Charlie Dempsey - the story

Charlie Dempsey - the story

Post by Ferdi Greyli » Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:00:00


From the SA Sunday Times:

-----------

How a humiliated old man sold SA's World Cup hopes down the river

JESSICA BEZUIDENHOUT, CLINTON ASARY and ANDRE JURGENS

ON the very day - six weeks ago - that Charlie Dempsey was made a
Samoan
warrior and given the tribal name of Falana Pupu, he knew that he
would
betray South Africa in its bid to win the 2006 soccer World Cup.

As his cheeks were daubed with red paint and a bone necklace was
placed
around his neck in the Aggie Greys Hotel in Samoa, the "Flying Scot"
was an
angry old man. (See picture on page 1.)

He had been cornered and he knew it.

Everything had gone against him and for once in his life he had been
told
what to do.

It happened in May at the Oceania Football Confederation's congress,
where
bidding countries had arrived on the small Pacific island to present
details
of their bids to countries in

But first on the agenda was the election of the confederation's new
president, a position Dempsey has held for the past 18 years - well
past his
sell-by date, his critics felt.

He was the only one who had been nominated and he assumed he would be
re-elected without any fuss.

But delegates from member countries that include Australia, Tahiti,
Samoa
and Vanuatu had other plans.

In front of Fifa president Sepp Blatter, and the bidding countries
England,
Germany and South Africa, it was proposed that Dempsey's re-election
should
not take place until September as other "issues" had to be sorted out
first.

One of which was that as president, Dempsey would vote for South
Africa.

The long-time soccer boss grew angry.

"I refuse to wait, you must do it now," he said. His daughter,
Josephine
King, a powerful force behind her father, and general secretary of the
confederation, lashed out at the members for embarrassing her father
in
front of Blatter and reminded some of them that they had not yet paid
their
membership fees.

The meeting was adjourned amid much tension.

Blatter then called for a private meeting with Dempsey, where the Fifa
boss
laid down the law.

Dempsey, a Fifa executive, was told clearly by his boss that he was 79
years
old and that the time was fast approaching for him to give up his
crown. His
announcement that he was going to vote for England because "his roots
lay
there" was not acceptable, Blatter told him.

At that time the only other person who had backed England's bid was
David
Will, the Fifa executive member from Scotland.

The two men returned to the meeting, where it was announced that
Dempsey had
accepted that the re-election take place in September . That was his
first
***.

Later in the day the confederation executive met privately in a hotel
room
and there Dempsey suffered a second ***. Delegates decided
that
although he would be allowed to back England in the first round, in
later
rounds he would have to back South Africa instead of Germany as the
country
of second choice to host the World Cup.

But it seems the angry old man had already made up his mind to defy
his
confederation and exact revenge on Blatter and the others who had gone
up
against him.

This week in Zurich, when four bidding countries, South Africa,
Germany,
England and Morocco, gathered for their final presentations to the
Fifa
executives before the announcement of the host country for the 2006
World
Cup , Dempsey had his revenge.

It was at the exclusive Dolder Grand Hotel, where all the Fifa
executives
stayed, that the Germans clinched the cup hours before the final vote
took
place.

It was also where Dempsey sat at the cosy little wood-panelled bar
drinking
his favourite tipple of Guinness with his old friend Lennart
Johansson, the
boss of the European confederation UEFA who wanted him to vote for
Germany.

THE irony is that what Dempsey did to South Africa is what Blatter did
to
Johansson.

Two years ago Johansson, European soccer's most powerful man, was
favoured
to get the vacant job of Fifa boss. But Blatter, by promising to bring
the
World Cup to Africa, gained crucial support from South Africa and
other
African countries to score an upset victory.

Both Dempsey and Johansson had a reason to get back at Blatter.

In the meantime, as the lobbying went on , UEFA and the Germans, who
were
assured of eight votes, met the Asians.

Among the promises made at that secret meeting was that Dr Chung
Mong-joon,
whose vote Germany already had, would get UEFA's backing to go up
against
Blatter to become the next Fifa president in 2002.

