O'Neill and JJH

O'Neill and JJH

Post by Matt Neilso » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00


    Seems like Mr O'Neill of the ARU doesn't want to let go of Jason
Jones-Hughes (and if that's not a Welsh name it's two!) Reported today that
O'Neill has warned that the ARU will not release JJH from his contract and
Wales can play him in the WC at the risk of playing an ineligible player.
    I'm beginning to develop a dislike for this guy - what does he achieve
by doing this? Ruining a players chance to play in the WC and alienating
much of the rugby world to boot - nice work Mr O'Neill.
Cheers, Matt
 
 
 

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Post by Andre » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Couldn't agree more.  He's turning into a petty minded vindictive *** isn't
he?
Why the *** doesn't he just accept the fact that JJH is not only eligible
to play for Wales, but has CHOSEN to do so as well.  What more does he have
to do to get this git off his back.  He's making a laughing stock of
Australian rugby at the moment.  At least most sensible Aussies recognise
freedom of choice when they see it and wish him well - just not too well.

Andrew


Quote:
>     Seems like Mr O'Neill of the ARU doesn't want to let go of Jason
> Jones-Hughes (and if that's not a Welsh name it's two!) Reported today
that
> O'Neill has warned that the ARU will not release JJH from his contract and
> Wales can play him in the WC at the risk of playing an ineligible player.
>     I'm beginning to develop a dislike for this guy - what does he achieve
> by doing this? Ruining a players chance to play in the WC and alienating
> much of the rugby world to boot - nice work Mr O'Neill.
> Cheers, Matt


 
 
 

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Post by Andre » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> > Couldn't agree more.  He's turning into a petty minded vindictive ***
isn't
> > he?
> <snip>

> Well....hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, and what he wants are
> some $$$s of compensation for the coffers. A 'transfer fee' if you will.

Not according to the latest articles, although you are right about him being
a woman.  He's planning on using the law to declare JJH invalid for Wales
and if they use him then they will forfeit their games.  How he plans this I
have no idea.  Whichever way you look at it, it's petty and vindictive.

I have no problem with transfer fees being paid.  Afterall the ARU, NSWRU
and juniors did invest a lot of time and money into making him a good
player.  However, I haven't heard him being so keen to offer South Africa
even more money for making Tiaan Strauss the player he is, or Argentina for
turning Patricio Noriega into a top notch prop etc etc.  I know they're
slightly different circumstances with regards to actually playing for the
other nation, but no one can argue the fact that their home nations made
them the players they are now.

Andrew

 
 
 

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Post by Kev » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Quote:




>> > Couldn't agree more.  He's turning into a petty minded vindictive ***
>isn't
>> > he?
>> <snip>

>> Well....hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, and what he wants are
>> some $$$s of compensation for the coffers. A 'transfer fee' if you will.

>Not according to the latest articles, although you are right about him
being
>a woman.  He's planning on using the law to declare JJH invalid for Wales
>and if they use him then they will forfeit their games.  How he plans this
I
>have no idea.  Whichever way you look at it, it's petty and vindictive.

>I have no problem with transfer fees being paid.  Afterall the ARU, NSWRU
>and juniors did invest a lot of time and money into making him a good
>player.  However, I haven't heard him being so keen to offer South Africa
>even more money for making Tiaan Strauss the player he is, or Argentina for
>turning Patricio Noriega into a top notch prop etc etc.  I know they're
>slightly different circumstances with regards to actually playing for the
>other nation, but no one can argue the fact that their home nations made
>them the players they are now.

I tend to agree with Bryan, in that it's now a question of money wanted by
the ARU.As I understand it, the problem is that when the case was first
heard it fell outside the start of the new regulations regaring compensating
Unions, so O' (***in' ***) Neil, is using the threat of a breach of
contract by JJH (who is contracted to the NSW union and the ARU(not sure
about that one mind)), and the WRU in enticing JJH to break his contract as
a legal means to stop him playing for Wales. He has even muttered somethig
about any games that JJH plays in being forfeited, because although he may
be elligible to play for Wales, he can't untill he has fulfilled or
negotiated out of his present contract. Welsh news hinted that the IRB has
already poopoo'ed that  idea.

