Llanelli vs NZ result

Llanelli vs NZ result

Post by Paul Wai » Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:00:00




Quote:

>>Any one who thinks they can judge the AB's on the strength of
>>that really are deluding themselves. With all respect to the
>>Scarlets, I do not think they are quite at the top of the
>>UK game at the minute.  But delude yourselves if you must.
>>The real action is yet to come and a lot will have been
>>learned from that one.

>That may well be the case, but are you admitting that you learn
>from the Antipodeans how to play your own game? Or do you mean
>that we have learned something?  :-)

New Zealand supporters would do well to reflect on the 1993 tour
of England and Scotland. On 20th November that year Laurie Mains'
All Blacks visited Murrayfield and crushed Scotland there 51-15,
in a marvellous display of running rugby.

With a team packed full of stars, and a seemingly irresistable
fast, open, running style, the press gave England no chance.

The very next week, the All Blacks visited Twickenham, and their
expansive game was nullified by a committed English side which
deservedly beat them 15-9.

I'm aware of the differences this time. A much stronger team and
coaching effort mean we have a far more stable platform. Law changes
and refereeing interpretations have also helped to support the
running game, and ensure there is less chance of an 'upset'.

However it would behove All Black fans, to be more humble in the
way they voice their support, and celebrate their victories.

Why? Well, in the first place it gains respect - the same kind of
respect that the All Blacks themselves earn with their performances.
In the second place, all you have to do is think on the meaning
of the old saying: "Pride Goes Before a Fall".

Cheers,
Paul.
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Post by Neal1 » Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>That may well be the case, but are you admitting that you learn from the
>Antipodeans
>how to play your own game? Or do you mean that we have learned something?
>:-)

No I mean we have seen your game in our conditions  and after a cuople more
 will know how to handle you. You will have seen Englands team selection for
 the Aussies by now. Woodward is being Brave and picking form players not
 names. It may not come off against the Aussies but it is you we want. Beating
 a second rate Welsh team has taught you nothing but has shown us several
 things I am sure.

 
 
 

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Post by msr.. » Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:00:00



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Quote:
> New Zealand supporters would do well to reflect on the 1993 tour
> of England and Scotland. On 20th November that year Laurie Mains'
> All Blacks visited Murrayfield and crushed Scotland there 51-15,
> in a marvellous display of running rugby.

Mains couldn't organise a piss-up in a welsh brewery,
even if Suzie brought along the glasses and an opener.

Quote:
> With a team packed full of stars, and a seemingly irresistable
> fast, open, running style, the press gave England no chance.

Rumour has it that Suzie cleaned out the bookies!

Quote:
> The very next week, the All Blacks visited Twickenham, and their
> expansive game was nullified by a committed English side which
> deservedly beat them 15-9.

Look Paul, I have deliberately expunged this game from my memory
with the help of Lion Red (so good, it's a pity it isn't blue).
Now that you have reminded me again, I think John Ross & Gordon
just might point that out to the players.

Quote:
> I'm aware of the differences this time. A much stronger team and
> coaching effort mean we have a far more stable platform. Law changes
> and refereeing interpretations have also helped to support the
> running game, and ensure there is less chance of an 'upset'.

> However it would behove All Black fans, to be more humble in the
> way they voice their support, and celebrate their victories.

Hmm, perhaps we could have an "All Black humble supporter's club"
mutually exclusive terms?

Quote:
> Why? Well, in the first place it gains respect - the same kind of
> respect that the All Blacks themselves earn with their performances.
> In the second place, all you have to do is think on the meaning
> of the old saying: "Pride Goes Before a Fall".

> Cheers,
> Paul.

Agreed, yep, all of that, except I heard from the girls that you
won't find an Englishman who respects you in the morning.

Cheers :-)
Maxwell

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Post by sbb » Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:00:00

yes you are correct.  My apologies.  Llanelli played hard the whole game,
they just could not match the power of the All Black game.

SBB



Quote:

> >I watched the game live here in NZ.  I would be surprised if Llanelli
could
> >beat a second division team here in NZ.  What a bunch of wallies

> Hey, that's a bit unfair, Llanelli is only a club side, not a selection,
or wot we
> call provincial. Not wallies at all.

> The ABs would also make mincemeat of any NZ club side, & you wouldn't get
13,800 kiwis
> out of the pub on saturday night to watch it.

> However, it will be nice to see a full strength AB side in action,

considering we were
Quote:
> below strength at 1st 5 and one of the wings.

> Nigel was right about the playing time though, there were many who left
for the pub
> early.

> cheers
> Maxwell

 
 
 

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Post by Stephen B Hod » Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:00:00

: >That may well be the case, but are you admitting that you learn from the
: >Antipodeans
: >how to play your own game? Or do you mean that we have learned something?
: >:-)
:
: No I mean we have seen your game in our conditions  and after a cuople more
:  will know how to handle you. You will have seen Englands team selection for
:  the Aussies by now. Woodward is being Brave and picking form players not
:  names. It may not come off against the Aussies but it is you we want. Beating
:  a second rate Welsh team has taught you nothing but has shown us several
:  things I am sure.

What, like you're going to half to use two players to mark each of Cullen,
Wilson and Lomu (if he plays)? :-)

--
 Steve Hodge

 Computer Science Dept, University of Waikato,
 Hamilton, New Zealand

 
 
 

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Post by Gary » Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Quote:




>>>Any one who thinks they can judge the AB's on the strength of
>>>that really are deluding themselves. With all respect to the
>>>Scarlets, I do not think they are quite at the top of the
>>>UK game at the minute.  But delude yourselves if you must.
>>>The real action is yet to come and a lot will have been
>>>learned from that one.