Mong-joon, the boss of Hyundai in Korea who has ambitions of becoming
the
president of his country, recently signed a multimillion-dollar deal
with
Germany's DaimlerChrysler. The title of Fifa president was appealing.
The
Asians, who until then had been threatening to vote along individual
lines,
decided to deliver a bloc vote to Germany.

Now the Germans could be assured of 12 votes.

But even then Germany could not be sure of victory if Dempsey had
followed
his confederation's orders. The result would have been a tie and
Blatter,
who as president has a casting vote, could have delivered the World
Cup to
South Africa.

BUT on Wednesday night Johansson already knew differently. He sat in
the bar
of the Dolder Grand Hotel, surrounded by his key allies Per Ravn Omdal
of
Norway, Joseph Mifsud of Malta and Michel D'Hooghe of Belgium.

The glasses were filled with scotch and clinked, the pianist played,
and
Johansson - singing, smiling broadly and banging the table in
accompaniment - led the choruses.

As he left the bar, Johansson stopped briefly. "I know who the winner
is,"
he said. "It is a country like England. "

At 9am on Thursday morning at Fifa House, in Zurich, Dempsey shocked
his
fellow executives when he walked into a meeting and announced that he
would
be voting for England and "nobody else".

By 10.30am South Africa was told that it had lost the bid. Dempsey had
wreaked his revenge and even before the official announcement to the
world,
the defiant Kiwi was jetting his way, first-class, to Singapore for a
round
of golf.

By 2pm the world knew that Germany had got the showpiece of soccer and
that
Dempsey had not voted.

Now all hell broke lose as Dempsey sparked claims of vote-rigging and
***, a hoax letter and death threats as his excuse for not casting
his
vote for South Africa.

The man who has been labelled as arrogant, who has fought many a
battle with
Australian soccer chiefs, and who has ruled soccer in the Pacific with
a
iron***was expecting the world to believe he had become a cowed
victim of
voting machinations.

He spoke of the "unbearable pressure" he had been put under and told
about
receiving a letter that offered him gifts if he voted for a certain
country
that made him feel intimidated.

"I was scared standing there at 5am with this letter in my hand," he
said.
"On the last evening before the vote my night's sleep was interrupted
by
five phone calls. I did not make any calls as I feared my phone might
have
been bugged. I had death threats. I was also phoned by Nelson Mandela
at
6.30am. I never thought the World Cup was so important to so many
people."
Few, however, believe him.

Jack Warner, the member for Trinidad and Tobago, told a British
newspaper:
"Dempsey made it all up. He lost his nerve and he concocted the whole
thing
in his head. I am livid. Football does not deserve a man like Charlie
Dempsey."

Warner said the letter that he had also received was clearly a hoax (a
German satirical magazine later confirmed it had sent the letter to
Fifa
executives) that no one should have taken seriously.

Warner's theory is that Dempsey used the letter to justify a decision
he had
made long ago to defy his confederation rather go up against his old
friend
Johansson. That explanation is supported by comments made by the New
Zealand
Sports Minister, Trevor Mallard, who said soon after the vote that
Dempsey
had refused to take telephone calls from his own country.

"It is clear that we have a problem in getting him to face up to his
responsibilities. This reflects very badly on New Zealand and I am
very
upset that one individual can do so much damage to the reputation of
one
country. He has taken a decision which directly contradicts what he
had
previously said he was going to do.'

Former Australian soccer chairman David Hill has called for Dempsey's
head.
"I think Charlie is a joke. He must resign over this," he said.

 
 
 

Charlie Dempsey - the story

Post by rick boy » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> From the SA Sunday Times:

> -----------

> How a humiliated old man sold SA's World Cup hopes down the river

What's the point of all this Ferds? Is this a patriotic tirade how one
ageing idiot  did something bad to South Africa? Are you saying you
really wanted the Poofball world cup in South Africa, rugby giant?

Surely not. You should be congratuling Dempsey. There are some things
more important than surface nationalism. I am a fervent supporter of the
Australian Rugby league team. Not because I give a toss about league,
the "checkers" version of the rugby world, but because evry time the
Kangaroos dish out another walloping to the c-grade Kiwis, it's another
nail in the coffin of league in New Zealand. And good riddance to bad
rubbish, I say.