The disgusting part about the whole issue is that he is ***ing around with
a young guy who just wants to get on with it. IMO, he's being rather
disgraceful.

Even the readersof the Herald in Oz have voted in favour of JJH, 62% have no
problem with it, so he hasn't even got public support. (well atleast the
support of Heald readers)

Kev

 
 
 

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Post by dhlawto » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

IRB have said that JHH can play and that the NSW and  WRU should
sort out compensation between themselves

Dave


Quote:





> >> > Couldn't agree more.  He's turning into a petty minded vindictive
***
> >isn't
> >> > he?
> >> <snip>

> >> Well....hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, and what he wants are
> >> some $$$s of compensation for the coffers. A 'transfer fee' if you
will.

> >Not according to the latest articles, although you are right about him
> being
> >a woman.  He's planning on using the law to declare JJH invalid for Wales
> >and if they use him then they will forfeit their games.  How he plans
this
> I
> >have no idea.  Whichever way you look at it, it's petty and vindictive.

> >I have no problem with transfer fees being paid.  Afterall the ARU, NSWRU
> >and juniors did invest a lot of time and money into making him a good
> >player.  However, I haven't heard him being so keen to offer South Africa
> >even more money for making Tiaan Strauss the player he is, or Argentina
for
> >turning Patricio Noriega into a top notch prop etc etc.  I know they're
> >slightly different circumstances with regards to actually playing for the
> >other nation, but no one can argue the fact that their home nations made
> >them the players they are now.

> I tend to agree with Bryan, in that it's now a question of money wanted by
> the ARU.As I understand it, the problem is that when the case was first
> heard it fell outside the start of the new regulations regaring
compensating
> Unions, so O' (***in' ***) Neil, is using the threat of a breach of
> contract by JJH (who is contracted to the NSW union and the ARU(not sure
> about that one mind)), and the WRU in enticing JJH to break his contract
as
> a legal means to stop him playing for Wales. He has even muttered somethig
> about any games that JJH plays in being forfeited, because although he may
> be elligible to play for Wales, he can't untill he has fulfilled or
> negotiated out of his present contract. Welsh news hinted that the IRB has
> already poopoo'ed that  idea.

> The disgusting part about the whole issue is that he is ***ing around
with
> a young guy who just wants to get on with it. IMO, he's being rather
> disgraceful.

> Even the readersof the Herald in Oz have voted in favour of JJH, 62% have
no
> problem with it, so he hasn't even got public support. (well atleast the
> support of Heald readers)

> Kev

 
 
 

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Post by Alan Luchett » Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:00:00

On behalf of all Australians who are not rugby administrator
blow-ins from the corporate world, I apologise profoundly
for O'Neill.  He thinks he's stil running a bank, not a sport.

As a Waratahs supporter, I wish JJH well.  He's not yet
a Herbert or a Little but he's a good'un.  And he's huge.
I'll be interested to see if he makes the Wales 1st XV.

 
 
 

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Post by Gareth C Jone » Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Quote:



> > On behalf of all Australians who are not rugby administrator
> > blow-ins from the corporate world, I apologise profoundly
> > for O'Neill.  He thinks he's stil running a bank, not a sport.

> > As a Waratahs supporter, I wish JJH well.  He's not yet
> > a Herbert or a Little but he's a good'un.  And he's huge.
> > I'll be interested to see if he makes the Wales 1st XV.

> Well said and fortunately echoed by most sensible Australians.  O'Neill is
> making a *** of himself, which is fine in itself, but he's also making a
> mockery of the ARU and Australia and Australians in general as far as the
> rest of the rugby world is concerned.  He should shut the *** up.

Why doesn't he just demand some cash and leave the boy alone? He's not going
to play for Oz now so why just prolong the agony? Every country seems
blessed with some supreme arseholes in their respective unions. O'Neill
seems to be going for the title of Emperor Arsehole.

