A few comments on today's games

A few comments on today's games

Post by Brian Devereu » Sun, 07 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Wales vss France:

The first half was the finest exhibition of running rugby in a
competitive international game I have seen.   Jenkins had his finest
game in a Welsh No 10 shirt while his kicking game deserted him a
little. The Quinnells were fabulous but Charvis and Howley were sublime.
The Welsh won quick ruck ball, stabilized their scrum and finally
realized that if your best and only option is Wyatt in the line-out, you
should keep using it.

Casteignede was brilliant but the French wingers were vulnerable and the
Welsh streched them and deserved their win. There were magnificent
tries; it was a great game. It had everything.

The Ireland/England match was another world.  England totally dominated
Ireland in a match that must have bored the arse off most neutral
observers.  The score fails to relect their superiority. The English
back-five was fabulous and overwhelmed us; they won clean, quick ball
with Bracken marshalling an outstanding display of structured,
dominating rugby.  Technically, it was masterful. It isn't pretty but it
is tough to counter. Ireland could not get the ball and when we did we
were ugly.  

England's game reminds me more and more of RL with their back-row and
even their backs so quick to secure possion and recycle/restart quickly
while constantly probing the same side again and again.  Their defense
which is superbly organized will give them a good shot at the big
tournament later this year.  England will be tough to beat.

The game against Wales gave me some concerns about our ability to get to
the breakdown quickly and in numbers. Ireland were laboured, pedantic,
predictable in everything they did.  We never looked like breaking the
English cover to score a try.  There were no mistakes to feed off and
Humphrey aside, we lack the creativity to penetrate a defence of
Egland's quality.

Costello was atrocious at the base of the scrum. What was the tactic
holding the ball at the base of the scrum supposed to accomplish?  Why
were England permitted to poach unsecured ball time and again. England
was technically way ahead of us up front at ruck time.

Conor McGuinness is simply too slow for this level.  He is gutsy but
Humphreys, who played as well as could be expected except for his
pathetic restarts (why is this so ***ing difficult for him???), and
Ireland need better service.

Ward hasn't got the pace for a modern open-side but he also played
poorly.  O'Cuinnegain has a fine game and I would favor switching
positions with Ward.

Early in the second half, a stat flashed on the screen shoing that we
had only won 50% of our own line-out ball. Wood and his jumpers were out
of synch.

Congratulations England -- you stuffed us.

When England scored, Humphrey's pathetic restarts gave Irish forwards no
chance to secure possesion.

 
 
 

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Post by Bryan M. Case » Sun, 07 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

<snip F vs. W>
> The Ireland/England match was another world.  England totally dominated
> Ireland in a match that must have bored the arse off most neutral
> observers.  The score fails to relect their superiority. The English
> back-five was fabulous and overwhelmed us; they won clean, quick ball
> with Bracken marshalling an outstanding display of structured,
> dominating rugby.  Technically, it was masterful. It isn't pretty but it
> is tough to counter. Ireland could not get the ball and when we did we
> were ugly.

Bang on. Upfront it was always going to be Ireland's front-five vs
England's back five. Rodber and Dallaglio were outstanding.

Quote:

> England's game reminds me more and more of RL with their back-row and
> even their backs so quick to secure possion and recycle/restart quickly
> while constantly probing the same side again and again.  Their defense
> which is superbly organized will give them a good shot at the big
> tournament later this year.  England will be tough to beat.

It was like a RL format wasn't it. England's 3 changes,
Bracken/Grayson/Perry came up big. Wilkinson is devastating in the
tackle and direct going forward. It is hard to believe it is only his
2nd 5N game.

Quote:

> The game against Wales gave me some concerns about our ability to get to
> the breakdown quickly and in numbers. Ireland were laboured, pedantic,
> predictable in everything they did.  We never looked like breaking the
> English cover to score a try.  There were no mistakes to feed off and
> Humphrey aside, we lack the creativity to penetrate a defence of
> Egland's quality.

All Ireland did was bang away up the middle at a blanket defence.
Except of course Henderson who dragged the man-and-ball up the middle.
Whoever stopped Connor O'Shea's  mighty hurdling to the try line won the
game for England at a crucial time.

Quote:

> Costello was atrocious at the base of the scrum. What was the tactic
> holding the ball at the base of the scrum supposed to accomplish?  Why
> were England permitted to poach unsecured ball time and again. England
> was technically way ahead of us up front at ruck time.

I am afraid Victor lapsed into the bad old days. Bracken just
judo-throwed him every time!.

