NPC RESULTS AND POINTS TABLES (Round 5)

NPC RESULTS AND POINTS TABLES (Round 5)

Post by Paul Kenda » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00


DIVISION ONE:

Canterbury           12    Auckland          10    (HT:6-7)
North Harbour        54    Northland         25    (HT:25-3)
Counties-Manukau     25    Otago             38    (HT:10-17)
Taranaki             15    Wellington        21    (HT:9-5)
Southland            13    Waikato           20    (HT:13-7)

Points:

Auckland       20
Otago          20
Canterbury     19
Waikato        19
Wellington     14
North Harbour  11
Counties        6
Taranaki        6
Northland       6
Southland       3

DIVISION TWO:

Manawatu             17    Bay Of Plenty      6    (HT:0-0)
Nelson Bays          35    Thames Valley     19    (HT:18-0)
Mid Canterbury       19    Wanganui          13    (HT:13-13)
Hawke's Bay          15    King Country      17    (HT:5-7)
Marlborough bye      

Points:

Nelson Bays    18*
Manawatu       14
Bay Of Plenty  13*
Wanganui       11*
Thames Valley  10
King Country   10*
Hawke's Bay     9
Mid Canterbury  8
Marlborough     4*

* Played only 4 games

DIVISION THREE:

East Coast        10    Poverty Bay          15    (HT:3-10)
Buller            10    Wairarapa-Bush       41    (HT:3-20)
West Coast        29    Horowhenua-Kapiti     5    (HT:9-5)
North Otago       17    South Canterbury     19    (HT:7-19)

Points:

North Otago    15
West Coast     13
South Canty    13
Poverty Bay    11
East Coast     11
Horo-Kapiti     8
Wairarapa-Bush  5
Buller          1

--
Paul

 
 
 

NPC RESULTS AND POINTS TABLES (Round 5)

Post by Rout » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> DIVISION ONE:

Yawn, roll on Rugby World Cup.

The NPC hasn't exactly caught my imagination this year. The NRL is better
viewing by miles, at the moment.

-- Route

 
 
 

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Post by The Elson » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Quote:


>> DIVISION ONE:

>Yawn, roll on Rugby World Cup.

>The NPC hasn't exactly caught my imagination this year. The NRL is better
>viewing by miles, at the moment.

Fine - go and watch the other game then.  Lots of us rugby types actually
are very interested in the NPC.

Tony

Quote:

>-- Route


 
 
 

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Post by Rout » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Quote:



> >> DIVISION ONE:

> >Yawn, roll on Rugby World Cup.

> >The NPC hasn't exactly caught my imagination this year. The NRL is better
> >viewing by miles, at the moment.

> Fine - go and watch the other game then.  Lots of us rugby types actually
> are very interested in the NPC.

It would be more interesting if it was a proper competition. Let's
concentrate on the development of NZ rugby, extend the NPC, and s***
the S12 (which is only benefiting SA and AUS anyway).

-- Route

 
 
 

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Post by tama mcconnel » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

The problem is the gulf between the good and bad teams is too big. The
Auckland - Canterbury game was exciting (as they usually are), but
Northland/Southland vs whoever doesnt really get the pulse racing.



Quote:



> >> DIVISION ONE:

> >Yawn, roll on Rugby World Cup.

> >The NPC hasn't exactly caught my imagination this year. The NRL is
better
> >viewing by miles, at the moment.

> Fine - go and watch the other game then.  Lots of us rugby types actually
> are very interested in the NPC.

They are not mutually exclusive you know - it is actually possible to enjoy
BOTH
!!!

Tama

Quote:

> Tony

> >-- Route

 
 
 

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Post by Tony Hasti » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
> The problem is the gulf between the good and bad teams is too big. The
> Auckland - Canterbury game was exciting (as they usually are), but
> Northland/Southland vs whoever doesnt really get the pulse racing.

> Unless youre from Northland or Southland :o)

 
 
 

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Post by The Elson » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Quote:




>> >> DIVISION ONE:

>> >Yawn, roll on Rugby World Cup.

