England's Back Row (was Re: England vs NZ Baabaas)

England's Back Row (was Re: England vs NZ Baabaas)

Post by Paul Cummings, Systems Manage » Tue, 10 Dec 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>as did

>John Williams (>>)

>>>Rodber was effective in the lineout, but still looks a shadow of the player
>>>in the first SA England test 1994.

>>Waste of space, waste of space.  This man is masquerading as a rugby player.

>possibly...  but he was still sharper than Daliglio, and assuming that
>wholesale changes aren't going to happen then Rodber gets to stay...
>a genuine openside needs picking though.

What I don't like about Rodber is he seems brainless, drops the ball a lot,
tackles like a jessie and falls flat on his arse as soon as a blade of grass
gets in his way.

That's the cold side, which we are seeing far too often at international level.
He can be a real brute of a tackler, rampaging crash runner and dominating
lineout ball winner.  But he just does it too little.

For me, Dallaglio has far better hands and speed.  He gets involved in the game
more.  All he seems to lose to Rodber is a couple of inches in the lineout.
But Dallaglio is being messed about and won't produce his best until he is at 6
or 8.  Rather like Ben Clarke.

Quote:
>>Sums it up for me.  Skinner or Teague would have ripped Allen's fingers off
>>somewhere around the elbow.  Even Clarke would not have been such a patsy, but
>>Rodber seems to be playing like a girl (ever since that sending off in SA?).

>There are stories doing the rounds about Rodber's attitude around that
>time, and the attitude that his (Army) superiors took.  Threats of the
>South Atlantic being a long way from international rugby....

So you agree he's played like a jessie since then?

Quote:
>>Bring in Hill and switch Dallaglio to the proper side?

>Rodber stays in front of Dalaglio IMO.  Can see the point of swapping
>Rodber and Sheasby, as suggested by another poster.

No.  Never.  The thing I like about Sheasby most is his decision making.  He is
giving the English back row some intelligence for the first time in years.  He
doesn't just pick the ball up and charge at every scrum.  He actually thinks
about it.  I wasn't in favour of Sheasby, and I can't stand him personally, but
I'd keep him in the team at the moment to give that intelligence to the pack,
which has been sadly missing from England for years.

Rodber is playing with all of Ben Clarke's worst vices, but none of his
strengths.  A total disaster to have your number eight brain dead with wobbly
hands.

Quote:
>> Adebayo is improving (and this from  someone who didn't
>>want him in the team).

>But has a limited tenure IMO.  Unless he proves to be completely
>unstoppable, despite his lack of pace (unlikely), he'll be deposed by
>someone that is quicker.  Look at Hunter..  similar player, that did
>nothing wrong, but eventually got dropped for a faster runner.

Hunter's problems were as much injuries as anything.  He just wasn't there
enough to get a regular spot.  If he played one game, you knew you'd have to
rest him the next.  Cooke eventually got fed up with this.  This is known as
Pears' Disease.

Have fun,

Paul


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England's Back Row (was Re: England vs NZ Baabaas)

Post by Ian Didda » Thu, 12 Dec 1996 04:00:00

[re :Rodber]

Quote:
>>possibly...  but he was still sharper than Daliglio, and assuming that
>>wholesale changes aren't going to happen then Rodber gets to stay...
>>a genuine openside needs picking though.
>What I don't like about Rodber is he seems brainless, drops the ball a lot,
>tackles like a jessie and falls flat on his arse as soon as a blade of grass
>gets in his way.

Sounds like Clarke!!

Quote:
>That's the cold side, which we are seeing far too often at international level.
>He can be a real brute of a tackler, rampaging crash runner and dominating
>lineout ball winner.  But he just does it too little.

Hasn't really done it IMHO since South Africa 1994.

Quote:
>For me, Dallaglio has far better hands and speed.  He gets involved in the game
>more.  All he seems to lose to Rodber is a couple of inches in the lineout.
>But Dallaglio is being messed about and won't produce his best until he is at 6
>or 8.  Rather like Ben Clarke.

Accepted; but he ain't performing at the moment in the position he is
being picked for.

Quote:
>>There are stories doing the rounds about Rodber's attitude around that
>>time, and the attitude that his (Army) superiors took.  Threats of the
>>South Atlantic being a long way from international rugby....
>So you agree he's played like a jessie since then?

Since SA 1994, he has consistently underperformed, even been dropped.
Yes, I agree.

Quote:
>Rodber is playing with all of Ben Clarke's worst vices, but none of his
>strengths.  A total disaster to have your number eight brain dead with wobbly
>hands.

Which is why Clarke has (thankfully) been sidelined - even if it did
take a ***y injury to force the issue.  I'm personaly not convinced
Clarke would be making any more of an impact than Rodber.

[ re : Adebayo ]

Quote:
>>But has a limited tenure IMO.  Look at Hunter..  similar player, that did
>>nothing wrong, but eventually got dropped for a faster runner.
>Hunter's problems were as much injuries as anything.  He just wasn't there
>enough to get a regular spot.  If he played one game, you knew you'd have to
>rest him the next.  Cooke eventually got fed up with this.  This is known as
>Pears' Disease.

I like it!!  :-)

Didds.
Devizes RFC.
Disclaimer : The opinions expressed are solely those of the author.
                 And are probably wrong anyway.

 
 
 

England's Back Row (was Re: England vs NZ Baabaas)

Post by Lisa Smit » Sat, 14 Dec 1996 04:00:00



Quote:


>>as did

>>John Williams (>>)

>>>>Rodber was effective in the lineout, but still looks a shadow of the player
>>>>in the first SA England test 1994.

Oh but what a nice shadow!
Quote:
>>>Waste of space, waste of space.  This man is masquerading as a rugby player.

>>possibly...  but he was still sharper than Daliglio, and assuming that
>>wholesale changes aren't going to happen then Rodber gets to stay...
>>a genuine openside needs picking though.

Try Rodber at 8 where he prefers to be and plays at club level.
Quote:
>What I don't like about Rodber is he seems brainless, drops the ball a lot,
>tackles like a jessie and falls flat on his arse as soon as a blade of grass
>gets in his way.

Calm down - IMHO and experience he only falls flat on his arse when
Norhtampton are losing.
Quote:
>That's the cold side, which we are seeing far too often at international level.
>He can be a real brute of a tackler, rampaging crash runner and dominating
>lineout ball winner.  But he just does it too little.

His lineout jumping has been pretty faultless this year - and in
previous years he was always been the support for the no 2 jumper!
Quote:

>>>Sums it up for me.  Skinner or Teague would have ripped Allen's fingers off
>>>somewhere around the elbow.  Even Clarke would not have been such a patsy, but
>>>Rodber seems to be playing like a girl (ever since that sending off in SA?).

Come and watch a Northampton game - he's no Jessy.

--
Lisa