Quote:

> Conor McGuinness is simply too slow for this level.  He is gutsy but
> Humphreys, who played as well as could be expected except for his
> pathetic restarts (why is this so ***ing difficult for him???), and
> Ireland need better service.

The difference in class between he and Bracken was self evident......and
Bracken is Irish for fecks sake. A bit *** Humphries, but yes his
decision making was as poor as it was good against Wales. His five out
of six strike rate kept Ireland in the game at 15-20 with minutes
remaining.

Quote:

> Ward hasn't got the pace for a modern open-side but he also played
> poorly.  O'Cuinnegain has a fine game and I would favor switching
> positions with Ward.

Ward was dreadful. His 'pass' to Bracken not acceptable at this level.

Quote:

> Early in the second half, a stat flashed on the screen shoing that we
> had only won 50% of our own line-out ball. Wood and his jumpers were out
> of synch.

I am afraid the 'Scud' was not firing on all cylinders today. Some poor
throws cost Ireland 50+ yards, attacking positions, turnovers etc.
Quote:

> Congratulations England -- you stuffed us.

Ireland made a game of it in the 2nd half, could have nicked it even.
Why England did not cash in on their *** is a mystery.
--

 
 
 

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Post by Albert Baue » Mon, 08 Mar 1999 04:00:00

    Did anybody rate Paddy O'Brian as a world class referee today talk
        about inconsistant ,re Rodbers yellow card  and then Woods
        elbows in the kipper , knees up charge. A very good display by
England
        ,but ,let's not forget we need to concentrate on the next game and
not
        get complacent with the Wales victory over France.

            I feel a grand slam comming on

Quote:


><snip F vs. W>
>> The Ireland/England match was another world.  England totally dominated
>> Ireland in a match that must have bored the arse off most neutral
>> observers.  The score fails to relect their superiority. The English
>> back-five was fabulous and overwhelmed us; they won clean, quick ball
>> with Bracken marshalling an outstanding display of structured,
>> dominating rugby.  Technically, it was masterful. It isn't pretty but it
>> is tough to counter. Ireland could not get the ball and when we did we
>> were ugly.

>Bang on. Upfront it was always going to be Ireland's front-five vs
>England's back five. Rodber and Dallaglio were outstanding.

>> England's game reminds me more and more of RL with their back-row and
>> even their backs so quick to secure possion and recycle/restart quickly
>> while constantly probing the same side again and again.  Their defense
>> which is superbly organized will give them a good shot at the big
>> tournament later this year.  England will be tough to beat.

>It was like a RL format wasn't it. England's 3 changes,
>Bracken/Grayson/Perry came up big. Wilkinson is devastating in the
>tackle and direct going forward. It is hard to believe it is only his
>2nd 5N game.

>> The game against Wales gave me some concerns about our ability to get to
>> the breakdown quickly and in numbers. Ireland were laboured, pedantic,
>> predictable in everything they did.  We never looked like breaking the
>> English cover to score a try.  There were no mistakes to feed off and
>> Humphrey aside, we lack the creativity to penetrate a defence of
>> Egland's quality.

>All Ireland did was bang away up the middle at a blanket defence.
>Except of course Henderson who dragged the man-and-ball up the middle.
>Whoever stopped Connor O'Shea's  mighty hurdling to the try line won the
>game for England at a crucial time.

>> Costello was atrocious at the base of the scrum. What was the tactic
>> holding the ball at the base of the scrum supposed to accomplish?  Why
>> were England permitted to poach unsecured ball time and again. England
>> was technically way ahead of us up front at ruck time.

>I am afraid Victor lapsed into the bad old days. Bracken just
>judo-throwed him every time!.

>> Conor McGuinness is simply too slow for this level.  He is gutsy but
>> Humphreys, who played as well as could be expected except for his
>> pathetic restarts (why is this so ***ing difficult for him???), and
>> Ireland need better service.

>The difference in class between he and Bracken was self evident......and
>Bracken is Irish for fecks sake. A bit *** Humphries, but yes his
>decision making was as poor as it was good against Wales. His five out
>of six strike rate kept Ireland in the game at 15-20 with minutes
>remaining.

>> Ward hasn't got the pace for a modern open-side but he also played
>> poorly.  O'Cuinnegain has a fine game and I would favor switching
>> positions with Ward.

>Ward was dreadful. His 'pass' to Bracken not acceptable at this level.

>> Early in the second half, a stat flashed on the screen shoing that we
>> had only won 50% of our own line-out ball. Wood and his jumpers were out
>> of synch.