Who needs Poofball? It's fine for persons of whose Dads recently
immigrated and don't have the required physical presence for rugby.
Australia v New Zealand soccer matches always make me laugh. Apart from
being generally irrelevant, it's our poms against Australia's wogs.

New Zealand and South Africa don't have populations big enough to be
good at two types of football, unless your black population gets real
good at soccer. Guard your rugby jealously. Leave soccer to the poms.
It's their national sport and they're still ***at it.

--
Rick Boyd

Perth-Bayswater Rugby Union Football Club, Western Australia
club homepage: http://SportToday.org/~boyd/perth-baysw.htm

 
 
 

Charlie Dempsey - the story

Post by McGillyCudd » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Yup - he is regarded as an old bastard overhere as well Ferdi.

It seems his wife is connected with UEFA and I suspect he was going to do
this to SA all along.

SA is another SH country and we should have supported it - if he was worried
about bribes then he should have contacted the FIFA officials in the first
place as the decision to abstain was not his to make.

He should have been taken out 5 years ago as I believe he is too long in the
tooth and too power crazy / arrogant to continue - oh well - they let him
retire gracefully but it has made NZ look like a bunch of plonkers in front
of the world.


Quote:

> From the SA Sunday Times:

> -----------

> How a humiliated old man sold SA's World Cup hopes down the river

> JESSICA BEZUIDENHOUT, CLINTON ASARY and ANDRE JURGENS

> ON the very day - six weeks ago - that Charlie Dempsey was made a
> Samoan
> warrior and given the tribal name of Falana Pupu, he knew that he
> would
> betray South Africa in its bid to win the 2006 soccer World Cup.

> As his cheeks were daubed with red paint and a bone necklace was
> placed
> around his neck in the Aggie Greys Hotel in Samoa, the "Flying Scot"
> was an
> angry old man. (See picture on page 1.)

> He had been cornered and he knew it.

> Everything had gone against him and for once in his life he had been
> told
> what to do.

> It happened in May at the Oceania Football Confederation's congress,
> where
> bidding countries had arrived on the small Pacific island to present
> details
> of their bids to countries in

> But first on the agenda was the election of the confederation's new
> president, a position Dempsey has held for the past 18 years - well
> past his
> sell-by date, his critics felt.

> He was the only one who had been nominated and he assumed he would be
> re-elected without any fuss.

> But delegates from member countries that include Australia, Tahiti,
> Samoa
> and Vanuatu had other plans.

> In front of Fifa president Sepp Blatter, and the bidding countries
> England,
> Germany and South Africa, it was proposed that Dempsey's re-election
> should
> not take place until September as other "issues" had to be sorted out
> first.

> One of which was that as president, Dempsey would vote for South
> Africa.

> The long-time soccer boss grew angry.

> "I refuse to wait, you must do it now," he said. His daughter,
> Josephine
> King, a powerful force behind her father, and general secretary of the
> confederation, lashed out at the members for embarrassing her father
> in
> front of Blatter and reminded some of them that they had not yet paid
> their
> membership fees.

> The meeting was adjourned amid much tension.

> Blatter then called for a private meeting with Dempsey, where the Fifa
> boss
> laid down the law.

> Dempsey, a Fifa executive, was told clearly by his boss that he was 79
> years
> old and that the time was fast approaching for him to give up his
> crown. His
> announcement that he was going to vote for England because "his roots
> lay
> there" was not acceptable, Blatter told him.

> At that time the only other person who had backed England's bid was
> David
> Will, the Fifa executive member from Scotland.

> The two men returned to the meeting, where it was announced that
> Dempsey had
> accepted that the re-election take place in September . That was his
> first
> ***.

> Later in the day the confederation executive met privately in a hotel
> room
> and there Dempsey suffered a second ***. Delegates decided
> that
> although he would be allowed to back England in the first round, in
> later
> rounds he would have to back South Africa instead of Germany as the
> country
> of second choice to host the World Cup.

> But it seems the angry old man had already made up his mind to defy
> his
> confederation and exact revenge on Blatter and the others who had gone
> up
> against him.

