Well played Wales

Well played Wales

Post by Ben » Mon, 18 Mar 2013 03:39:50


Men and boys stuff. Wales have got progressively better. England have got worse. Wales have been clinical when they've had opportunities and smart where England have not. England have no idea how to play Walsh, which hasn't helped, and a sign of their immaturity and what they need to do to actually win a Grand Slam.

The scoreline is flattering but no question who the better side is by some margin. Warburton and Tipuric have been incredible but the whole team have been exceptional.

 
 
 

Well played Wales

Post by John William » Mon, 18 Mar 2013 04:08:16

On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:39:50 -0700 (PDT), Ben L

Quote:

>Men and boys stuff. Wales have got progressively better. England have got worse. Wales have been clinical when they've had opportunities and smart where England have not. England have no idea how to play Walsh, which hasn't helped, and a sign of their immaturity and what they need to do to actually win a Grand Slam.

>The scoreline is flattering but no question who the better side is by some margin. Warburton and Tipuric have been incredible but the whole team have been exceptional.

Indeed, a very nice win. A great spectacle in the end, and I'm really
pleased there was one clearly superior team, and a good game in the
end. It saved the competition this year after lacklustre rounds 2-4.

9-3 at half time seemed a little unflattering for Wales I thought. The
scrum and that lead were critical to the result, then things
deservedly went Wales's way with the two turnover tries. It would have
been interesting if England could have come back on terms before the
pull-away, they had a few chances it shouldn't be forgotten, but the
lack of attacking options meant Wales could sit on their lead and wait
for the turnovers. The players out of position were exposed I thought
-- Wood and Brown just aren't natural players in their game positions
and that made a difference. Barritt was fine tackling, but exposed for
pace and handling at times.

I would have liked to see Lancaster throw everything into the ring
with complete changes after the first Wales try, and there seemed to
be some timidity in game plan -- not attacking the welsh lineout,
allowing Wales more numbers at the breakdown -- apart from that it is
a necessary bit of pain for a team to go through as it develops. I was
gobsmacked when it was mentioned Dan Cole had the most caps in the
starting XV.

Good to see Tipuric produce on the international stage, he certainly
did well in the two tries and generally around the field. A possible
bonus is Wales get the RSRU shield and they tour Japan in the summer,
so whatever happens it will stay in the NH a little longer. Whereas
Argentina will probably be favourites to win the last test when
England tour in June.

--

All the best
John Williams

 
 
 

Well played Wales

Post by BrritSk » Mon, 18 Mar 2013 05:56:50


Quote:
> On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:39:50 -0700 (PDT), Ben L

>> Men and boys stuff. Wales have got progressively better. England have got worse. Wales have been clinical when they've had opportunities and smart where England have not. England have no idea how to play Walsh, which hasn't helped, and a sign of their immaturity and what they need to do to actually win a Grand Slam.

>> The scoreline is flattering but no question who the better side is by some margin. Warburton and Tipuric have been incredible but the whole team have been exceptional.

> Indeed, a very nice win. A great spectacle in the end, and I'm really
> pleased there was one clearly superior team, and a good game in the
> end. It saved the competition this year after lacklustre rounds 2-4.

> 9-3 at half time seemed a little unflattering for Wales I thought. The
> scrum and that lead were critical to the result, then things
> deservedly went Wales's way with the two turnover tries. It would have
> been interesting if England could have come back on terms before the
> pull-away, they had a few chances it shouldn't be forgotten, but the
> lack of attacking options meant Wales could sit on their lead and wait
> for the turnovers. The players out of position were exposed I thought
> -- Wood and Brown just aren't natural players in their game positions
> and that made a difference. Barritt was fine tackling, but exposed for
> pace and handling at times.

> I would have liked to see Lancaster throw everything into the ring
> with complete changes after the first Wales try, and there seemed to
> be some timidity in game plan -- not attacking the welsh lineout,
> allowing Wales more numbers at the breakdown -- apart from that it is
> a necessary bit of pain for a team to go through as it develops. I was
> gobsmacked when it was mentioned Dan Cole had the most caps in the
> starting XV.

