Vettel eats humble pie

Vettel eats humble pie

Post by Bobste » Sat, 30 Mar 2013 15:33:08


http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/forgiving-and-forgetting/

Hes said he cant turn back the clock but hes accepted what he did
was wrong. Hes apologised to the team and to every single member of
staff for his actions, because he recognises the team is vitally
important and being part of the team is a crucial aspect to being able
to challenge for those championships.

As Saward notes, rebuilding the trust between the drivers is another
matter completely.

 
 
 

Vettel eats humble pie

Post by Noj » Sat, 30 Mar 2013 18:01:06

Bobster wrote ...

Quote:

> http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/forgiving-and-forgetting/

> ?He?s said he can?t turn back the clock but he?s accepted what he did
> was wrong. He?s apologised to the team and to every single member of
> staff for his actions, because he recognises the team is vitally
> important and being part of the team is a crucial aspect to being able
> to challenge for those championships.?

> As Saward notes, rebuilding the trust between the drivers is another
> matter completely.

There are 2 sides to the RB garage.  I wonder how many of Webber's side
are convinced by Vettel's apology?  They like to win too.

Wonder why Pilbeam left the team last year and went to Lotus?

 
 
 

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Post by Zeppo Mar » Sat, 30 Mar 2013 18:08:55


Quote:

> As Saward notes, rebuilding the trust between the drivers is another
> matter completely.

Especially when everyone and his dog knows that he doesn't really mean
those words.
But even if he would honestly mean them - the words are cheap. His
future deeds will show how humble and/or team oriented he really became.

 
 
 

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Post by AC » Sat, 30 Mar 2013 19:07:53

Quote:


>> As Saward notes, rebuilding the trust between the drivers is another
>> matter completely.

> Especially when everyone and his dog knows that he doesn't really mean
> those words.
> But even if he would honestly mean them - the words are cheap. His
> future deeds will show how humble and/or team oriented he really became.

I think he does, to a point. I think he realises he might need Webber to
help out. At the very least, you need your No2 to take points away from
your rivals. If Webber goes on a bit of a downers, he'll rob less points.

The other thing he probably cares about is the money, or his paymasters,
who wont have liked the bad publicity.

Apart from that, I don't think Vettel gives a flying shit.

I'd be happier if he just came out and did a Senna. If you no longer go
for a gap, etc.

--
AC

 
 
 

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Post by News » Sat, 30 Mar 2013 19:23:44


Quote:
> http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/forgiving-and-forgetting/

> He s said he can t turn back the clock but he s accepted what he did
> was wrong. He s apologised to the team and to every single member of
> staff for his actions, because he recognises the team is vitally
> important and being part of the team is a crucial aspect to being able
> to challenge for those championships.

> As Saward notes, rebuilding the trust between the drivers is another
> matter completely.

Words are cheap.
 
 
 

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Post by shazzba » Sat, 30 Mar 2013 20:20:45

Quote:



>>> As Saward notes, rebuilding the trust between the drivers is another
>>> matter completely.

>> Especially when everyone and his dog knows that he doesn't really mean
>> those words.
>> But even if he would honestly mean them - the words are cheap. His
>> future deeds will show how humble and/or team oriented he really became.

> I think he does, to a point. I think he realises he might need Webber to
> help out. At the very least, you need your No2 to take points away from
> your rivals. If Webber goes on a bit of a downers, he'll rob less points.

Suppose it's towards the end of the last race of the season, Vettel is
leading, Webber second, Raikkonen third. And Vettel needs to win, and KR to
finish third or lower to take the title. What odds Webber would then "make a
mistake" which let KR through?

Steve

 
 
 

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Post by News » Sat, 30 Mar 2013 21:07:49


Quote:



>>>> As Saward notes, rebuilding the trust between the drivers is another
>>>> matter completely.

>>> Especially when everyone and his dog knows that he doesn't really mean
>>> those words.
>>> But even if he would honestly mean them - the words are cheap. His
>>> future deeds will show how humble and/or team oriented he really became.

>> I think he does, to a point. I think he realises he might need Webber to
>> help out. At the very least, you need your No2 to take points away from
>> your rivals. If Webber goes on a bit of a downers, he'll rob less points.

> Suppose it's towards the end of the last race of the season, Vettel is
> leading, Webber second, Raikkonen third. And Vettel needs to win, and KR to
> finish third or lower to take the title. What odds Webber would then "make a
> mistake" which let KR through?

> Steve

Cue the Hulk...
 
 
 

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Post by Aliste » Sat, 30 Mar 2013 22:10:03

Quote:





>>>> As Saward notes, rebuilding the trust between the drivers is another
>>>> matter completely.

>>> Especially when everyone and his dog knows that he doesn't really mean
>>> those words.
>>> But even if he would honestly mean them - the words are cheap. His
>>> future deeds will show how humble and/or team oriented he really
>>> became.

>> I think he does, to a point. I think he realises he might need Webber
>> to help out. At the very least, you need your No2 to take points away
>> from your rivals. If Webber goes on a bit of a downers, he'll rob less
>> points.