> This week in Zurich, when four bidding countries, South Africa,
> Germany,
> England and Morocco, gathered for their final presentations to the
> Fifa
> executives before the announcement of the host country for the 2006
> World
> Cup , Dempsey had his revenge.

> It was at the exclusive Dolder Grand Hotel, where all the Fifa
> executives
> stayed, that the Germans clinched the cup hours before the final vote
> took
> place.

> It was also where Dempsey sat at the cosy little wood-panelled bar
> drinking
> his favourite tipple of Guinness with his old friend Lennart
> Johansson, the
> boss of the European confederation UEFA who wanted him to vote for
> Germany.

> THE irony is that what Dempsey did to South Africa is what Blatter did
> to
> Johansson.

> Two years ago Johansson, European soccer's most powerful man, was
> favoured
> to get the vacant job of Fifa boss. But Blatter, by promising to bring
> the
> World Cup to Africa, gained crucial support from South Africa and
> other
> African countries to score an upset victory.

> Both Dempsey and Johansson had a reason to get back at Blatter.

> In the meantime, as the lobbying went on , UEFA and the Germans, who
> were
> assured of eight votes, met the Asians.

> Among the promises made at that secret meeting was that Dr Chung
> Mong-joon,
> whose vote Germany already had, would get UEFA's backing to go up
> against
> Blatter to become the next Fifa president in 2002.

> Mong-joon, the boss of Hyundai in Korea who has ambitions of becoming
> the
> president of his country, recently signed a multimillion-dollar deal
> with
> Germany's DaimlerChrysler. The title of Fifa president was appealing.
> The
> Asians, who until then had been threatening to vote along individual
> lines,
> decided to deliver a bloc vote to Germany.

> Now the Germans could be assured of 12 votes.

> But even then Germany could not be sure of victory if Dempsey had
> followed
> his confederation's orders. The result would have been a tie and
> Blatter,
> who as president has a casting vote, could have delivered the World
> Cup to
> South Africa.

> BUT on Wednesday night Johansson already knew differently. He sat in
> the bar
> of the Dolder Grand Hotel, surrounded by his key allies Per Ravn Omdal
> of
> Norway, Joseph Mifsud of Malta and Michel D'Hooghe of Belgium.

> The glasses were filled with scotch and clinked, the pianist played,
> and
> Johansson - singing, smiling broadly and banging the table in
> accompaniment - led the choruses.

> As he left the bar, Johansson stopped briefly. "I know who the winner
> is,"
> he said. "It is a country like England. "

> At 9am on Thursday morning at Fifa House, in Zurich, Dempsey shocked
> his
> fellow executives when he walked into a meeting and announced that he
> would
> be voting for England and "nobody else".

> By 10.30am South Africa was told that it had lost the bid. Dempsey had
> wreaked his revenge and even before the official announcement to the
> world,
> the defiant Kiwi was jetting his way, first-class, to Singapore for a
> round
> of golf.

> By 2pm the world knew that Germany had got the showpiece of soccer and
> that
> Dempsey had not voted.

> Now all hell broke lose as Dempsey sparked claims of vote-rigging and
> ***, a hoax letter and death threats as his excuse for not casting
> his
> vote for South Africa.

> The man who has been labelled as arrogant, who has fought many a
> battle with
> Australian soccer chiefs, and who has ruled soccer in the Pacific with
> a
> iron***was expecting the world to believe he had become a cowed
> victim of
> voting machinations.

> He spoke of the "unbearable pressure" he had been put under and told
> about
> receiving a letter that offered him gifts if he voted for a certain
> country
> that made him feel intimidated.

> "I was scared standing there at 5am with this letter in my hand," he
> said.
> "On the last evening before the vote my night's sleep was interrupted
> by
> five phone calls. I did not make any calls as I feared my phone might
> have
> been bugged. I had death threats. I was also phoned by Nelson Mandela
> at
> 6.30am. I never thought the World Cup was so important to so many
> people."
> Few, however, believe him.

