Has rugby improved?

Has rugby improved?

Post by b.. » Wed, 13 Jan 1999 04:00:00




Quote:

> > Good luck with the five nations. I will be supporting Wales.

> And not Ireland Rick, from whence your great-grandad came from (or
> somesuch) ?

Alas no, not Ireland where grandfather Patrick John Boyd came from, Donegal to
be precise, nor even Scotland where grandfather Peter Sinclair came from,
Glascow to be equally precise.

Ireland and Scotland might be sentimental favourites for me, but neither have
much of a chance barring the usual unpredictable Celtic madness of the moment.

Wales, on the other hand, have the talent and possibly now the direction to
do the bizzo. I have nothing against England particularly, in fact I hope
they perform to their potential and continue to open up their game. I just
think that if Wales can gain some semblance of parity in the forwards then
their backs have what it takes to deliver the groceries.

-- rick boyd

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Post by b.. » Wed, 13 Jan 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> I saw it live too and saw Hayden's dive. I've never watched it again and
> so cannot say anything about whether there was another offence as
> Quittenton claimed. However whether there was or not if Quittenton had
> been on the ball then he might just as well have penalised Hayden for
> his cynical (admitted on libe TV by himself) dive and Wales would have
> won. He might even have sent hayden off even for the last few seconds of
> the game.

Although I might even go so far as to agree there should be a penalty for
gratuitous acts of ludicrous melodrama which attempt to gain an unfair
advantage by simulating actual penalty offenes, none yet exists to my
knowledge. Which rule did you have in mind for penalising hHaden in 1978?

Quote:

> Thanks for your good wishes for the 5N. However despite the remarkable
> effects Henry has wrought on attitude and performance I can't see it
> being sustained until and if our players get regular tough competitive
> matches. No sign of that yet alas.

High time for the European Super 16 competition then. I now have doubts about
this concept as I think it would be far too beneficial for European rugby,
but I'm probably perfectly safe as it is far too sensible to ever be adopted
by the Postlethwaites and Smythe-Farqhuars who run British rugby.

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Post by Nigel Evan » Wed, 13 Jan 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>High time for the European Super 16 competition then. I now have doubts about
>this concept as I think it would be far too beneficial for European rugby,
>but I'm probably perfectly safe as it is far too sensible to ever be adopted
>by the Postlethwaites and Smythe-Farqhuars who run British rugby.

               It's high time for the Kiwis to "keep their beaks out" of
that which does not concern them. The traditional game in Wales has been
destroyed. We no longer have the structure which enabled us to produce
great teams. We've already done too many silly things. At the end of the
day we just want rugby on our terms.
--
Nigel Evans

 
 
 

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Post by Nigel Evan » Wed, 13 Jan 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>Wales, on the other hand, have the talent and possibly now the direction to
>do the bizzo. I have nothing against England particularly, in fact I hope
>they perform to their potential and continue to open up their game. I just
>think that if Wales can gain some semblance of parity in the forwards then
>their backs have what it takes to deliver the groceries.

              It would be better for rugby in Wales if we were to fail
miserably. Do you realise that Cardiff do not play Llanelli anymore ?
That Neath against Aberavon is now an almost meaningless fixture ? We
have to return to our roots. What would the be the point in Wales
winning a silly ***y World Cup when all the good things associated
with our game have been eradicated.
              Attendances at rugby games are falling all the time. The
prices of tickets are too high. It used to be that people would go to
rugby matches without the least thought of about how much it would cost
them. They attended in their thousands. Rugby is dying in Wales. It
would be no compensation for me to see a Cup when everything else had
gone.
--
Nigel Evans
 
 
 

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Post by Dick Jame » Wed, 13 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> Although I might even go so far as to agree there should be a penalty for
> gratuitous acts of ludicrous melodrama which attempt to gain an unfair
> advantage by simulating actual penalty offenes, none yet exists to my
> knowledge. Which rule did you have in mind for penalising hHaden in 1978?

The Misconduct and Dangerous Play law would seem to have been available
as a catch-all (and it does seem to be "all" - it includes "to commit
any misconduct on the playing area which is prejudicial to the spirit of
good sportsmanship". A bit like school teachers punishing pupils for
"dumb insolence" when they're doing and saying nothing.

