally of playing 60 games a year at the top level, whilst
>supporters and sponsors will soon tire of watching competitions that
>don't regularly feature the top names.

I agree with everything you say. Can I have your babies? Er, no, I
take that back. I've said for a long time now (hi Gerald!) that an
Anglo-Welsh league was needed to improve the standards of rugby in
both England and Wales. But I envisaged the A-W league being the
*** competition for the clubs, not, as you say, the kind of
glorified reserves competition it's turning out to be.

But it ought to be persevered with, because that's where the future
of club rugby in England and Wales lies, IMO. We're much too
parochial. It's a nonsense that clubs of the calibre of Cardiff,
Pontypridd, Leicester and Bath (for instance) don't play each other
regularly and in meaningful competitions. The European Cup is a
start, but it is only a cup competition.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, make the A-W league THE
club competition to be in, with promotion/relegation from the
feeder national leagues. Indeed, I'd go further and include the
top Scottish and Irish clubs/provinces too, to make a truly
national league. It's ironic that while in RL they are desperately
searching around for suitable regions/cities to expand the
Superleague into and failing to find them; we in RU already have
more than enough suitable clubs, in England, Wales, Scotland and
Ireland to create a more viable and lasting alternative. Why don't
we use them?

Cheers,

John