New Jordan = dog + News

New Jordan = dog + News

Post by Steven Gleniste » Fri, 02 Feb 1996 04:00:00


The poor test times attained by the new Jordan last week were not, as
the team have said, creases which were being ironed out. Both drivers
are now reporting that the new car understeers badly and has snap
oversteer. It seem that if Jordan are to achieve their goal of winning
a race this year, they must make some fundimental changes before the
start of the season.

Frank Williams says Damon Hill has become a "new man" since last season
and has a good chance of taking the championship this year. Seems like
they've made up! He also says he tried to sign HH Frentzen after Senna's
death in '94, but stopped after Wendlingers accinent.

Tom Walkinshaw has said that Ligier will be hard pushed to attain
a similar standing to last year with their much reduced budget.

 
 
 

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Post by C.R.Co » Sat, 03 Feb 1996 04:00:00

: >Tom Walkinshaw has said that Ligier will be hard pushed to attain a
: >similar standing to last year with their much reduced budget.

: Maybe he thinks that Diniz isn't too hot after all, and the budget cuts
: made his money a necessity.  Maybe he's disappointed in not having two
: solid point-scorers in the car, as he had most of last year with Brundle
: and Panis.  Still, if the car is basically decent, they may still be able
: to fight for fifth again with probably the lesser of McLaren and Sauber
: and maybe one or more of Tyrrell, Jordan and Arrows.  Then again, if Diniz
: can't score at all, they may end up eighth or ninth.

Am I the only one with any faith in Diniz. From what I could tell from his
performance last season he was a pretty good reliable driver considering the
car he was driving. He compared favourably with Moreno who is also  
underated (2nd in Japan 1990), and considering the car he was driving, he
finished well several times. If you look at his Autosport Fantasy Grand Prix
score you will see that he was a good driver to go for in that (on account
that he started at the back and so gained lots of places). No I don't think
he is a superstar, but is in the same mould as Panis (though not as good):
reliable. Comine both Panis and Diniz with a Ligier Mugen, and you have a
recipe for nigh on 100% finish. I am sure that Ligier stands to do well if
any of the higher teams suffer with reliability.

Well thats my opinion anyway, so ner :-)

: ---
: Sylvan Smyth

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New Jordan = dog + News

Post by QA Student » Sat, 03 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


>>The poor test times attained by the new Jordan last week were not, as
>>the team have said, creases which were being ironed out. Both drivers
>>are now reporting that the new car understeers badly and has snap
>>oversteer. It seem that if Jordan are to achieve their goal of winning
>>a race this year, they must make some fundimental changes before the
>>start of the season.

>IOW, their season is over before it starts.  They do tend to do better in
>the odd numbered years, don't they?  I'm glad, as I'm sure he is, that
>Irvine got out when he did.

>>Frank Williams says Damon Hill has become a "new man" since last season
>>and has a good chance of taking the championship this year. Seems like
>>they've made up!

>It could really be that they have made up.  Then again (not that I'm the
>least bit a cynic) it could be because shrewdly Frank wants to win the
>title more than anybody and realizes that a supportive relationship with
>Hill will best help him realize that goal.

Thank you very much Sylvan. After last season they have realized that they need
to show some support for DH and that's why there's all this talk about how DH
is new man and will be 96 WC.
(which is bullshit, of course, because we all know Jean Alesi is WC in 96:))

Damjan

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>Sylvan Smyth

>Victoria, B.C. Canada
>The Formula 1 Sounds Home Page, featuring Murray Walker
>http://www.islandnet.com/~sylvan/f1sounds


 
 
 

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Post by david joseph har » Sat, 03 Feb 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>The poor test times attained by the new Jordan last week were not, as
>the team have said, creases which were being ironed out. Both drivers
>are now reporting that the new car understeers badly and has snap
>oversteer. It seem that if Jordan are to achieve their goal of winning
>a race this year, they must make some fundimental changes before the
>start of the season.

Apparently they are gradually getting to grips with the car as Brundle
posted a time which was .2 secs quicker than their qualifying time from last
year.Can't remember which track but I presume it was Estoril.It must be said
though that this makes a change from Jordans testing last year and hopefully
this change will continue to the races , time will tell .

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Post by Sylvan Smy » Sat, 03 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>The poor test times attained by the new Jordan last week were not, as
>the team have said, creases which were being ironed out. Both drivers
>are now reporting that the new car understeers badly and has snap
>oversteer. It seem that if Jordan are to achieve their goal of winning
>a race this year, they must make some fundimental changes before the
>start of the season.

IOW, their season is over before it starts.  They do tend to do better in
the odd numbered years, don't they?  I'm glad, as I'm sure he is, that
Irvine got out when he did.

Quote:
>Frank Williams says Damon Hill has become a "new man" since last season
>and has a good chance of taking the championship this year. Seems like
>they've made up!

It could really be that they have made up.  Then again (not that I'm the
least bit a cynic) it could be because shrewdly Frank wants to win the
title more than anybody and realizes that a supportive relationship with
Hill will best help him realize that goal.

