New Zealand Selection Problems for later in the year/next year

New Zealand Selection Problems for later in the year/next year

Post by Gareth Robinso » Wed, 02 Jul 1997 04:00:00


Here is a problems that could happen later in the year or next year

Wingers.

There are 4 top quality wingers in New Zealand, with 2 playing in the
All Blacks (Tana Umaga & Jeff Wilson), 1 not playing for health problems
(Jonah Lomu) & 1 coming eligable next year (Joelli Vindiri).

Who would you drop?

 
 
 

New Zealand Selection Problems for later in the year/next year

Post by Rodger Donalds » Wed, 02 Jul 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>Here is a problems that could happen later in the year or next year

>Wingers.

Wingers are always a problem.

Quote:
>There are 4 top quality wingers in New Zealand, with 2 playing in the
>All Blacks (Tana Umaga & Jeff Wilson), 1 not playing for health problems
>(Jonah Lomu) & 1 coming eligable next year (Joelli Vindiri).

>Who would you drop?

I wouldn't.  Bear in mind that as rugby becomes more and more demanding in
the professional era, you simply will not be able to rely on all your
players being fit and uninjured all the time.  It's entirely possible that
Wilson or Umanga might be injured in a few months time, for example.

--
Rodger Donaldson


 
 
 

New Zealand Selection Problems for later in the year/next year

Post by Nadge » Wed, 02 Jul 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Here is a problems that could happen later in the year or next year

> Wingers.

> There are 4 top quality wingers in New Zealand, with 2 playing in the
> All Blacks (Tana Umaga & Jeff Wilson), 1 not playing for health problems
> (Jonah Lomu) & 1 coming eligable next year (Joelli Vindiri).

> Who would you drop?

The props forwards.

They are an irrelevance today in what is a OPEN RUNNING FESTIVAL of
rugby.

Olo Brown should lose foty kilos and learn to run fast, or be replaced
by Vindiri.  Same with Ian Jones - too slow for Super 12 and Tri-Series;
if he can't run in a couple of tries a game he should be dropped for
"Super" Jonah.

Nadger.

 
 
 

New Zealand Selection Problems for later in the year/next year

Post by Tony Elso » Thu, 03 Jul 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Here is a problems that could happen later in the year or next year

> Wingers.

> There are 4 top quality wingers in New Zealand, with 2 playing in the
> All Blacks (Tana Umaga & Jeff Wilson), 1 not playing for health problems
> (Jonah Lomu) & 1 coming eligable next year (Joelli Vindiri).

> Who would you drop?

Vidiri.  Osborne is a winger too.  Lomu/Umaga get the left wing
depending on form.
 
 
 

New Zealand Selection Problems for later in the year/next year

Post by Scott Lem » Thu, 03 Jul 1997 04:00:00

: Here is a problems that could happen later in the year or next year
:
: Wingers.
:
: There are 4 top quality wingers in New Zealand, with 2 playing in the
: All Blacks (Tana Umaga & Jeff Wilson), 1 not playing for health problems
: (Jonah Lomu) & 1 coming eligable next year (Joelli Vindiri).

I would have Lomu and Wilson as the two wings. Umaga to centre to replace
Bunce, if he proves he can perform against the Wallabies and Springboks.
I don't think Vidiri is as good as Wilson or Lomu.

Scott

 
 
 

New Zealand Selection Problems for later in the year/next year

Post by Marty Favil » Thu, 03 Jul 1997 04:00:00


Quote:


> : Here is a problems that could happen later in the year or next year
> :
> : Wingers.
> :
> : There are 4 top quality wingers in New Zealand, with 2 playing in the
> : All Blacks (Tana Umaga & Jeff Wilson), 1 not playing for health problems
> : (Jonah Lomu) & 1 coming eligable next year (Joelli Vindiri).

> I would have Lomu and Wilson as the two wings. Umaga to centre to replace
> Bunce, if he proves he can perform against the Wallabies and Springboks.
> I don't think Vidiri is as good as Wilson or Lomu.