Quote:

> Don't think JJH will make the 1sts yet.  Not as a centre anyway, maybe on
> the wing.  but he does have a lot of potential.

I'd agree.
--
One time!
Lift it!
COME ALIVE BRIDGEND!!!

Gareth

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Post by Andre » Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
> On behalf of all Australians who are not rugby administrator
> blow-ins from the corporate world, I apologise profoundly
> for O'Neill.  He thinks he's stil running a bank, not a sport.

> As a Waratahs supporter, I wish JJH well.  He's not yet
> a Herbert or a Little but he's a good'un.  And he's huge.
> I'll be interested to see if he makes the Wales 1st XV.

Well said and fortunately echoed by most sensible Australians.  O'Neill is
making a *** of himself, which is fine in itself, but he's also making a
mockery of the ARU and Australia and Australians in general as far as the
rest of the rugby world is concerned.  He should shut the *** up.

Don't think JJH will make the 1sts yet.  Not as a centre anyway, maybe on
the wing.  but he does have a lot of potential.

 
 
 

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Post by Justin » Sat, 18 Sep 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
>>I have no problem with transfer fees being paid.  Afterall the ARU, NSWRU
>>and juniors did invest a lot of time and money into making him a good
>>player.  However, I haven't heard him being so keen to offer South Africa
>>even more money for making Tiaan Strauss the player he is, or Argentina for
>>turning Patricio Noriega into a top notch prop etc etc.

They were not under contract at the time they moved to Oz. Strauss
signed after playing League in Oz.

Quote:
>The disgusting part about the whole issue is that he is ***ing around with
>a young guy who just wants to get on with it. IMO, he's being rather
>disgraceful.

I disagree. JJH was quite happy where he was until Henry came hunting
and he found some long held love for the valleys. He was quite happy
to sign a contract and take the monies that were paid him for that. To
me he is acting exactly like Pierre van Hoidink (sp?) and Nicolas
Anelka have been in soccer recently.

Sale have issued a 'hands off' to the Bulls in SA over Jannie de Beer.
They are encouraging him to break contract and return to SA. I hope
you vilify them as much as you do O'Neill. He may be a bit of a tosser
with a big mouth, but he does have the interests of the ARU at heart.

Quote:
>Even the readersof the Herald in Oz have voted in favour of JJH, 62% have no
>problem with it, so he hasn't even got public support. (well atleast the
>support of Heald readers)

He doesn't need the public's support, he is not seeking relection and
affirmation from them. He does however have to look after the current
and future commercial and playing interests of his employers the ARU
and NSWRFU (by proxy) and their sponsors. If he didn't he would be in
dereliction of duty and breach of contract himself.

Justin

 
 
 

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Post by Andre » Sat, 18 Sep 1999 04:00:00



Quote:


> >>I have no problem with transfer fees being paid.  Afterall the ARU,
NSWRU
> >>and juniors did invest a lot of time and money into making him a good
> >>player.  However, I haven't heard him being so keen to offer South
Africa
> >>even more money for making Tiaan Strauss the player he is, or Argentina
for
> >>turning Patricio Noriega into a top notch prop etc etc.

> They were not under contract at the time they moved to Oz. Strauss
> signed after playing League in Oz.

That was not what my original point was about.  It was about the comments
made that the ARU should be compensated for all the time and expense they
have gone to in turning him into the player he is.  If you read my post
properly you'll see it is nothing to do with contracts.  Hence my references
to Strauss and Noriega, who were, unless I am very much mistaken, made into
the players they were in their home countries, not Australia, yet Australia
are not offering them compensation in the way they are demanding it for JJH.

Quote:

> >The disgusting part about the whole issue is that he is ***ing around
with
> >a young guy who just wants to get on with it. IMO, he's being rather
> >disgraceful.

> I disagree. JJH was quite happy where he was until Henry came hunting
> and he found some long held love for the valleys.