Quote:
> High time for the European Super 16 competition then. I now have doubts about
> this concept as I think it would be far too beneficial for European rugby,
> but I'm probably perfectly safe as it is far too sensible to ever be adopted
> by the Postlethwaites and Smythe-Farqhuars who run British rugby.

You probably are safe but it's not the above named who are the problem
but the handful of rich men running a few, mainly English, clubs who are
bent on control care little for lesser clubs or the game in general. T

Dick James

 
 
 

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Post by ARF » Wed, 13 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>Although I might even go so far as to agree there should be a penalty for
>gratuitous acts of ludicrous melodrama which attempt to gain an unfair
>advantage by simulating actual penalty offenes, none yet exists to my
>knowledge. Which rule did you have in mind for penalising hHaden in 1978?

Not that I care much either way, but how about

Law 26: FOUL PLAY
Foul Play is any action by a player which is contrary to the letter and
spirit of the Game and includes obstruction, unfair play, misconduct,
dangerous play, unsporting behaviour, retaliation and repeated infringements
...
(2) It is illegal for any player:-
...
(j) To commit any misconduct on the playing area which may be prejudicial to
the spirit of good sportsmanship

[...]

Quote:
>but I'm probably perfectly safe as it is far too sensible to ever be
adopted
>by the Postlethwaites and Smythe-Farqhuars who run British rugby.

Watch it, you'll have the Celtic mafia after you.  The Postlethwaites and
Smythe-Farqhuars just run English rugby.  There are Llewellyn-Joneses,
McNoos, Pughs and such like to make a bollocks of the rest of British rugby.
I omit Irish rugby here in order to avoid provoking jkwill.

-- Andrew --

 
 
 

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Post by Peter.Rae.Wilmo » Wed, 13 Jan 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
>              It would be better for rugby in Wales if we were to fail
>miserably.

Forever the eternal pessimist!

Quote:
> Do you realise that Cardiff do not play Llanelli anymore ?

Who's fault is that?
Quote:
>That Neath against Aberavon is now an almost meaningless fixture ?

Ditto!

Quote:
> We
>have to return to our roots.

I never realised you were related to Alex Haley.

Quote:
> What would the be the point in Wales
>winning a silly ***y World Cup when all the good things associated
>with our game have been eradicated.

Now don't get carried away Nigel, there is a very slim chance of that
happening in the near future so you can continue to enjoy yourself by
wallowing in your pool of misery and pessimism.

Quote:
>              Attendances at rugby games are falling all the time. The
>prices of tickets are too high. It used to be that people would go to
>rugby matches without the least thought of about how much it would cost
>them. They attended in their thousands. Rugby is dying in Wales. It
>would be no compensation for me to see a Cup when everything else had
>gone.

You have a valid point so far as ticket prices are concerned but these
should bottom out when economic reality takes its course. You can still
see matches for the price of a program, car parking and reasonable bar
prices and many more people come and watch local matches in the South
East attracted by watching the Internationals and AD1 matches on
Skysports.
Why don't you come on down and join the New British League, seem some
real competition, develop your player base and see the likes of Cardiff
and maybe LLanelli stuff Gloucester and Bath on a regular basis.
Lazarus come forth!!

--
Peter.Rae.Wilmot

 
 
 

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Post by Bill Tayl » Thu, 14 Jan 1999 04:00:00

|> Alas no, not Ireland where grandfather Patrick John Boyd came from, Donegal to
|> be precise, nor even Scotland where grandfather Peter Sinclair came from,
|> Glascow to be equally precise.

Well all right then!   So precision is your aim, is it?

You'll be aware, or *should* be aware, that Donegal is a county, and
Glasgow is a city, to be precise.  And cities are in counties, but not
the other way round, (except that on rare occasions they may be precisely
the same; this does NOT apply to either Donegal or Glasgow).  That being so,
you were NOT being equally precise, as in your claim (interpreted precisely),
that by specifying the two you were being equally precise.

Indeed not; you were being more precise the second time, to be pr... specific.

OTOH, interpreting common idioms in their usual (but imprecise) way, you
probably meant "at least equally" when you said "equally".  But I would
have thought a precise poster like yourself would have risen to greater
precision than this common sloppy idiom allows.

The precise import of all this, is that there are a lot of anally precise
nitpickers here on Usenet, and if you're not precise enough, (especially
after a claim of precision), you'll find your imprecisions being very
precisely picked off at the drop of an "enter" key.

Is that precise enough for your?

Precisely.

