''A different question on England vs All Blacks

''A different question on England vs All Blacks

Post by Steve Bate » Tue, 28 Sep 1999 04:00:00


If both teams play to the best of their ability who do you think will win?
The reason I pose this question is that look at the recent couple of times
the two sides have met. In NZ England were woeful due to the politics of
English rugby, in my mind you cant compare using this tour.

The time before that NZ had just had a huge year of rugby and our players
had been playing top level rugby for 10-11 months and were by all accounts
very flat.

Before that the world cup which to be fair to the poms was some years ago
(still a ***y good game tho :-)   ).

Looking at the recent past there hasnt been a test played where the two
sides have been on a level playing field so how can we compare? Thats whats
so good about this WC, both sides have had ample chance to prepare and both
sides have looked reasonably good doing so.

So who will win? I really do think that the AB's should win, man on man they
have the firepower, the previous debate on how many poms would make the AB's
is valid in that it would be a few at best. And I'm not being arrogant about
it as I look at other teams and say players I believe would be in the AB
side for example I thing Greegan would be a shoe in as would Eales as would
Skinstaad if he manages to get his form back but England??

Maybe Guscott, maybe Johnson, but lets be honest noone else would really
threaten. The way in which England may still prove me wrong is that Clive
Woodward for all his histrionics does have a good tactical mind and while I
used to think Hart did as well I am now undecided. I hope he has been
holding back for the WC as does everyone but Aus seem to be able to outthink
us at will so Im not too sure.

Go the Blacks

 
 
 

''A different question on England vs All Blacks

Post by Gareth C Jone » Tue, 28 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
> If both teams play to the best of their ability who do you think will win?
> The reason I pose this question is that look at the recent couple of times
> the two sides have met. In NZ England were woeful due to the politics of
> English rugby, in my mind you cant compare using this tour.

> The time before that NZ had just had a huge year of rugby and our players
> had been playing top level rugby for 10-11 months and were by all accounts
> very flat.

> Before that the world cup which to be fair to the poms was some years ago
> (still a ***y good game tho :-)   ).

> Looking at the recent past there hasnt been a test played where the two
> sides have been on a level playing field so how can we compare? Thats
whats
> so good about this WC, both sides have had ample chance to prepare and
both
> sides have looked reasonably good doing so.

> So who will win? I really do think that the AB's should win, man on man
they
> have the firepower, the previous debate on how many poms would make the
AB's
> is valid in that it would be a few at best. And I'm not being arrogant
about
> it as I look at other teams and say players I believe would be in the AB
> side for example I thing Greegan would be a shoe in as would Eales as
would
> Skinstaad if he manages to get his form back but England??

> Maybe Guscott, maybe Johnson, but lets be honest noone else would really
> threaten. The way in which England may still prove me wrong is that Clive
> Woodward for all his histrionics does have a good tactical mind and while
I
> used to think Hart did as well I am now undecided. I hope he has been
> holding back for the WC as does everyone but Aus seem to be able to
outthink
> us at will so Im not too sure.

I think the ABs will win but Dallaglio is a better player than Randall -
full stop. New Zealand are being tipped because their back 3 is so much
better than the competition but in the Tri-Nations they didn't use them very
effectively. If they can let Umaga, Cullen and Wilson loose then other sides
may struggle.
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Cheers Drive!

Gareth