Why are all you people dead set on shunting people around, out of
position?  Umaga is a superb wing.  Last season he was a poor fullback.
What makes you think he has the skills required of an international
centre?  Ieremia, Clarke, Matson and even Scott McLeod are all lined up to
replace Bunce at centre.  And at the risk of sounding hypocritical, I
think Mark Meyerhoffler is also more suited to centre than 2nd five.

Having a surplus of good wingers should be looked upon as a blessing, not
an excuse to 'do a Mains'.

Marty.

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New Zealand Selection Problems for later in the year/next year

Post by Tony Elso » Thu, 03 Jul 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Having a surplus of good wingers should be looked upon as a blessing, not
> an excuse to 'do a Mains'.

> Marty.

Settle down Marty.  You can't slag off an Otago man like that.  Not when
I'm watching.
 
 
 

New Zealand Selection Problems for later in the year/next year

Post by Scott Lem » Fri, 04 Jul 1997 04:00:00


:

: > : Here is a problems that could happen later in the year or next year
: > :
: > : Wingers.
: > :
: > : There are 4 top quality wingers in New Zealand, with 2 playing in the
: > : All Blacks (Tana Umaga & Jeff Wilson), 1 not playing for health problems
: > : (Jonah Lomu) & 1 coming eligable next year (Joelli Vindiri).
: >
: > I would have Lomu and Wilson as the two wings. Umaga to centre to replace
: > Bunce, if he proves he can perform against the Wallabies and Springboks.
: > I don't think Vidiri is as good as Wilson or Lomu.
:
: Why are all you people dead set on shunting people around, out of
: position?  Umaga is a superb wing.  Last season he was a poor fullback.

Sure he is a superb wing, but is he as good as Lomu? Maybe, probably not
though.

: What makes you think he has the skills required of an international
: centre?  Ieremia, Clarke, Matson and even Scott McLeod are all lined up to
: replace Bunce at centre.

None of these guys are putting a foot forward and saying "pick me", for
gods sake a 35 year old guy is keeping them out! (Not that I think
Frank is a bad player, it's just that he won't be around in a couple
of years)

Ieremia and McLeod haven't really stood out (although McLeod played well
when he came on in the 2nd test). Clarke has been the most consistent yet they
won't pick him. Matson is useless.

 And at the risk of sounding hypocritical, I
: think Mark Meyerhoffler is also more suited to centre than 2nd five.
:
: Having a surplus of good wingers should be looked upon as a blessing, not
: an excuse to 'do a Mains'.

I only suggested one change, Umaga to replace Bunce. Moving a player is
not necessarily a bad thing, Osborne shifts between wing and fullback
OK, so does Wilson, Lomu's conversion from flanker to winger was pretty
successful. What *is* a bad thing is too much of it.

Scott
: Marty.
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New Zealand Selection Problems for later in the year/next year

Post by John Bicke » Fri, 04 Jul 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> I would have Lomu and Wilson as the two wings. Umaga to centre to replace
> Bunce, if he proves he can perform against the Wallabies and Springboks.
> I don't think Vidiri is as good as Wilson or Lomu.

    I think that defensively Vidiri is a bit better than Lomu.
 
 
 

New Zealand Selection Problems for later in the year/next year

Post by Euan Kilgo » Wed, 09 Jul 1997 04:00:00


Quote:



> > I would have Lomu and Wilson as the two wings. Umaga to centre to replace
> > Bunce, if he proves he can perform against the Wallabies and Springboks.
> > I don't think Vidiri is as good as Wilson or Lomu.

Umaga would be wasted in the centres.  He needs the room to gather speed,
and is an excellent finisher.  I doubt he has the passing skills nor the
vision necessary to play centre at that level.

Quote:
>     I think that defensively Vidiri is a bit better than Lomu.

That is debatable.  I watched the Gauteng and Natal games in this years
S12,  and the flyhalves in both teams were picking Vidiri out for the high
balls and down field clearance kicks,  to put him under pressure,  with
worked on a number of occaisions,  just that they couldn't capitalise on
his errors when they came.

I say play Wilson and Umaga,  and use Lomu as an impact player/tactical
substitute.

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