> Suppose it's towards the end of the last race of the season, Vettel is
> leading, Webber second, Raikkonen third. And Vettel needs to win, and KR
> to finish third or lower to take the title. What odds Webber would then
> "make a mistake" which let KR through?

> Steve

although in that circumstance one could argue that without the 7 points
he already poached he would not be in the position in the first place

Vettel has clearly taken the view that points in the bank are what count.
at least now everyone knows that Vettel places his interests above the
team. He is not the3 first driver to think this, he wont be the last. I
dont even think that he is the only one of the current bunch.

--
It is easier to ask for forgiveness that to ask for permission.

 
 
 

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Post by Mark » Sat, 30 Mar 2013 22:40:26

Quote:


>> I think he does, to a point. I think he realises he might need Webber to
>> help out. At the very least, you need your No2 to take points away from
>> your rivals. If Webber goes on a bit of a downers, he'll rob less points.

> Suppose it's towards the end of the last race of the season, Vettel is
> leading, Webber second, Raikkonen third. And Vettel needs to win, and KR to
> finish third or lower to take the title. What odds Webber would then "make a
> mistake" which let KR through?

No chance.  Costing Vettel the title by beating him is one thing, but
to be remembered as the guy who made his teammate and team lose by
giving points away?

Few drivers would do that, and certainly not Mark.

 
 
 

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Post by Edmun » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 04:23:16

Quote:




>>> I think he does, to a point. I think he realises he might need Webber
>>> to help out. At the very least, you need your No2 to take points away
>>> from your rivals. If Webber goes on a bit of a downers, he'll rob less
>>> points.

>> Suppose it's towards the end of the last race of the season, Vettel is
>> leading, Webber second, Raikkonen third. And Vettel needs to win, and
>> KR to finish third or lower to take the title. What odds Webber would
>> then "make a mistake" which let KR through?

> No chance.  Costing Vettel the title by beating him is one thing, but to
> be remembered as the guy who made his teammate and team lose by giving
> points away?

> Few drivers would do that, and certainly not Mark.

Me think, it depends on his bonus and whether or not it is his last year
at RB.

Edmund

 
 
 

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Post by Zeppo Mar » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 07:00:11


Quote:

>> No chance.  Costing Vettel the title by beating him is one thing, but to
>> be remembered as the guy who made his teammate and team lose by giving
>> points away?

>> Few drivers would do that, and certainly not Mark.

> Me think, it depends on his bonus and whether or not it is his last year
> at RB.

> Edmund

And me thinks, although this might be his last year at RBR, he most
certainly does not want to have his last F1 season as a driver. And to
go on a search for a new team with a backpack of betraying his old one
out of a personal grudge would not be the best referral for his efforts
for a new seat.
 
 
 

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Post by Bobste » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:48:29


Quote:

> > As Saward notes, rebuilding the trust between the drivers is another
> > matter completely.

> Especially when everyone and his dog knows that he doesn't really mean
> those words.

Well that's what we DON'T know. He might have walked around mumbling
"yeah, sorry, whatever..." without looking anybody in the eye. In such
a case it may be reported that he apologised but it probably didn't
mean mudh.

But it is possible to realise that one has erred and to make a
heartfelt, genuine apology.

The two would be reported the same. We don't know which of the two
took place and what Vettel's state of mind was.

Quote:
> But even if he would honestly mean them - the words are cheap. His
> future deeds will show how humble and/or team oriented he really became.

Yes.
 
 
 

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Post by Edmun » Sun, 31 Mar 2013 17:22:45

Quote:


>>> No chance.  Costing Vettel the title by beating him is one thing, but
>>> to be remembered as the guy who made his teammate and team lose by
>>> giving points away?

>>> Few drivers would do that, and certainly not Mark.

>> Me think, it depends on his bonus and whether or not it is his last
>> year at RB.

>> Edmund

> And me thinks, although this might be his last year at RBR, he most
> certainly does not want to have his last F1 season as a driver. And to
> go on a search for a new team with a backpack of betraying his old one
> out of a personal grudge would not be the best referral for his efforts
> for a new seat.

Can't argue with that, you are right.

Edmund

 
 
 

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Post by Bobste » Mon, 01 Apr 2013 00:48:25


Quote:

> >> No chance. ?Costing Vettel the title by beating him is one thing, but to
> >> be remembered as the guy who made his teammate and team lose by giving
> >> points away?

> >> Few drivers would do that, and certainly not Mark.

> > Me think, it depends on his bonus and whether or not it is his last year
> > at RB.

> > Edmund

> And me thinks, although this might be his last year at RBR, he most
> certainly does not want to have his last F1 season as a driver. And to
> go on a search for a new team with a backpack of betraying his old one
> out of a personal grudge would not be the best referral for his efforts
> for a new seat.

You'll have noticed how much harm Alonso's career suffered for
betraying his team.
 
 
 

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Post by Zeppo Mar » Mon, 01 Apr 2013 01:22:18


Quote:

> You'll have noticed how much harm Alonso's career suffered for
> betraying his team.

Although I like Webbo, he is no Alonso. Not even near.