>>That may well be the case, but are you admitting that you learn
>>from the Antipodeans how to play your own game? Or do you mean
>>that we have learned something?  :-)

>New Zealand supporters would do well to reflect on the 1993 tour
>of England and Scotland. On 20th November that year Laurie Mains'
>All Blacks visited Murrayfield and crushed Scotland there 51-15,
>in a marvellous display of running rugby.

>With a team packed full of stars, and a seemingly irresistable
>fast, open, running style, the press gave England no chance.

>The very next week, the All Blacks visited Twickenham, and their
>expansive game was nullified by a committed English side which
>deservedly beat them 15-9.

>I'm aware of the differences this time. A much stronger team and
>coaching effort mean we have a far more stable platform. Law changes
>and refereeing interpretations have also helped to support the
>running game, and ensure there is less chance of an 'upset'.

>However it would behove All Black fans, to be more humble in the
>way they voice their support, and celebrate their victories.

>Why? Well, in the first place it gains respect - the same kind of
>respect that the All Blacks themselves earn with their performances.
>In the second place, all you have to do is think on the meaning
>of the old saying: "Pride Goes Before a Fall".

>Cheers,
>Paul.
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To true Paul - once again you are the father like figure for the NZ posters the
voice of reason.  All I can add to this it was only a couple of years ago when
everyone was saying we were unbeatable Kiwi fans had booked tickets to go and see
the Webb Ellis trophy (sledge hammers and all) and we all know the rest.
 
 
 

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Post by Paul Wai » Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>No I mean we have seen your game in our conditions and
>after a cuople more will know how to handle you.

This is a nice theory, and it worked well in 1993 as I mentioned
in another post on this thread. However there are three important
differences between then and now.

First of all, the Mains style was VERY one-dimensional and
rigid. England nullified it well that time and deserved to win.
This All Black side is not in the same mould at all. It has the
capability to adapt and I believe that 'analysing' them on video
will not enable England to nullify them this time around.

Secondly, this side is far more skilful across the board than
the one which you saw in 1993, and when the NZ Barbarians visited.

Thirdly and finally, the law changes and the interpretations of
referees now lend themselves to the high-octane game that the
All Blacks play better than anyone else currently. As a result
the game rewards quick ball-in-hand rugby more than ever before,
and it makes it harder for a team to win simply by shutting the
opposition down. It can still be done, but it is very much harder
than previously. In short it means that, to win, you also usually
have to play that same kind of rugby.

Quote:
> You will have seen Englands team selection for
> the Aussies by now. Woodward is being Brave and picking form
> players not names. It may not come off against the Aussies but
> it is you we want.

Actually I think Woodward *is* being brave. Some might even say
foolhardy. We'll see what kind of coach he is after they have
played the Wallabies. I hope he sticks largely with his initial
team and allows them time to get it together. If he makes another
round of changes after the first test, then you can kiss success
goodbye I suspect. It will be hard enough as it is with the
sweeping changes he has already made.

Quote:
> Beating a second rate Welsh team has taught
> you nothing but has shown us several things I am sure.

Be assured that John Hart doesn't consider that match anything
other than a very pleasant shake-down which blew away the
cobwebs.

As to showing you anything, well watching and observing how
quick and skilful a player can be is one thing, but stopping them
doing what they do for 80 minutes is quite another. :)

England may indeed get up to beat the All Blacks, however I doubt
that it is as simple as studying a few videos, making some notes
and then going out and "handling" them. :)

Cheers,
Paul.
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Post by Paul Wai » Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:00:00



Quote:


>> The very next week, the All Blacks visited Twickenham, and their
>> expansive game was nullified by a committed English side which
>> deservedly beat them 15-9.
>Look Paul, I have deliberately expunged this game from my memory
>with the help of Lion Red (so good, it's a pity it isn't blue).

Me too - an upsetting day that was and no mistake. The World Cup
went a good way to redressing the balance, but even so that isn't
quite the same as beating them at Twickers is it?

I'm expecting the first test at Old Trafford to be a torrid
affair. The lads will be pretty keyed up and nervous. For their
part England will no doubt be fired up too. I expect the World
Cup might be in their minds more than a little beforehand.

Cheers,
Paul.
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Post by Neal1 » Thu, 13 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>England may indeed get up to beat the All Blacks, however I doubt
>that it is as simple as studying a few videos, making some notes
>and then going out and "handling" them. :)

No  but  we are heartily sick of you attitude and bad manners. That will make a
 difference.
 
 
 

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Post by Paul Wai » Thu, 13 Nov 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>>England may indeed get up to beat the All Blacks, however I doubt
>>that it is as simple as studying a few videos, making some notes
>>and then going out and "handling" them. :)
>No  but  we are heartily sick of you attitude and bad manners.

          ^^
The "Royal We" is it?
And just who is "you" in this context?

Quote:
>That will make a difference.

I don't concur.

I respectfully suggest that you go out and get yourself a
spellchecker, and a perspective, in that order.

Cheers,
Paul.
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Post by Blair M. Roger » Thu, 13 Nov 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
> >England may indeed get up to beat the All Blacks, however I doubt
> >that it is as simple as studying a few videos, making some notes
> >and then going out and "handling" them. :)

> No  but  we are heartily sick of you attitude and bad manners. That will
make a
>  difference.

Sorry, shoosh everyone we mustn't upset Neal. He finds it to hard to
concentrate when we do.
 
 
 

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Post by Neal1 » Thu, 13 Nov 1997 04:00:00

No, I had had several beers and I am afraid spelling goes out the window. Still
 it is interesting to see what sort of thing amuses the SH mind.