Two points here.
1. How do you know JJH was quite happy here for certain?
2. According to JJH he was actually approached about his Welsh heritage by
Australian Alec Evans who coached Wales a few years ago, but he was too
young and the time wasn't right.  (His words not mine)

 He was quite happy

Quote:
> to sign a contract and take the monies that were paid him for that. To
> me he is acting exactly like Pierre van Hoidink (sp?) and Nicolas
> Anelka have been in soccer recently.

Well, whether we like it or not, rugby is now a professional game and these
players are professional athletes.  Of course he would take the money when
it was offered.  Doesn't mean he doesn't feel national pride for either
Australia or Wales.

Quote:

> Sale have issued a 'hands off' to the Bulls in SA over Jannie de Beer.
> They are encouraging him to break contract and return to SA. I hope
> you vilify them as much as you do O'Neill.

If they are actively encouraging him to break his contract then yes.

 He may be a bit of a tosser

Quote:
> with a big mouth, but he does have the interests of the ARU at heart.

Agreed on both counts.  I think however he is taking things a bit far now.
The lad has come down on the side of the fence that he wants to.  Let him
get on with it.

Quote:

> >Even the readersof the Herald in Oz have voted in favour of JJH, 62% have
no
> >problem with it, so he hasn't even got public support. (well atleast the
> >support of Heald readers)

> He doesn't need the public's support, he is not seeking relection and
> affirmation from them. He does however have to look after the current
> and future commercial and playing interests of his employers the ARU
> and NSWRFU (by proxy) and their sponsors. If he didn't he would be in
> dereliction of duty and breach of contract himself.

I think his time would be better spent not making such an arse of himself
and the ARU.  With the history of the NSWRU and ARU of course he needs
public support if he wants to keep his job for a long time.

Andrew

 
 
 

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Post by l_ala.. » Sun, 03 Oct 1999 04:00:00


Quote:



> > > As a Waratahs supporter, I wish JJH well.  He's not yet
> > > a Herbert or a Little but he's a good'un.  And he's huge.
> > > I'll be interested to see if he makes the Wales 1st XV.
> > Don't think JJH will make the 1sts yet.  Not as a
> > centre anyway, maybe on the wing.  but he does
> > have a lot of potential.
> I'd agree.

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Post by Andre » Sun, 03 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Wow, did you keep that just in case?  :-)
Actually as far as the original comment is concerned he hasn't made the
firsts yet (first xv that is).  And he only made the bench due to an injury
by Alan Batemen.  But things change.  He got his chance and did well and
like mentioned he does have a lot of potential.
Quote:





> > > > As a Waratahs supporter, I wish JJH well.  He's not yet
> > > > a Herbert or a Little but he's a good'un.  And he's huge.
> > > > I'll be interested to see if he makes the Wales 1st XV.

> > > Don't think JJH will make the 1sts yet.  Not as a
> > > centre anyway, maybe on the wing.  but he does
> > > have a lot of potential.

> > I'd agree.

> Any advance?

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Post by Alan Luchett » Mon, 04 Oct 1999 04:00:00


Quote:





> > > > > As a Waratahs supporter, I wish JJH well.  He's not yet
> > > > > a Herbert or a Little but he's a good'un.  And he's huge.
> > > > > I'll be interested to see if he makes the Wales 1st XV.
> > > > Don't think JJH will make the 1sts yet.  Not as a
> > > > centre anyway, maybe on the wing.  but he does
> > > > have a lot of potential.
> > > I'd agree.
> > Any advance?
> Wow, did you keep that just in case?  :-)

Hardly -- just went back to http://www.deja.com/ and
dug it out.

Quote:
> Actually as far as the original comment is concerned he
> hasn't made the firsts yet (first xv that is).  And he only
> made the bench due to an injury by Alan Batemen.
> But things change.  He got his chance and did well and
> like mentioned he does have a lot of potential.

I thought he was clearly best midfielder on ground.
Wales looked better offensively and defensively
from the moment he replaced Gibbs.