>> >The NPC hasn't exactly caught my imagination this year. The NRL is
better
>> >viewing by miles, at the moment.

>> Fine - go and watch the other game then.  Lots of us rugby types actually
>> are very interested in the NPC.

>It would be more interesting if it was a proper competition. Let's
>concentrate on the development of NZ rugby, extend the NPC, and s***
>the S12 (which is only benefiting SA and AUS anyway).

Funny - I thought the NPC is developing rugby - or its players anyway.
S***it and the game as we know it is going to crumble.  As it is, it is
being relegated to the feeder system for the Super12.

We seem to have done quite well out of the Super12 actually.

Tony - NPC fan.

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>-- Route

 
 
 

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Post by The Elson » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>The problem is the gulf between the good and bad teams is too big. The
>Auckland - Canterbury game was exciting (as they usually are), but
>Northland/Southland vs whoever doesnt really get the pulse racing.

And which part of the joint are you from Tama?

Tony

 
 
 

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Post by Gareth C Jone » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Quote:





> >> >> DIVISION ONE:

> >> >Yawn, roll on Rugby World Cup.

> >> >The NPC hasn't exactly caught my imagination this year. The NRL is
> better
> >> >viewing by miles, at the moment.

> >> Fine - go and watch the other game then.  Lots of us rugby types
actually
> >> are very interested in the NPC.

> >It would be more interesting if it was a proper competition. Let's
> >concentrate on the development of NZ rugby, extend the NPC, and s***
> >the S12 (which is only benefiting SA and AUS anyway).

> Funny - I thought the NPC is developing rugby - or its players anyway.
> S***it and the game as we know it is going to crumble.  As it is, it is
> being relegated to the feeder system for the Super12.

> We seem to have done quite well out of the Super12 actually.

You sure do. It seems that if NZ left the S12 it would allow Oz and SA to
play at a higher level against each other while NZ would be in a
self-imposed exile, I can't really see how the game would benefit. Saying
that I can see the feeling behind a move back to the traditional provinces.
It's the reason that provincial rugby has never taken off in the UK. The
Midlands v. West Country may be a great game but I can't see the fans
preferring it over Leicester v. Bath.
--
One time!
Lift it!
COME ALIVE BRIDGEND!!!

Gareth

 
 
 

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Post by tama mcconnel » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

I mentioned Canterbuy/Auckland match because it was the most recent
example.
There are definitly four teams at the top of the heap (Ak, Otago, Wai,
Canty)
with the other teams making up the numbers - maybe occasionally they will
pull off an upset, but no realistic chance of winning the league.
This gap will only get bigger - Canterbury and Auckland are always buying
up players from other unions.
I guess this is just reflecting what is happening in NZ anyway, with rural
areas declining as more and more people head to urban areas.
The NPC is in danger of becoming like the Scottish Premier league
(football) with only two teams ever having a chanc to win - makes for a
very boring competition.
I think what will happen - as has been suggested by some NPC coaches - is
that the super 12 will get bigger, and run for longer, with a scaled down,
amateur only NPC.

Tama

(Canterbuy supporter!)



Quote:


> >The problem is the gulf between the good and bad teams is too big. The
> >Auckland - Canterbury game was exciting (as they usually are), but
> >Northland/Southland vs whoever doesnt really get the pulse racing.

> And which part of the joint are you from Tama?

> Tony

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Kenda » Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>The NPC is in danger of becoming like the Scottish Premier league
>(football) with only two teams ever having a chanc to win - makes for a
>very boring competition.

And that will be a major problem in the long term.  While the S12 serves
its purpose by bridging the gap between provincial and international rugby
for the players and providing the public with a top class weekly
competition to watch, it has actually caused more problems that it has
solved.  When the S12 started the administrators made a point of saying
the regional makeup of the teams would allow players to be retained in
their home province while still having the opportunity to earn a living.
Clearly, this hasn't happened.  In reality the opposite has occurred with
the likes of Cullen, Maxwell and Feek leaving a smaller union for the
major union of their S12 side.  Instead of spreading the talent the rich
have got richer.  Sure there might be a natural migration to the main
cities but the S12 has provided the Blues, Crusaders and Highlanders in
particular, with the NZRFU-funded money to attract these players.  Former
All Black captain John Graham had the foresight to recognise what effect
the S12 would have on club and provincial rugby.  How many think that Paul
Miller will still be playing for Southland next year?

