FW says that Williams won't win in '99

FW says that Williams won't win in '99

Post by Walt Wo » Mon, 11 Jan 1999 04:00:00


Pretty sad that Frank Williams says that his team won't win a race on merit
in '99 because they don't have the very best equipment.  he says that he
hopes that they will be on the podium and maybe win when the others stumble.

what is wrong with the williams team, do they not have the money to win or
are they just unwilling to spend it ?  is it that they feel that the new
Mecachrome won't be any good and they shouldn't bother designing a good car
around it ?   it must be a financial issue or they really miss Newey or its
the engine.

Walt Woo
Montreal, Quebec

 
 
 

FW says that Williams won't win in '99

Post by John Fo » Mon, 11 Jan 1999 04:00:00

I think that next year's just a holding year while they put all their effort
into building a car around the BMW engine. It's no secret that Williams
don't rate the Mecachrome and Frank is probably trying to save face early.
Bit of a bummer for young Ralfie though!

Quote:

>Pretty sad that Frank Williams says that his team won't win a race on merit
>in '99 because they don't have the very best equipment.  he says that he
>hopes that they will be on the podium and maybe win when the others
stumble.

>what is wrong with the williams team, do they not have the money to win or
>are they just unwilling to spend it ?  is it that they feel that the new
>Mecachrome won't be any good and they shouldn't bother designing a good car
>around it ?   it must be a financial issue or they really miss Newey or its
>the engine.

>Walt Woo
>Montreal, Quebec


 
 
 

FW says that Williams won't win in '99

Post by Walt Wo » Mon, 11 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>I think that next year's just a holding year while they put all their
effort
>into building a car around the BMW engine. It's no secret that Williams
>don't rate the Mecachrome and Frank is probably trying to save face early.
>Bit of a bummer for young Ralfie though!

yeah thats probably it but i don't understand that mentality coming from the
williams team who are so accustomed to building a winner, that they would
give up so easily.  i've heard that the new Mecachrome is lighter and
better.

Walt Woo
Montreal, Quebec

 
 
 

FW says that Williams won't win in '99

Post by Argu » Mon, 11 Jan 1999 04:00:00

BMW has admitted that they don't expect their engine to be fully
competitive in 2000, either.  The next two seasons will most likely be
development ones for Williams. That must be tough for them to swallow,
especially with the rumours about FW and PH planning to retire sooner
rather than later.  It could be behind the Ralph Schumacher signing as
well.   Big Ferrari contract or no, I wouldn't be surprised to see
Michael Schumacher in a Williams BMW in 2001.   Perhaps Ralfie is saving
his place?   It might explain the interest Michael showed in little
bro's 1999 contract.
Or I could just be a little too suspicious by nature ;)

Liz

Quote:


> >I think that next year's just a holding year while they put all their
> effort
> >into building a car around the BMW engine. It's no secret that Williams
> >don't rate the Mecachrome and Frank is probably trying to save face early.
> >Bit of a bummer for young Ralfie though!

> yeah thats probably it but i don't understand that mentality coming from the
> williams team who are so accustomed to building a winner, that they would
> give up so easily.  i've heard that the new Mecachrome is lighter and
> better.

> Walt Woo
> Montreal, Quebec

--
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FW says that Williams won't win in '99

Post by Dab » Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>I think that next year's just a holding year while they put all their
effort
>into building a car around the BMW engine. It's no secret that Williams
>don't rate the Mecachrome and Frank is probably trying to save face early.
>Bit of a bummer for young Ralfie though!

What are you implying ??
 
 
 

FW says that Williams won't win in '99

Post by RP » Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
>I think that next year's just a holding year while they put all their effort
>into building a car around the BMW engine. It's no secret that Williams
>don't rate the Mecachrome and Frank is probably trying to save face early.
>Bit of a bummer for young Ralfie though!

No, it serves Ralf right.
 
 
 

FW says that Williams won't win in '99

Post by David Bett » Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Walt Woo wrote

Quote:
>yeah thats probably it but i don't understand that mentality coming from
the
>williams team who are so accustomed to building a winner, that they would
>give up so easily.  i've heard that the new Mecachrome is lighter and
>better.

See my earlier post on this subject, Walt. There is no way that the
Mecachrome is going to be competitive. Frank is simply being realistic.
Williams will be competing to beat Benetton and BAR and hoping that Prost
and Stewart don't make a big step forward.

There is no way that Mecachrome/Supertec/Renault can supply engine
developments to three teams at the rate which Mercedes, Ferrari, Honda,
Ford and Peugeot can to one each. And don't forget how far behind Mercedes,
Ferrari and Honda they are starting.

David Betts

"I don't think God is in heaven this weekend. I think he's at Goodwood. And
if he isn't, he's crackers" - Canon Lionel Webber

 
 
 

FW says that Williams won't win in '99

Post by Paul » Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:00:00


writes
Quote:


>>I think that next year's just a holding year while they put all their
>effort
>>into building a car around the BMW engine. It's no secret that Williams
>>don't rate the Mecachrome and Frank is probably trying to save face early.
>>Bit of a bummer for young Ralfie though!

>What are you implying ??