================
Bitsnipping Bill
================

 
 
 

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Post by Ian Diddam » Thu, 14 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> Although I might even go so far as to agree there should be a penalty
> for
> gratuitous acts of ludicrous melodrama which attempt to gain an unfair
> advantage by simulating actual penalty offenes, none yet exists to my
> knowledge. Which rule did you have in mind for penalising hHaden in
> 1978?

I once played in a game where the ref penalised my fellow prop for
"ungentlemanly conduct" - whilst taking an age to get the ball in,
"right shoulders two inches, green back 6 inches" etc etc Rob had said
"Shall we have a cup of tea ref?".

W/O necessarily agreeing with the original poster Rick, what would say
was worse - Haden's attempted cheat, or Rob's facaetious question?

Merely for interest's sake you'll understand.

Quote:
> it is far too sensible to ever be adopted
> by the Postlethwaites and Smythe-Farqhuars who run British rugby.

I actually knew a pete Postlethwaite that ran a (social) rugby club..!!

--
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Post by rick boy » Sat, 16 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Quote:


> > Although I might even go so far as to agree there should be a penalty for
> > gratuitous acts of ludicrous melodrama which attempt to gain an unfair
> > advantage by simulating actual penalty offenes, none yet exists to my
> > knowledge. Which rule did you have in mind for penalising hHaden in 1978?

> The Misconduct and Dangerous Play law would seem to have been available
> as a catch-all (and it does seem to be "all" - it includes "to commit
> any misconduct on the playing area which is prejudicial to the spirit of
> good sportsmanship". A bit like school teachers punishing pupils for
> "dumb insolence" when they're doing and saying nothing.

Yeah, fair enough, I'll pay that one.

On the other hand, Wheel was also trying to gain an unfair advantage by jumping off
Oliver's shoulder so maybe the ref could have decided which was worse, the foul
play or the ungentlemanly conduct, or which came first, or maybe just ignored them
both.

Who knows. Maybe one of the reffing fraternity will tell us what they would have
done.

-- Rick Boyd

Perth-Bayswater Rugby Union Football Club, Western Australia
club homepage: http://www.wt.com.au/~boyd/perth-baysw.htm

 
 
 

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Post by rick boy » Sat, 16 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Quote:


> |> Alas no, not Ireland where grandfather Patrick John Boyd came from, Donegal to
> |> be precise, nor even Scotland where grandfather Peter Sinclair came from,
> |> Glascow to be equally precise.

> Well all right then!   So precision is your aim, is it?

> You'll be aware, or *should* be aware, that Donegal is a county, and
> Glasgow is a city, to be precise.

Slow day in the maths dept is it Bill? I know the feeling, Just as I was looking out
the window drinking my nine***th cup of tea, in between writing a report on the
safety implications of left-handed wurgling pins, I thought to myself "I wonder
whether or not counties can be precisely compared to cities, particularly when a
person comes from a city which is undoubtedly a lot more famous than whatever
county/shire/borough/wapentake it may or may not be in, and another person comes from
a village, or indeed a farm near a village, which is much easier identified by its
location in a county?" Then  I thought, "what about the life cycle of the Lesser
Spotted Vermillion-Testicled Earwig? Isn't that more interesting than counties and
cities?" Then I thought, "let me count the ways that Bill Taylor is certifiably
insane". And do you know, I only got as far as several hundred trillion before I lost
count. Funny old world isn't it? Ninkle ninkle.

-- R ick Boyd

Perth-Bayswater Rugby Union Football Club, Western Australia
club homepage: http://SportToday.org/~boyd/perth-baysw.htm

 
 
 

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Post by Ian Diddam » Sat, 16 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> On the other hand, Wheel was also trying to gain an unfair advantage by jumping off
> Oliver's shoulder so maybe the ref could have decided which was worse, the foul
> play or the ungentlemanly conduct, or which came first, or maybe just ignored them
> both.

> Who knows. Maybe one of the reffing fraternity will tell us what they would have
> done.

Maybe it just copmes down the alleged "pick any of several violations"
that the "old" lineouts suffered...

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Post by Paul Wai » Sat, 16 Jan 1999 04:00:00



Quote:

>Maybe it just copmes down the alleged "pick any of several violations"
>that the "old" lineouts suffered...

...and that the new ones do, now that players have
learned enough about how to infringe in them. :)

Same old story, just higher in the air.

Cheers,
Paul.
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