> Jack Warner, the member for Trinidad and Tobago, told a British
> newspaper:
> "Dempsey made it all up. He lost his nerve and he concocted the whole
> thing
> in his head. I am livid. Football does not deserve a man like Charlie
> Dempsey."

> Warner said the letter that he had also received was clearly a hoax (a
> German satirical magazine later confirmed it had sent the letter to
> Fifa
> executives) that no one should have taken seriously.

> Warner's theory is that Dempsey used the letter to justify a decision
> he had
> made long ago to defy his confederation rather go up against his old
> friend
> Johansson. That explanation is supported by comments made by the New
> Zealand
> Sports Minister, Trevor Mallard, who said soon after the vote that
> Dempsey
> had refused to take telephone calls from his own country.

> "It is clear that we have a problem in getting him to face up to his
> responsibilities. This reflects very badly on New Zealand and I am
> very
> upset that one individual can do so much damage to the reputation of
> one
> country. He has taken a decision which directly contradicts what he
> had
> previously said he was going to do.'

> Former Australian soccer chairman David Hill has called for Dempsey's
> head.
> "I think Charlie is a joke. He must resign over this," he said.


 
 
 

Charlie Dempsey - the story

Post by russ.. » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>Who needs Poofball? It's fine for persons of whose Dads recently
>immigrated and don't have the required physical presence for rugby.
>Australia v New Zealand soccer matches always make me laugh. Apart from
>being generally irrelevant, it's our poms against Australia's wogs.

Rick, I've never quite someone so stupid. Physical presence required for rugby?
Shouldn't sport cater to ALL body shapes and sizes?

Obviously, you can't appreciate multiple sports.

And all that is required to support two football codes is a total quantity of
26 players.

--
Zhivan
Supporting Entertaining Auckland Rugby
NPC CHAMPIONS 1999
"But no sprinkles. For every sprinkle that I find, you shall die"
           - Stu

 
 
 

Charlie Dempsey - the story

Post by Larr » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
> >Who needs Poofball? It's fine for persons of whose Dads recently
> >immigrated and don't have the required physical presence for rugby.
> >Australia v New Zealand soccer matches always make me laugh. Apart from
> >being generally irrelevant, it's our poms against Australia's wogs.

> Rick, I've never quite someone so stupid. Physical presence required for
rugby?
> Shouldn't sport cater to ALL body shapes and sizes?

> Obviously, you can't appreciate multiple sports.

> And all that is required to support two football codes is a total quantity
of
> 26 players.

So there is life on other planets!
Is "Z" an Alien?
He consistently exhibits a very strange thought process.
At first I thought this was due to two factors:-
  1.He was about 12 years old.
  2.He had an IQ of about 12.

But I was wrong.

He is in fact a 12 year old ALIEN with an IQ of 12.

 
 
 

Charlie Dempsey - the story

Post by Greig Blanchet » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00



[snip]

Quote:

>He should have been taken out 5 years ago as I believe he is too long in the
>tooth and too power crazy / arrogant to continue - oh well - they let him
>retire gracefully but it has made NZ look like a bunch of plonkers in front
>of the world.

And we don't need no s***kin' Scotsman to make us look like a bunch
of plonkers!

Hey!! Whut?!!

[snip]

 
 
 

Charlie Dempsey - the story

Post by Ferdi Greyli » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00



<<>What's the point of all this Ferds? Is this a patriotic tirade how
one

Quote:
>ageing idiot  did something bad to South Africa? Are you saying you
>really wanted the Poofball world cup in South Africa, rugby giant?>>

The point Rick?
Information.
It is the only article  saw trying to unravel what happened. Would you
prefer people not post relevanmt stuff on the NG?
Or only on certain issues?

<<>New Zealand and South Africa don't have populations big enough to
be

Quote:
>good at two types of football, unless your black population gets real
>good at soccer.>>

They are.

<< Guard your rugby jealously. Leave soccer to the poms.

Quote:
>It's their national sport and they're still ***at it. >>

Rick. In SA there are three big team sports: In order ofn popularity
they are:

Soccer
Cricket
Rugby.