Quote:
>Tom Walkinshaw has said that Ligier will be hard pushed to attain a
>similar standing to last year with their much reduced budget.

Maybe he thinks that Diniz isn't too hot after all, and the budget cuts
made his money a necessity.  Maybe he's disappointed in not having two
solid point-scorers in the car, as he had most of last year with Brundle
and Panis.  Still, if the car is basically decent, they may still be able
to fight for fifth again with probably the lesser of McLaren and Sauber
and maybe one or more of Tyrrell, Jordan and Arrows.  Then again, if Diniz
can't score at all, they may end up eighth or ninth.

---
Sylvan Smyth

Victoria, B.C. Canada
The Formula 1 Sounds Home Page, featuring Murray Walker
http://www.islandnet.com/~sylvan/f1sounds

 
 
 

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Post by John & Mandy Barte » Sun, 04 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
>Frank Williams says Damon Hill has become a "new man" since last season
>and has a good chance of taking the championship this year. Seems like
>they've made up!

I get the feeling that Damon needs a large amount of stroking to
perform at his best. Otherwise all this constant public support by
Patrick (mostly) and Williams to a lesser extent wouldn't be
necessary. It seems to me they are trying to convince Damon as much
as anyone else.

Mandy

 
 
 

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Post by Sylvan Smy » Sun, 04 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Am I the only one with any faith in Diniz.

There were so many maybes and ifs in my post about Ligier it can hardly be
considered a condemnation of Diniz.  I don't know what the guy will do,
but he's done nothing yet, so it's tough to have high expectations.  If he
was going to be good, I would have expected him to outpace Moreno more
consistently.

Quote:
>He compared favourably with Moreno who is also underated (2nd in Japan
>1990)

I think Moreno has always been overrated.  He is slow as molasses; a
career number 2 if there ever was one.  He did nothing to impress with
Benetton, and that was five years ago.  People like him because he's sweet
and little and bald.  If Piquet had blown up in Japan, Moreno would have
won.  What would that have proved?  Not that he was quick, that's for
sure.

Quote:
>If you look at his Autosport Fantasy Grand Prix score you will see
>that he was a good driver to go for in that (on account that he started at
>the back and so gained lots of places).

I have to admit, the Autosport Fantasy GP is one of the better indications
of driver skill.

Quote:
>No I don't think he is a superstar, but is in the same mould as Panis
>(though not as good): reliable. Combine both Panis and Diniz with a Ligier
>Mugen, and you have a recipe for nigh on 100% finish. I am sure that
>Ligier stands to do well if any of the higher teams suffer with
>reliability.

That doesn't cut it for a guy who wants his team to _be_ one of the higher
teams and finish in the top 5 amongst constructors.  No wonder Walkinshaw
is so disappointed.  He's a racer himself; I bet the last thing he wants
to see is a season full of reliability runs.  Brundle dominated Panis last
year, and Walkinshaw apparently couldn't keep him because of budget cuts.
To keep their place (5th) Ligier needed to raise their game this year to
fend off the probably improved Saubers and maybe any of Tyrrell, Jordan
and Arrows.  Having Brundle in the seat for a full season would have been
a step in the right direction.  Having Diniz there may be a step back,
which I speculated may have been Walkinshaw's concern.  Maybe I'm wrong
and Walkinshaw prefers Diniz to Brundle and is only concerned with the
budget cuts' negative impact on R&D and testing.  Diniz fans: feel free to
believe that scenario.  And keep playing Autosport _Fantasy_ GP.

---
Sylvan Smyth

Victoria, B.C. Canada
The Formula 1 Sounds Home Page, featuring Murray Walker
http://www.islandnet.com/~sylvan/f1sounds

 
 
 

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Post by mark_o » Tue, 06 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
>I get the feeling that Damon needs a large amount of stroking to
>perform at his best.

Can you name 1 F1 driver that has performed well while being criticised
in the press by the team owner?? Let's face it...F1 is a team sport. Why
would any driver risk his life for the success of a team owner that he
hates. If FW has any criticisms of his driver..he should voice them one on
one in privacy...NO criticism should be vented in the press...did
Braitore EVER fry Herbert or Schu in the press...NEVER. Team discipline
is VERY important in F1...a driver cannot go into a race and hope to
win if he feels the team is not behind him. FW was stupid to criticise
Hill in the media last year and he has finally realized it. I still think
Damon Hill's '94 AND '95 seasons were remarkable...although they were
surpassed by Schu. He is the 2nd best driver in F1...and in the scheme
of things...thats PRETTY DARN GOOD. Especially after only 3 years in F1.
I hope he pulls it of this year.

Mark

Mark

 
 
 

New Jordan = dog + News

Post by Scott Wills » Thu, 08 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Can you name 1 F1 driver that has performed well while being criticised
>in the press by the team owner??

Niki Lauda at Ferrari.

Scott


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