> Good to see Tipuric produce on the international stage, he certainly
> did well in the two tries and generally around the field. A possible
> bonus is Wales get the RSRU shield and they tour Japan in the summer,
> so whatever happens it will stay in the NH a little longer. Whereas
> Argentina will probably be favourites to win the last test when
> England tour in June.

Here's what I said to a Welsh friend by email:

What a thrashing !   Superb performance by Wales and a thoroughly
deserved win. Enjoyable game, even if we lost.

We were perhaps slightly better at the lineout, but that's not a big
enough part of the game. Destroyed in the scrum and everywhere else we
were outplayed. I agree on Tuilagi - I've been wondering for a while
why he's so popular - yes he's a big wrecking ball, but big smart
players against him will be better. Back 3 let us down - we need some
gas on the wings and players who can tackle. 6/7/8 di their best but
are unbalanced as I said already.

We will learn a lot from that I hope....  enjoy it while you can Chas !  ;)

 
 
 

Well played Wales

Post by Colin Ree » Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:16:26

Quote:




>>> Men and boys stuff. Wales have got progressively better. England have
>>> got worse. Wales have been clinical when they've had opportunities and
>>> smart where England have not. England have no idea how to play Walsh,
>>> which hasn't helped, and a sign of their immaturity and what they need
>>> to do to actually win a Grand Slam.

>>> The scoreline is flattering but no question who the better side is by
>>> some margin. Warburton and Tipuric have been incredible but the whole
>>> team have been exceptional.

>> Indeed, a very nice win. A great spectacle in the end, and I'm really
>> pleased there was one clearly superior team, and a good game in the
>> end. It saved the competition this year after lacklustre rounds 2-4.

>> 9-3 at half time seemed a little unflattering for Wales I thought. The
>> scrum and that lead were critical to the result, then things deservedly
>> went Wales's way with the two turnover tries. It would have been
>> interesting if England could have come back on terms before the
>> pull-away, they had a few chances it shouldn't be forgotten, but the
>> lack of attacking options meant Wales could sit on their lead and wait
>> for the turnovers. The players out of position were exposed I thought
>> -- Wood and Brown just aren't natural players in their game positions
>> and that made a difference. Barritt was fine tackling, but exposed for
>> pace and handling at times.

>> I would have liked to see Lancaster throw everything into the ring with
>> complete changes after the first Wales try, and there seemed to be some
>> timidity in game plan -- not attacking the welsh lineout, allowing
>> Wales more numbers at the breakdown -- apart from that it is a
>> necessary bit of pain for a team to go through as it develops. I was
>> gobsmacked when it was mentioned Dan Cole had the most caps in the
>> starting XV.

>> Good to see Tipuric produce on the international stage, he certainly
>> did well in the two tries and generally around the field. A possible
>> bonus is Wales get the RSRU shield and they tour Japan in the summer,
>> so whatever happens it will stay in the NH a little longer. Whereas
>> Argentina will probably be favourites to win the last test when England
>> tour in June.

> Here's what I said to a Welsh friend by email:

> What a thrashing !   Superb performance by Wales and a thoroughly
> deserved win. Enjoyable game, even if we lost.

> We were perhaps slightly better at the lineout, but that's not a big
> enough part of the game. Destroyed in the scrum and everywhere else we
> were outplayed. I agree on Tuilagi - I've been wondering for a while why
> he's so popular - yes he's a big wrecking ball, but big smart players
> against him will be better. Back 3 let us down - we need some gas on the
> wings and players who can tackle. 6/7/8 di their best but are unbalanced
> as I said already.

> We will learn a lot from that I hope....  enjoy it while you can Chas !
> ;)

We need to get someone more canny at nine.  Neither Youngs nor Care know
how to boss around the scrum.  Care seems the more urgent of the two, but
liable to panic (like his chip straight into touch when England had a
rare attacking advantage).  Youngs spent too much time arms aloft
complaining to Walsh.  That's not going to work even with a good ref!