 
 
 

Charlie Dempsey - the story

Post by Ferdi Greyli » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00



<<>Yup - he is regarded as an old bastard overhere as well Ferdi.

Quote:

>It seems his wife is connected with UEFA and I suspect he was going to do
>this to SA all along.

>SA is another SH country and we should have supported it - if he was worried
>about bribes then he should have contacted the FIFA officials in the first
>place as the decision to abstain was not his to make.

>He should have been taken out 5 years ago as I believe he is too long in the
>tooth and too power crazy / arrogant to continue - oh well - they let him
>retire gracefully but it has made NZ look like a bunch of plonkers in front
>of the world.>>

The lesson out of all this is the disproportionate amount of voting
power Europe has in deciding Fifa affairs, should be broken. Otherwise
countries like SA, Australia and NZ will never get a soccer WC.

Leave alone the continent of Afrika getting it ever.

 
 
 

Charlie Dempsey - the story

Post by Gart » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
>What's the point of all this Ferds? Is this a patriotic tirade how one
>ageing idiot  did something bad to South Africa? Are you saying you
>really wanted the Poofball world cup in South Africa, rugby giant?

Yes, we really did want this event rick.

The Soccer World Cup means a lot more to the host country than just an
opportunity to play football.

The economic consequences would have been immense. To give you an
idea; when the result of the voting was announced, our currency
devalued almost immediately (within 15 minutes) against all major
currencies, by more than 4 %.

Furthermore, the activities and preparations for this event in the
intervening years would have provided a solid foundation for
advancement on just about every level, from cultural to economic.

So no, rick, we are not congratulating Dempsey for sparing us from
this opportunity. On the contrary, most South Africans are
disappointed in the extreme.

And that we lost in this way is bitter gall indeed.

Garth.

 
 
 

Charlie Dempsey - the story

Post by rick boy » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> >Who needs Poofball? It's fine for persons of whose Dads recently
> >immigrated and don't have the required physical presence for rugby.
> >Australia v New Zealand soccer matches always make me laugh. Apart from
> >being generally irrelevant, it's our poms against Australia's wogs.

> Rick, I've never quite someone so stupid.

You've what? Z, you really are a dill sometimes.  

Quote:
> Physical presence required for rugby?

It has come to my attention over many years of rugby that the one
defining factor essential for even moderate success in rugby is the old
fire in the belly. Man on man. If you ain't got it, don't even bother
showing up. It's a body contact sport. Take a player with skill,
athleticism, fitness and speed and no natural aggression, put him on a
rugby paddock and within five minutes he is flattened and permanently
neutralised by some dumb *** forward with nothing going for him but a
primeval prediliction for ***.

Quote:
> Shouldn't sport cater to ALL body shapes and sizes?

You may notice that body size and shape do not have a proprotional
relationship with physical presence. Like they say, it's not the size of
the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog. At the top
level, sure, certain size requirements must be met in certain positions.
But haven't we all played with pocket battleships over the years and
known the absolute truth that pound for pound they were as good as
anyone going, and would surely have earned the highest of honours if
their heart had been matched by sufficient inches or stone?

Quote:

> Obviously, you can't appreciate multiple sports.

And this from a man that vomits on anything not from Auckland.

--
Rick Boyd

Perth-Bayswater Rugby Union Football Club, Western Australia
club homepage: http://SportToday.org/~boyd/perth-baysw.htm

 
 
 

Charlie Dempsey - the story

Post by rick boy » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:



> <<>What's the point of all this Ferds? Is this a patriotic tirade how
> one
> >ageing idiot  did something bad to South Africa? Are you saying you
> >really wanted the Poofball world cup in South Africa, rugby giant?>>

> The point Rick?
> Information.
> It is the only article  saw trying to unravel what happened. Would you
> prefer people not post relevanmt stuff on the NG?
> Or only on certain issues?

No, I just wondered what your sudden interest in soccer was all about.

Quote:

> <<>New Zealand and South Africa don't have populations big enough to
> be
> >good at two types of football, unless your black population gets real
> >good at soccer.>>

> They are.

