Vodacom Cup - early observations

Vodacom Cup - early observations

Post by Henri Burge » Wed, 04 Mar 1998 04:00:00


After the first two rounds of the Vodacom Cup (for players not involved in
S12), 3 interesting results emerged:

WP loosing to Griquas,
Blue Bulls loosing to Mpumalanga,
Gauteng Lions loosing to N Freestate.

In all 3 a 'major' union lost against a 'minor' one. In case of the last
two, a 'daughter' union managed a win over a 'mother' union (in terms of
S12).

One's first reaction is to say that the S12 drained the best players, so the
'major' unions are left with a much depleted player base, whilst the 'minor'
unions are to a large extend unaffected, and therefore operate more as
units. This, of course is a reflection on player depth in the 'major'
unions. It should also be kept in mind that in all 3 cases players who are
contracted to S12 teams, but not involved in the actual S12 team, were
playing for the 'major' unions (Wiese, Swart and McDonald for GL).

Could it then be that players from the 'minor' unions have to perform better
than those from the 'major' ones to stand a chance of being contracted to a
S12 team?

Regards

Henri Burger, Tzaneen. RSA
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Vodacom Cup - early observations

Post by Jacques Visse » Thu, 05 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>Could it then be that players from the 'minor' unions have to perform
better
>than those from the 'major' ones to stand a chance of being contracted to a
>S12 team?

I watched a 'depleted' WP trounce a 'depleted' Boland. Both sides had lost
players to the S12, with both making up the Stormers.I somehow do  not think
the coaches e.g. Harry V, will only look at WP for players but also Boland,
the whole aim is to keep players not involved in a S12 match, involved and
match fit. The whole Vodacom Cup is a tremendous boost for the non S12
players, how else will they ever be noticed, the Currie Cup is still
way-off.

Griquas did beat WP, lost less players, specially amongst the forwards, but
still no excuse for WP, their forwards, pulled it together, to boost their
performance against Boland, got the necessary results!

Cheers

    Jac

 
 
 

Vodacom Cup - early observations

Post by Graham Dunsta » Thu, 05 Mar 1998 04:00:00

I think its more a case of outa sight - outa mind. If you don't play for a
major union it is very difficult to be seen. Hopefully the performance of
the minor unions in the Vodacom cup will correct this.

PS Natal don't seem to be suffering from the same problem though.
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Quote:
> After the first two rounds of the Vodacom Cup (for players not involved
in
> S12), 3 interesting results emerged:

> WP loosing to Griquas,
> Blue Bulls loosing to Mpumalanga,
> Gauteng Lions loosing to N Freestate.

> In all 3 a 'major' union lost against a 'minor' one. In case of the last
> two, a 'daughter' union managed a win over a 'mother' union (in terms of
> S12).

> One's first reaction is to say that the S12 drained the best players, so
the
> 'major' unions are left with a much depleted player base, whilst the
'minor'
> unions are to a large extend unaffected, and therefore operate more as
> units. This, of course is a reflection on player depth in the 'major'
> unions. It should also be kept in mind that in all 3 cases players who
are
> contracted to S12 teams, but not involved in the actual S12 team, were
> playing for the 'major' unions (Wiese, Swart and McDonald for GL).

> Could it then be that players from the 'minor' unions have to perform
better
> than those from the 'major' ones to stand a chance of being contracted to
a
> S12 team?

> Regards

> Henri Burger, Tzaneen. RSA
> 'Afrika is Nie vir Sissies Nie!'
> (e-mail: remove 'sukikaki.')

> --

> Henri Burger, Tzaneen. RSA
> 'Afrika is Nie vir Sissies Nie!'
> (e-mail: remove 'sukikaki.')


 
 
 

Vodacom Cup - early observations

Post by GRANT BAUD » Thu, 05 Mar 1998 04:00:00

: I think its more a case of outa sight - outa mind. If you don't play for a
: major union it is very difficult to be seen. Hopefully the performance of
: the minor unions in the Vodacom cup will correct this.
:
: PS Natal don't seem to be suffering from the same problem though.
: Gooooooo Sharks
: --

Actually they are called the Wildebeest for this comp. but I get your drift!

______________________________________________________________________________

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Vodacom Cup - early observations

Post by Graham Dunsta » Thu, 05 Mar 1998 04:00:00

<snip>

Quote:
> Actually they are called the Wildebeest for this comp. but I get your
drift!

> ______

<snip>

I stand corrected.
It comes from living in the "Gansters Paradise" and losing touch with ones
roots.
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Vodacom Cup - early observations

Post by Henri Burge » Thu, 05 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>I watched a 'depleted' WP trounce a 'depleted' Boland.

I remember WP playing Griquas and Border in the Vodacom Cup. When did they
play Boland, Jacques?

Regards

Henri Burger, Tzaneen. RSA
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Vodacom Cup - early observations

Post by David Flewell » Thu, 05 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>I think its more a case of outa sight - outa mind. If you don't play for a
>major union it is very difficult to be seen. Hopefully the performance of
>the minor unions in the Vodacom cup will correct this.

One of the hidden strengths of the Vodacom cup is that is will allow the
bottom 6 provinces from last year's Currie Cup the chance to get used to
playing as a unit and get used to being competitive. Northern Free State
were getting solidly whumped by everyone last September/October, but now
they have a chance of becoming a more competitive side. Mpumalange
Pumas, similarly, have a great opportunity to build on their promising
form from the end of last season.

For the biggest unions, the opportunity to expose fresh talent to senior
provincial rugby is a major boost. There are plenty of players good
enough to play senior provincial rugby, but only so many first team
places available during the Currie Cup season. WP and Natal stand to
gain most from the Vodacom Cup.

Quote:
>PS Natal don't seem to be suffering from the same problem though.

I wasn't mega-impressed with their performance against the Blue Bulls.
They were basically less incompetent than their opponent. But hey, for
the biggest sides the Vodacom Cup is all about squad depth and
opportunities. It looks to me like the "Eastern" group of seven teams
seems to be the easier group to play in: no WP, Free State, Griquas or
Boland, and only semi-serious opposition from Gauteng Lions and the Blue
Bulls - neither of which has won a game yet.

As for the Coastal Sharks - I sure felt strange supporting them against
the Auckland Blues... regionalism seems to dilute provincial loyalties
and/or pet hates. :)
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Vodacom Cup - early observations

Post by Jacques Visse » Fri, 06 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>I remember WP playing Griquas and Border in the Vodacom Cup. When did they
>play Boland, Jacques?

Sorry, got my knickers in a knot ! It was Border!

Cheers

    Jac