As a non-connoisseur of scrums, I was a little surprised at the pinging.  
Dan Cole was pinged at one point for pulling down on Jenkins' arm, but it
looked to me that that was what Adam Jones was doing to Marler and then
Vunipola every scrum.  Couldn't quite understand what Walsh's problem
with T Youngs was either in how he was positioning himself for the
scrum.  Any practitioners of the dark arts care to shed more light on
what was going on?

Agree that we need something more effective at 12 and 13, and probably at
11 and 14 too.  I thought that, given the situation around them, Farrell
and Goode acquitted themselves ok.  I think the biggest problem was that
we didn't adapt to the game situation.  It was clear that Wales were
starting to dominate the breakdown, and yet we wouldn't commit extra
players.  When the ball did bobble loose at a breakdown, it wasn't helped
that Youngs usually had his back to the ball trying to get Walsh to award
something.  Is it just me that thinks we haven't had a real streetwise
number 9 since Dawson?

Excellent performance by Wales in pretty much all departments.  The
midfield looked a lot stronger than ours.  The two number 7s(!) looked to
be having a field day.  Cuthbert and North had more composure and skill
than Ashton, and more gas than Brown.

Can't help feeling that more competition at the breakdown, and a few more
kicks to the corners to see if the lineout (England's one competitive
area) could have worked better and put Wales under more pressure.  Then
again, if a team can't adapt tactics on the field, then it deserves to
come off second best and hopefully learn the lessons for next time.

 
 
 

Well played Wales

Post by Simon S- » Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:11:52


Quote:
> Men and boys stuff. Wales have got progressively better. England have got worse. Wales have been clinical when they've had opportunities and smart where England have not. England have no idea how to play Walsh, which hasn't helped, and a sign of their immaturity and what they need to do to actually win a Grand Slam.

> The scoreline is flattering but no question who the better side is by some margin. Warburton and Tipuric have been incredible but the whole team have been exceptional.

Lancaster too loyal to the side that beat NZ? Many of whom have dropped
several notches in form.
 
 
 

Well played Wales

Post by SirG » Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:29:48

simon s-b

Quote:
> Lancaster too loyal to the side that beat NZ? Many of whom have dropped
> several notches in form.

Owen Farrell = Andy Goode lite. England "HAS" to get inside back who can "ave a go" at beating a man. Enough with the kicking......."ave a friggin go"
 
 
 

Well played Wales

Post by Tom Westo » Tue, 19 Mar 2013 01:31:59

Quote:

> Men and boys stuff. Wales have got progressively better. England have got worse. Wales have been clinical when they've had opportunities and smart where England have not. England have no idea how to play Walsh, which hasn't helped, and a sign of their immaturity and what they need to do to actually win a Grand Slam.

> The scoreline is flattering but no question who the better side is by some margin. Warburton and Tipuric have been incredible but the whole team have been exceptional.

My two cents.

Amazing game to watch frenetc & intense but skill levels pretty high

An interesting question to ponder is if Warburton, Faletau, Tipuric and Lydiate are all fit & in form, which Welsh backrow would you pick?

England surprisingly rudderless.

Wonder what will happen with Austin Healey's bet? :) He should do the
decent thing & cough up something to charity.

 
 
 

Well played Wales

Post by Gib Bogl » Tue, 19 Mar 2013 04:41:27


Quote:
> Men and boys stuff. Wales have got progressively better. England have
> got worse. Wales have been clinical when they've had opportunities
> and smart where England have not. England have no idea how to play
> Walsh, which hasn't helped, and a sign of their immaturity and what
> they need to do to actually win a Grand Slam.

> The scoreline is flattering but no question who the better side is by
> some margin. Warburton and Tipuric have been incredible but the whole
> team have been exceptional.

After all the predictions about disastrous refereeing, I'm not seeing
any comments about Walsh or Joubert.
 