>I am afraid the 'Scud' was not firing on all cylinders today. Some poor
>throws cost Ireland 50+ yards, attacking positions, turnovers etc.

>> Congratulations England -- you stuffed us.

>Ireland made a game of it in the 2nd half, could have nicked it even.
>Why England did not cash in on their *** is a mystery.
>--


 
 
 

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Post by Tom Joyc » Mon, 08 Mar 1999 04:00:00


: Bang on. Upfront it was always going to be Ireland's front-five vs
: England's back five. Rodber and Dallaglio were outstanding.

I was going to comment on Victor here, but as he's entioned later in the
post...

: >
: > England's game reminds me more and more of RL with their back-row and
: > even their backs so quick to secure possion and recycle/restart quickly
: > while constantly probing the same side again and again.  Their defense
: > which is superbly organized will give them a good shot at the big
: > tournament later this year.  England will be tough to beat.

: It was like a RL format wasn't it. England's 3 changes,
: Bracken/Grayson/Perry came up big. Wilkinson is devastating in the
: tackle and direct going forward. It is hard to believe it is only his
: 2nd 5N game.

And I can't believe even the English selection poicy will be quite barmy
enough not to see him playing all the way to the WC (injury permitting).
He was always sold as an exciting attacker, but his defence was superb...
one tackle when he stopped Woody dead in his tracks (no mean feat for a
forward, let alone one of the girls) springs particularly to mind.
<snip>
: > Costello was atrocious at the base of the scrum. What was the tactic
: > holding the ball at the base of the scrum supposed to accomplish?  Why
: > were England permitted to poach unsecured ball time and again. England
: > was technically way ahead of us up front at ruck time.
: I am afraid Victor lapsed into the bad old days. Bracken just
: judo-throwed him every time!.

The differene when Miller came on was very defined... I actually expected
a substitution at half time.

: > Conor McGuinness is simply too slow for this level.  He is gutsy but
: > Humphreys, who played as well as could be expected except for his
: > pathetic restarts (why is this so ***ing difficult for him???), and
: > Ireland need better service.
: The difference in class between he and Bracken was self evident......and
: Bracken is Irish for fecks sake.

Who else is there. I often wonder what ever happened to Chris Saverimuto
(sp?) who was the big prospect at s-h a few years back.

: A bit *** Humphries, but yes his
: decision making was as poor as it was good against Wales. His five out
: of six strike rate kept Ireland in the game at 15-20 with minutes
: remaining.

It's easier to make decisions when you've got all the time in the world
because your pack has knocked the oppo a few yards back down the pitch...

: >
: > Ward hasn't got the pace for a modern open-side but he also played
: > poorly.  O'Cuinnegain has a fine game and I would favor switching
: > positions with Ward.
: Ward was dreadful. His 'pass' to Bracken not acceptable at this level.

It hurt me to watch that.

: > Early in the second half, a stat flashed on the screen shoing that we
: > had only won 50% of our own line-out ball. Wood and his jumpers were out
: > of synch.
: I am afraid the 'Scud' was not firing on all cylinders today. Some poor
: throws cost Ireland 50+ yards, attacking positions, turnovers etc.

Why couldn't he have had an off throwing day against Wales when we could
have dealt with it (as they weren't even trying to get our ball) instead
of against probably the best lineout of our 5N opposition. 8-(

: > Congratulations England -- you stuffed us.
: Ireland made a game of it in the 2nd half, could have nicked it even.
: Why England did not cash in on their *** is a mystery.

While the England pack played very well at hitting us at pace at the
breakdown they weren't as ble to control the setpiece from a static
start... look at the lineouts just outside our tryline. While they were
the better pack on the day pushing the Irish pack around isn't easy for
anyone (thank God).

--
toodle pip,
           Tom

Time flies like an arrow : Fruit flies like a banana

 
 
 

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Post by Gary Thompso » Mon, 08 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>Wales vss France:

>The first half was the finest exhibition of running rugby in a
>competitive international game I have seen.   Jenkins had his finest
>game in a Welsh No 10 shirt while his kicking game deserted him a
>little. The Quinnells were fabulous but Charvis and Howley were sublime.
>The Welsh won quick ruck ball, stabilized their scrum and finally
>realized that if your best and only option is Wyatt in the line-out, you
>should keep using it.

A good exhibition of running rugby yes - but at times I gotthe impression
I was watching 7's with 15 men. The defence of both teams was
terrible. At one point the welsh commentator said the French are allowing
wales to play rugby not like Scottland or Ireland. Translation: we don't
have to worry about being tackled by the french, not like those unsporting
Scots and Irish.  