The situation appears to be similar in SA as I noticed Meyer and AJ Venter
playing for Gauteng when they used to play for Free State.

Quote:
>I think what will happen - as has been suggested by some NPC coaches - is
>that the super 12 will get bigger, and run for longer, with a scaled down,
>amateur only NPC.

Sadly, I think this is inevitable.

--
Paul

 
 
 

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Post by Gary » Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>And that will be a major problem in the long term.  While the S12 serves
>its purpose by bridging the gap between provincial and international rugby
>for the players and providing the public with a top class weekly
>competition to watch, it has actually caused more problems that it has
>solved.  When the S12 started the administrators made a point of saying
>the regional makeup of the teams would allow players to be retained in
>their home province while still having the opportunity to earn a living.
>Clearly, this hasn't happened.  In reality the opposite has occurred with
>the likes of Cullen, Maxwell and Feek leaving a smaller union for the
>major union of their S12 side.  Instead of spreading the talent the rich
>have got richer.  Sure there might be a natural migration to the main
>cities but the S12 has provided the Blues, Crusaders and Highlanders in
>particular, with the NZRFU-funded money to attract these players.  Former
>All Black captain John Graham had the foresight to recognise what effect
>the S12 would have on club and provincial rugby.  How many think that Paul
>Miller will still be playing for Southland next year?

Yeah but this problem existed long before the S12, was not Ian Jones playing for
North Harbour before the S12 started - why wasn't Jeff wilson playing for Southland
as opposed to Otago before the S12.  The richer unions have always been able to
attract players from the poorer regions.

The key is to start a draft system much like Nth America.
A hard thing to do considering we have a relegation system in place but it could
work something like this. Starting next year. Each team in the 1st div locks up 15
(or 20) players. The bottom placed team then first pick, then 2nd bottom etc until
squads of 26 (or 30 are reached).

The following year when a team gets promoted it gets to pick first. The talent gets
spread around - rich unions like Auck and Cant cann't rob the poorer unions of
players.  Northland would be a stronger team wiyth Maxwell and Con still playing for
them.

Cheers

Gary

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>Paul

 
 
 

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Post by The Elson » Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>>>Canterbury game was exciting (as they usually are), but
>> >Northland/Southland vs whoever doesnt really get the pulse racing

>Tama

>(Canterbuy supporter!)

Nah - you aren't are you.  Fancy that.  No wonder a Southland/Northland game
is boring.

OK - I know you have put what you said into context.

Tony

 
 
 

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Post by Nick Smi » Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>The NPC is in danger of becoming like the Scottish Premier league
>(football) with only two teams ever having a chanc to win - makes for a
>very boring competition.

This year I went to see the Scottish Cup Final in the only place in NZ
showing it live. There were Rangers and Celtic fans in the same pub at
the sametime. It was very unboring and decidely worrying when the game
finished.

Nick

 
 
 

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Post by Mees Roelo » Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>> Funny - I thought the NPC is developing rugby - or its players anyway.
>> S***it and the game as we know it is going to crumble.  As it is, it is
>> being relegated to the feeder system for the Super12.

Which is quite a good system I'd say. Like NPC Division 2 clubs should
be feeding to Division 1 etcetera.

Quote:
>> We seem to have done quite well out of the Super12 actually.

>You sure do. It seems that if NZ left the S12 it would allow Oz and SA to
>play at a higher level against each other while NZ would be in a
>self-imposed exile, I can't really see how the game would benefit. Saying
>that I can see the feeling behind a move back to the traditional provinces.
>It's the reason that provincial rugby has never taken off in the UK. The
>Midlands v. West Country may be a great game but I can't see the fans
>preferring it over Leicester v. Bath.

It would take ages to get the old rivalries as they are now.
Particularly in a place like England (or France) where the rivalries
between regions are not as big as in, say Oz or NZ.

Mees Roelofs
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