 
 

Well played Wales

Post by John William » Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:38:23



Quote:

>> Men and boys stuff. Wales have got progressively better. England have
>> got worse. Wales have been clinical when they've had opportunities
>> and smart where England have not. England have no idea how to play
>> Walsh, which hasn't helped, and a sign of their immaturity and what
>> they need to do to actually win a Grand Slam.

>> The scoreline is flattering but no question who the better side is by
>> some margin. Warburton and Tipuric have been incredible but the whole
>> team have been exceptional.

>After all the predictions about disastrous refereeing, I'm not seeing
>any comments about Walsh or Joubert.

Walsh did England no favours at the scrum (where they were heavily
beaten) or at the breakdown. He didn't do anything England shouldn't
have expected and adapted to though. I have seen some whinges about
his reffing, but that is just noise, as usual.

Joubert seems to have lost some confidence, and I prefer a few of the
French and Irish refs (and indeed Walsh) to him, but you know what you
get with him by and large, too.

--

All the best
John Williams

 
 
 

Well played Wales

Post by John » Tue, 19 Mar 2013 06:17:36

<snip>

Quote:

> After all the predictions about disastrous refereeing, I'm not seeing
> any comments about Walsh or Joubert.

Steve has been listening to rsru and realised he had to lift his game!
 
 
 

Well played Wales

Post by Gib Bogl » Tue, 19 Mar 2013 06:49:54


Quote:


> <snip>

>> After all the predictions about disastrous refereeing, I'm not seeing
>> any comments about Walsh or Joubert.

> Steve has been listening to rsru and realised he had to lift his game!

:)
 
 
 

Well played Wales

Post by Gib Bogl » Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:26:47


Quote:
> Men and boys stuff. Wales have got progressively better. England have
> got worse. Wales have been clinical when they've had opportunities
> and smart where England have not. England have no idea how to play
> Walsh, which hasn't helped, and a sign of their immaturity and what
> they need to do to actually win a Grand Slam.

> The scoreline is flattering but no question who the better side is by
> some margin. Warburton and Tipuric have been incredible but the whole
> team have been exceptional.

There were long dull periods of fruitless pick-and-go, and a few
episodes of e***ment.  Great runs from Warburton and Tipuric (where is
he from?)
 
 
 

Well played Wales

Post by Mentalguy2k » Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:48:18


Quote:
> As a non-connoisseur of scrums, I was a little surprised at the pinging.
> Dan Cole was pinged at one point for pulling down on Jenkins' arm, but it
> looked to me that that was what Adam Jones was doing to Marler and then
> Vunipola every scrum.  Couldn't quite understand what Walsh's problem
> with T Youngs was either in how he was positioning himself for the
> scrum.  Any practitioners of the dark arts care to shed more light on
> what was going on?

Walsh seems to make his mind up about players either before the game or
early during it, and pick on them almost exclusively. Then for reasons best
known to himself, he'll see an identical incident later on and give it the
other way. If Walsh doesn't like you, you don't get as much time as everyone
else does to roll away or release the player/ball in tackles. He just seems
to judge two identical incidents differently depending on who you are - and
it applies to everyone, not just England.

Can't blame him for the defeat though, but I'd still be happier if he was
kept away from England games.

 
 
 

Well played Wales

Post by Uncle Dav » Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:26:26


Quote:
> simon s-b
>> Lancaster too loyal to the side that beat NZ? Many of whom have dropped
>> several notches in form.

> Owen Farrell = Andy Goode lite. England "HAS" to get inside back who can "ave a go" at beating a man. Enough with the kicking......."ave a friggin go"

That's what they used to say about Jonny Wilkinson...

UD

 
 
 

Well played Wales

Post by Ben » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 01:14:06

<snip>

Quote:
> There were long dull periods of fruitless pick-and-go, and a few

> episodes of e***ment.  Great runs from Warburton and Tipuric (where is

> he from?)

Wikipedia says Krypton City, Planet Krypton.

I'm not kidding.