Your ***fixation showing up again, dab ;-)
--
Paul

"No,no, Barbara, tent up first, bunk up later..."
                                Kenneth Williams - Carry on Camping
 
 
 

FW says that Williams won't win in '99

Post by John D. Owe » Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Quote:


> >I think that next year's just a holding year while they put all their
> effort
> >into building a car around the BMW engine. It's no secret that Williams
> >don't rate the Mecachrome and Frank is probably trying to save face early.
> >Bit of a bummer for young Ralfie though!

> yeah thats probably it but i don't understand that mentality coming from the
> williams team who are so accustomed to building a winner, that they would
> give up so easily.  i've heard that the new Mecachrome is lighter and
> better.

Yeah, but Williams are third in line behind Benetton and BAR, who will
certainly get the more advanced engines sooner. Renault and Supertec
aren't that interested in giving Williams (and through them BMW) any
helpful hints about building F1 engines. Hence Sir FW's comments about
1999 being very much a holding operation for 2000 and the BMW contracts.
Williams also have to run two F1 programs this year, with BMW testing
running alongside the GP effort. Williams are being fairly realistic,
hence Zanardi's comments about "not being under any pressure". He knows
this year is an easy run for him to dial back into F1 and get prepared
for 2000 and on, when the real challenge begins.

JDO

 
 
 

FW says that Williams won't win in '99

Post by Gunther Rola » Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>Pretty sad that Frank Williams says that his team won't win a race on merit
>in '99 because they don't have the very best equipment.  he says that he
>hopes that they will be on the podium and maybe win when the others stumble.

>what is wrong with the williams team, do they not have the money to win or
>are they just unwilling to spend it ?  

I don't think there's anything 'wrong' with Williams. They are starting
a new long-term relationship with an engine supplier and are facing
2-3 transitional years (1998-). In 1999 they have two drivers that
probably need some more experience and an engine that will invariably
be somewhat behind the best. So he's just being realistic, although I
don't doubt that they'll do their best to get more than a lucky win
or so.
I must say that I like his attitude much better than Pollocks, but that's
another thread (and I have no doubt that even in their transitinal
phase Williams will come out ahead of BAR).

Gunther

Quote:
>Walt Woo

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FW says that Williams won't win in '99

Post by Gunther Rola » Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:00:00



Quote:


>>yeah thats probably it but i don't understand that mentality coming from the
>>williams team who are so accustomed to building a winner, that they would
>>give up so easily.  i've heard that the new Mecachrome is lighter and
>>better.

[snip]

Quote:
>Frank has always emerged from these setbacks with a car that couldn't
>be beat. Typically these downturns last two to four years for
>Williams. Don't count them out yet and I don't think Frank even knows
>the concept of giving up.

Agreed. And even in their 1998 slump Williams still looked much
much better than McLaren or Ferrari in their recent 'dark' years
(1994-1995 and 1991-1995). While many people dislike FW for a variety
of more or less idiotic reasons, I have nothing but respect for what
he's achieved in F1 over and over again.

Gunther

--

 
 
 

FW says that Williams won't win in '99

Post by Philip Hil » Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Quote:





> >>yeah thats probably it but i don't understand that mentality coming from the
> >>williams team who are so accustomed to building a winner, that they would
> >>give up so easily.  i've heard that the new Mecachrome is lighter and
> >>better.

> [snip]

> >Frank has always emerged from these setbacks with a car that couldn't
> >be beat. Typically these downturns last two to four years for
> >Williams. Don't count them out yet and I don't think Frank even knows
> >the concept of giving up.

> Agreed. And even in their 1998 slump Williams still looked much
> much better than McLaren or Ferrari in their recent 'dark' years
> (1994-1995 and 1991-1995). While many people dislike FW for a variety
> of more or less idiotic reasons, I have nothing but respect for what
> he's achieved in F1 over and over again.

> Gunther

> --

Totally agree Gunther, and what a lot of people also overlook is that
he's done it from a wheelchair, while in constant pain due to the long
term affects of his accident.

--

He that overvalues himself will undervalue others,
and he that undervalues others will oppress them.

 
 
 

FW says that Williams won't win in '99

Post by Bob Hellan » Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>Pretty sad that Frank Williams says that his team won't win a race on merit
>in '99 because they don't have the very best equipment.

Ha!!  I am a  GENIUS!!

I set them at 45 and 50-1.

FOUR DAYS BEFORE SAINT FRANK!!

Wow!

Bob

 
 
 

FW says that Williams won't win in '99

Post by David Bett » Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Island in Pacific wrote

Quote:
>Remember the years that Niki Lauda and Keke Rosberg spent developing
>the Honda engine? They were terrible years and then those two years
>with the Judd engine when we had that wonderful second in the rain in
>Britain from Nigel.

Don't remember Lauda driving for Honda and/or Williams. I think you must be
thinking of Jacques Lafitte.

David Betts

"I don't think God is in heaven this weekend. I think he's at Goodwood. And
if he isn't, he's crackers" - Canon Lionel Webber

 
 
 

FW says that Williams won't win in '99

Post by Dab » Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Quote:


>writes


>>>I think that next year's just a holding year while they put all their
>>effort
>>>into building a car around the BMW engine. It's no secret that Williams
>>>don't rate the Mecachrome and Frank is probably trying to save face
early.
>>>Bit of a bummer for young Ralfie though!

>>What are you implying ??

>Your ***fixation showing up again, dab ;-)

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