All Black Midfield (2)

All Black Midfield (2)

Post by Mannix McCahil » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00


The All Black midfield lacks any flair whatsoever.

Little sems to still be struggling, while Mayerhofler looks out of his
depth at this level.

Anyone south of the Bombay hills likes Lee Stensness about as much as
they like Mark Carter, but his super 12 form had him at the top of my
2nd five list. Carlos looks an interesting option there too (and no, I'm
not a Blues supporter!)

Centre is a problem area - I'd like to see Norm Berryman given a go.
Alatini and Laupepe (eligible?) both look good too, but how about Cullen
with superboot Cashmore at fullback? He played there for the Vikings,
and his tackling this tri-series has been as devastating head on as
Ieremia's or Bunce's is.

Anyone at Coyote's in Christchurch on Saturday night can be excused for
thinking the All Black's had won. The likes of Carter, Oliver, Spencer
and others were in fine form (none up there with Richard Turner though).
It seems the beer on the side of the boys is Steinlager, but the beer of
choice for Spencer and Cullen is Corona.

Bring on the changes!

 
 
 

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Post by PJ » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>The All Black midfield lacks any flair whatsoever.

>Little sems to still be struggling, while Mayerhofler looks out of his
>depth at this level.

Try this -

Mayerhofler to 2nd 5 - that's where his flair is

Berryman at centre til Alama Iremia is fit again

AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT -

Put Randall on the side at #6. He just doesn't have the bulk "impact" at 8
but he's a damn good player and will be a great captain

Lomu as #8   with Maka as "impact" backup.

Vidiri on wing where Lomu was.

No-one can convince me that Justin Marshall has got over that tendon
problem. Physically he may have but the pyschological bit takes a helluva
lot longer - ask anyone who has had this injury misfortune.

Give Junior To'onu a go full time with reserve halfback Jon Preston.   Let
Justin get his confidence back in the NPC as a reserve "impact" player for
the red and blacks.

Keep John Hart and his management team - they are human.

That's my 5 cents worth

 
 
 

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Post by Adam P. R. Taylo » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> The All Black midfield lacks any flair whatsoever.

Something is wrong there, and I am not too sure what it is.

Quote:
> Little sems to still be struggling, while Mayerhofler looks out of his
> depth at this level.

Many a Cantab supporter will point out that Mayerhoffler is
a 2nd5, and not a centre.
That he is playing out of position is not helping the issue.

Quote:
> Anyone south of the Bombay hills likes Lee Stensness about as much as
> they like Mark Carter, but his super 12 form had him at the top of my
> 2nd five list. Carlos looks an interesting option there too (and no, I'm
> not a Blues supporter!)

Some would point out the lack of options and predictibility
of Stensness play, always trying to crash it through, or a
weakly lobbed pass or very bad dummy.
Given yesterdays play, such attributes may makle him fit in well.
I agree with the thoughts of Carlos Spencer at 2nd5, but....

Quote:
> Centre is a problem area - I'd like to see Norm Berryman given a go.
> Alatini and Laupepe (eligible?) both look good too, but how about Cullen
> with superboot Cashmore at fullback? He played there for the Vikings,
> and his tackling this tri-series has been as devastating head on as
> Ieremia's or Bunce's is.

Cullen was tried at Centre, true, but found lacking.
I beleive he, like Lomu, need a few yards to get into
things (one of the reasons that Lomu feeding the scrum a
nd the following (predictable) burst up the side was
doomed to failure.)
Keep Cullen in the 15 jersey.

--
----------------------------------------------------
Adam P. R. Taylor
Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering
University of Canterbury
Private Bag 4800
Christchurch
NEW ZEALAND



 
 
 

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Post by Nozz » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>Mayerhofler to 2nd 5 - that's where his flair is

agreed!

Quote:
>Put Randall on the side at #6. He just doesn't have the bulk "impact" at 8
>but he's a damn good player and will be a great captain

>Lomu as #8   with Maka as "impact" backup.

Maka as starting no. 8 maybe? I think Lomu is wasted at the moment. It
is obvious that he is no use playing as a forward (as Hart is trying
to do for some unfathomable reason). The first time Lomu got the ball
at pace on the wing he ran right around Roff. He can do it every time
as well. The solution for that is simple. Keep him on the wing, give
him the damn ball there.

Quote:
>Vidiri on wing where Lomu was.