Quote:
>Casteignede was brilliant but the French wingers were vulnerable and the
>Welsh streched them and deserved their win. There were magnificent
>tries; it was a great game. It had everything.

Except for forwards and hard tackling.

Quote:

>The Ireland/England match was another world.  England totally dominated
>Ireland in a match that must have bored the arse off most neutral
>observers.  The score fails to relect their superiority. The English
>back-five was fabulous and overwhelmed us; they won clean, quick ball
>with Bracken marshalling an outstanding display of structured,
>dominating rugby.

Yeap Ireland looked flat and came out firing on one cylinder. As expected
when ever Ireland s expected to do well they don't. The Irish did the
English a favour by making every move so obvious esp the pick up and drive
by the #8.

Technically, it was masterful. It isn't pretty but it

Quote:
>is tough to counter. Ireland could not get the ball and when we did we
>were ugly.  

>England's game reminds me more and more of RL with their back-row and
>even their backs so quick to secure possion and recycle/restart quickly
>while constantly probing the same side again and again.  Their defense
>which is superbly organized will give them a good shot at the big
>tournament later this year.  England will be tough to beat.

I'd say England will beat both France and Wales - unless of course there
another agreement made whereby you can't tackle the man with the ball.
 
 
 

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Post by Nigel Evan » Mon, 08 Mar 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
>Why England did not cash in on their *** is a mystery.

          No, it isn't a mystery. The English backs cannot play the
game. England rely purely on their forwards. They have nothing else.
--
Nigel Evans        http://SportToday.org/
                          The slowest site on Earth !
 
 
 

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Post by Steve Bloome » Mon, 08 Mar 1999 04:00:00



...snip..

Quote:
>Costello was atrocious at the base of the scrum. What was the tactic
>holding the ball at the base of the scrum supposed to accomplish?  Why
>were England permitted to poach unsecured ball time and again. England
>was technically way ahead of us up front at ruck time.

 I thought Costello was great against the French...so did Larder I
reckon 'cos Bracken ..Back and Grayson looked very well rehearsed in
sticking him on the floor.Unfortunately for Ireland Costello didn't seem
to have the ability to slip the ball before he was tackled.

Quote:
>Conor McGuinness is simply too slow for this level.  He is gutsy but
>Humphreys, who played as well as could be expected except for his
>pathetic restarts (why is this so ***ing difficult for him???), and
>Ireland need better service.

>Ward hasn't got the pace for a modern open-side but he also played
>poorly.  O'Cuinnegain has a fine game and I would favor switching
>positions with Ward.

 This may be so..it seems to me Irelands best attacking moves have come
through bursting through the centre..Garry Owens..and Wood turning up in
unexpected places and attacking the line like a man possesed.
  In the middle of the pitch England were tackling the ball carrier with
3 men so not much change out of that.
  Perry had a good game under high ball.
And Wood was a marked man..both Rodber and Wilkinson saved their best
hits for him.

Quote:
>Early in the second half, a stat flashed on the screen shoing that we
>had only won 50% of our own line-out ball. Wood and his jumpers were out
>of synch.

 Yeah..I expected the Irish lineout to be a strong point..but they
looked like they've been following the Welsh training videos :)

Quote:
>Congratulations England -- you stuffed us.

 I wish..I would say that England subdued and contained Ireland..but a
combination of stuborn Irish defence and a lack of sharpness in Englands
attack meant Ireland were in with a chance for the whole game.

 What do you reckon to Irelands prospects against Scotland ?

 Steve

 
 
 

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Post by Jon » Mon, 08 Mar 1999 04:00:00

No-one has mentioned Clohessy's disgusting raking of Cokerills head. An
unforgivable act even amongst fellow front row forwards. It was interesting
to note that he was substituted within seconds of the act, which made it
even more cowardly and pre-meditated. He should be cited, and banned for a
substantial period. There can be no defence for that type of action in the
modern game of rugby, regardless of who was doing it.
 
 
 

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Post by Bryan M. Case » Mon, 08 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:



> >Why England did not cash in on their *** is a mystery.

>           No, it isn't a mystery. The English backs cannot play the
> game. England rely purely on their forwards. They have nothing else.
> --

Don't know about that Nigel. Bracken gave the best performance at no.9
by anyone in the opening 3 week-ends. Grayson was quietly effective and
relentlesley punished Ireland with his long raking kicks to the corners.
Wilkinson had a super game. Guscott was quiet. The two wings, Rees and
Luger never slipped the shackles but were always looking to attack.
Perry finished off his try with great confidence. As a unit their
defence was impregnable, taking down Henderson and Maggs sometimes two
or three at a time.  England's backs have yet to cut loose in 1999.  It
could be coming Wales way at Wembley. Its on a Sunday, so take yourself
and the dog to Chapel.