> << Guard your rugby jealously. Leave soccer to the poms.
> >It's their national sport and they're still ***at it. >>

> Rick. In SA there are three big team sports: In order ofn popularity
> they are:

> Soccer
> Cricket
> Rugby.

Do we take it that you think SA is big enough to ahve really good rugby
AND soccer teams? Are we to understand you think that promoting soccer
in SA is a GOOD thing? My complete disinterest in soccer has prevented
from hearing the many great conquests of the SA soccer team. Are they a
serious finals chance in the round ball world cup? Or is this just
optimism on your part?

--
Rick Boyd

Perth-Bayswater Rugby Union Football Club, Western Australia
club homepage: http://SportToday.org/~boyd/perth-baysw.htm

 
 
 

Charlie Dempsey - the story

Post by Andre Marit » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> What's the point of all this Ferds? Is this a patriotic tirade how one
> ageing idiot  did something bad to South Africa? Are you saying you
> really wanted the Poofball world cup in South Africa, rugby giant?

We needed it for our economy.
 
 
 

Charlie Dempsey - the story

Post by Mees Roelof » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>>What's the point of all this Ferds? Is this a patriotic tirade how one
>>ageing idiot  did something bad to South Africa? Are you saying you
>>really wanted the Poofball world cup in South Africa, rugby giant?

>Yes, we really did want this event rick.

>The Soccer World Cup means a lot more to the host country than just an
>opportunity to play football.

Have to agree here.

Euro 2000 has been a big boost to The Netherlands (and without any
doubt to Belgium as well), not only economically, but also as a very
effective means to promote your country. Billions of people are
watching it and that was only the European Championship.

Just look at the effect here in Rotterdam. Hundreds of thousands of
people came here to see the five matches played here, bringing an
enormous boost to the businesses all over the city, particularly pubs
of course. Locals had a terrific time with all the celebrations, tv
stations from all over the World broadcasted from locations all over
the place and talked superlatives (a few Italians might want to
disagree), the number of heads of state present at the final was
higher than at summit meetings, etc, etc.

A much better way to hit the airwaves than the Dutch *** policy or
its 'soft' way of policing.

--
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Charlie Dempsey - the story

Post by Pete Devli » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

The candles blew and then disappeared, the curtains flew and then Greig
Blanchett appeared saying :-
Quote:
>And we don't need no s***kin' Scotsman to make us look like a bunch
>of plonkers!

>Hey!! Whut?!!

Although some of you are quite competent by yourselves, I think I do
quite a good job thank you. :o)
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Charlie Dempsey - the story

Post by russ.. » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>It has come to my attention over many years of rugby that the one
>defining factor essential for even moderate success in rugby is the old
>fire in the belly. Man on man. If you ain't got it, don't even bother
>showing up. It's a body contact sport. Take a player with skill,
>athleticism, fitness and speed and no natural aggression, put him on a
>rugby paddock and within five minutes he is flattened and permanently
>neutralised by some dumb *** forward with nothing going for him but a
>primeval prediliction for ***.

Physical presence is a completely different concept to aggression, so why did
you say one when you meant the other? Physical presence is derived from the
word 'physical', not 'mental', so perhaps consider what you are trying to
state.

And, TJ Wright wasn't aggressive.

Quote:
>You may notice that body size and shape do not have a proprotional
>relationship with physical presence. Like they say, it's not the size of
>the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog. At the top
>level, sure, certain size requirements must be met in certain positions.
>But haven't we all played with pocket battleships over the years and
>known the absolute truth that pound for pound they were as good as
>anyone going, and would surely have earned the highest of honours if
>their heart had been matched by sufficient inches or stone?

Sure, but that's not what I was trying to point out. Often the little fellas
play well because of the chip on their shoulders about their size.

Quote:

>> Obviously, you can't appreciate multiple sports.

>And this from a man that vomits on anything not from Auckland.

Nope, I'm also a big fan of Argentine rugby, FK Partizan Belgrade.. SS Lazio...
that's about it. Auckland is the best rick, you might as well accept it.

--
Zhivan
Supporting Entertaining Auckland Rugby
NPC CHAMPIONS 1999
"But no sprinkles. For every sprinkle that I find, you shall die"
           - Stu