Vidiri is too susceptible with the ball behind him, the Wallabies
proved this at the MCG.

Quote:
>No-one can convince me that Justin Marshall has got over that tendon
>problem. Physically he may have but the pyschological bit takes a helluva
>lot longer - ask anyone who has had this injury misfortune.

Agreed, Marshall has been rushed back way too soon. I still think he
is the best half in the world - when in form of course.

Quote:
>Keep John Hart and his management team - they are human.

I think getting rid of John Hart now would be way too rash.

Nozza

 
 
 

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Post by Brett D. Lennan » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Try Lomu at Centre.
 
 
 

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Post by Adam P. R. Taylo » Tue, 04 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Try Lomu at Centre.

Yeah, I mentioned this in a post several weeks ago,
and either there were no followups or I missed them.

I think his fullfrontal bodytackiling would be an aset
at centre, but I still query his defence when having to
move, (see how the Ozzie locked stepped around him?) and
of course there is his weakness when the ball is chipped
over his head. Cullen has enough to worry about, without
shoring up shaky midfiled defense.
Also, I beleive that Lomu needs space to wind up, and I
doubt he would get that at Centre. If one is to convert
wingers to centre, Berryman is one who I think has the
altter ability.

--
----------------------------------------------------
Adam P. R. Taylor
Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering
University of Canterbury
Private Bag 4800
Christchurch
NEW ZEALAND


 
 
 

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Post by Ferd » Tue, 04 Aug 1998 04:00:00

On Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:56:10 +1000, "Brett D. Lennane"

<<>Try Lomu at Centre.>>

Hell, he has been tried at scrum half and lock allready...

Why not give him a go on prop?

 
 
 

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Post by John Cawsto » Wed, 05 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> On Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:56:10 +1000, "Brett D. Lennane"

> <<>Try Lomu at Centre.>>

> Hell, he has been tried at scrum half and lock allready...

> Why not give him a go on prop?

Hell, we tried that.But Oliver's little legs couldnt reach the
ground.

But he was a hell of a good *** when the ball was thrown in
waist high.

JC

 
 
 

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Post by stra » Wed, 05 Aug 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>> Centre is a problem area - I'd like to see Norm Berryman given a go.
>> Alatini and Laupepe (eligible?) both look good too, but how about Cullen
>> with superboot Cashmore at fullback? He played there for the Vikings,
>> and his tackling this tri-series has been as devastating head on as
>> Ieremia's or Bunce's is.

>Cullen was tried at Centre, true, but found lacking.

Well, I disagree that he was found lacking - playing centre for the Vikings is
hardly a good indicator. He certainly can tackle like a good centre. But the
thing is - is Cashmore going to break every first tackle ?? Can anyone else
play with Cullen's flair at fullback ?? No. He is the best fullback in the
world - without doubt - so playing him out of position will just***that
up (ask Mayerhofler).
 
 
 

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Post by Tony Elso » Thu, 06 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> with Cullen's flair at fullback ?? No. He is the best fullback in the
> world - without doubt - so playing him out of position will just***that
> up (ask Mayerhofler).

I would dispute that.  Burke and Larkam are very good.  And I rate Wilson at FB better than Cullen actually.  More tactical
nouse.
--

Tony Elson
__________________________________________________
I dreamt of being a geographer, but I found the
subject too complex.  So I switched to physics

A. Einstein

 
 
 

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Post by Lois Y » Thu, 06 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> On Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:56:10 +1000, "Brett D. Lennane"

> <<>Try Lomu at Centre.>>

> Hell, he has been tried at scrum half and lock allready...

> Why not give him a go on prop?

What was that I saw on Rugby News about someone suggesting Lomu at #8 &
Randall at flank & then a bunch of denials that it was considered?
Seems they want him somewhere.
 
 
 

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Post by Mees Roelo » Fri, 07 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>> <<>Try Lomu at Centre.>>

>> Hell, he has been tried at scrum half and lock allready...

>> Why not give him a go on prop?

>What was that I saw on Rugby News about someone suggesting Lomu at #8 &
>Randall at flank & then a bunch of denials that it was considered?
>Seems they want him somewhere.

Obviously they think Lomu can solve problems at about any position.
And we all know the AB midfield is the place where they have much to
work out.

So it's up for Jonah to move there. I think it won't work out and
probably Hart will keep him at wing.

Cheers,

Mees Roelofs
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