--

 
 
 

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Post by John Hi » Mon, 08 Mar 1999 04:00:00

On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:01:42 +0000, Nigel Evans

Quote:

>          No, it isn't a mystery. The English backs cannot play the
>game. England rely purely on their forwards. They have nothing else.

Ah talking that well known language of total nonsense again. England
lack a class 10 at the moment. If France give us the space the wing
nut got just watch Wilkinson, guscott and Luger carve it up.
You really need a new white stick Boyo
 
 
 

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Post by Nigel Evan » Mon, 08 Mar 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
>Ah talking that well known language of total nonsense again. England
>lack a class 10 at the moment. If France give us the space the wing
>nut got just watch Wilkinson, guscott and Luger carve it up.
>You really need a new white stick Boyo

              Please make a start on excuses for your defeat by the
French. You have dug a nice big hole for yourself. Luger tried to dig a
hole for himself on Saturday. He fell down and tried to bury the ball in
the ground using his face as a pile-driver. It was his turn first to be
the new wonderboy of English rugby. Now, you have somebody else ! In
truth, you have Guscott and a bunch of fools. England beat Scotland
narrowly. They beat a very poor Irish side unconvincingly. Your next two
games will result in heavy defeats and it's only a matter of time before
you are asking for a new coach. Don't believe me ? Try asking the New
Zealand supporters. They'll tell you I'm right.
--
Nigel Evans        Http://www.bleddfa.demon.co.uk
                          The slowest site on Earth !
 
 
 

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Post by William Cla » Mon, 08 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Quote:



>>Ah talking that well known language of total nonsense again. England
>>lack a class 10 at the moment. If France give us the space the wing
>>nut got just watch Wilkinson, guscott and Luger carve it up.
>>You really need a new white stick Boyo

>              Please make a start on excuses for your defeat by the
>French. You have dug a nice big hole for yourself. Luger tried to dig a
>hole for himself on Saturday. He fell down and tried to bury the ball in
>the ground using his face as a pile-driver. It was his turn first to be
>the new wonderboy of English rugby. Now, you have somebody else ! In
>truth, you have Guscott and a bunch of fools. England beat Scotland
>narrowly. They beat a very poor Irish side unconvincingly. Your next two
>games will result in heavy defeats and it's only a matter of time before
>you are asking for a new coach. Don't believe me ? Try asking the New
>Zealand supporters. They'll tell you I'm right.
>--
>Nigel Evans        Http://www.bleddfa.demon.co.uk
>                          The slowest site on Earth !

Good heavan's, it's been so long that I had forgotten the sound of a
Welshman crowing after a victory! Enjoy a great win, in terrific style
(you see, I'm really not prejudiced), because it may all come tumbling
down again. Meanwhile, could somebody teach the French how to tackle?

William Clark

 
 
 

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Post by John Hi » Tue, 09 Mar 1999 04:00:00

On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 19:54:36 +0000, Nigel Evans

Quote:



>>Ah talking that well known language of total nonsense again. England
>>lack a class 10 at the moment. If France give us the space the wing
>>nut got just watch Wilkinson, guscott and Luger carve it up.
>>You really need a new white stick Boyo

>              Please make a start on excuses for your defeat by the
>French. You have dug a nice big hole for yourself. Luger tried to dig a
>hole for himself on Saturday. He fell down and tried to bury the ball in
>the ground using his face as a pile-driver. It was his turn first to be
>the new wonderboy of English rugby. Now, you have somebody else ! In
>truth, you have Guscott and a bunch of fools. England beat Scotland
>narrowly.

This is the Scotland that beat er ......Wales

They beat a very poor Irish side unconvincingly.
The Irish side that beat Wales,er Wales and took France to the wire
yep - very er "poor"

 Your next two

Quote:
>games will result in heavy defeats and it's only a matter of time before
>you are asking for a new coach

Another Kiwi like 20% of the Wales team. Without Howarth's counter
attacks and Sinkinson cleaning up Wales would still have been crap.
ho's Henry getting next an Auckland 2 jumper.

. Don't believe me ? Try asking the New

Quote:
>Zealand supporters. They'll tell you I'm right.

Yep and they were watching their team on Saturday. Watch the wingnut
get tightened up in just 4 weeks.
You even had to leave Wales to get a stadium to play in.