Schumacher's mouth again

Schumacher's mouth again

Post by Alan Pengel » Tue, 24 Oct 1995 04:00:00


After winning the race pretty convincingly (with the help of his
pit team) you'd think that Schumacher would be happy. But once again
he shows that mentally he has something missing - I don't know
what it is (cynics might say a personality). He's criticism of Hill's
driving was down-right rediculous to the point where you have to
 question the maturity of this guy. Senna was mad - but with him
it was the madness of a twisted genius - with Schumacher it's
a lot simpler, he's just a spoilt brat who's been incredibly
fortunate (he's good I know, but a long way short of great). I
don't think - in terms of overall personality - that I can think
of a more undeserving WC in F1 history.

Best driver this year has been Alesi - he's produced some stunning
drives.

Alan

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Post by P. Groeppe » Tue, 24 Oct 1995 04:00:00

"...mentally he has something missing..."
"...question the maturity of this guy..."
"...he's just a spoilt brat..."
"...he's good I know, but a long way short of great..."
"I don't think - in terms of overall personality - that I can think
  of a more undeserving WC in F1 history."

In these days there are trainings offered for almost anything. Including
personality training. And they produce good results, if the person is
really willing to improve. It's up to every individual, to try ...
Cheers, Peter Groepper
European Space Agency
(My sincere congratulations to Michael Schumacher)

 
 
 

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Post by Toine Beun » Tue, 24 Oct 1995 04:00:00

|>
|>After winning the race pretty convincingly (with the help of his
|>pit team)

Yep again Hill was standing losing a big part of the race in the PITS
first pitstop was a standard example of how to ruen a race for someone,
comes in third after ferrari and before schumacher comes out behind
shumacher and behind a group of other cars. Sheer frustration must have
filled the guy.
|>He's criticism of Hill's
|>driving was down-right rediculous to the point where you have to
|> question the maturity of this guy.
That comments also made me raise an eyebrow, this time Hill drove a good line
no weaving no bashing and still schumacher makes this kind of remarks,
In my opinion Schumacher is a great driver but sportsmanslike he is
a nobody!
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Post by Jules Wrait » Tue, 24 Oct 1995 04:00:00

Could'nt aggree more!
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Post by Paul Smy » Tue, 24 Oct 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>After winning the race pretty convincingly (with the help of his
>pit team) you'd think that Schumacher would be happy. But once again
>he shows that mentally he has something missing - I don't know
>what it is (cynics might say a personality). He's criticism of Hill's
>driving was down-right rediculous to the point where you have to
> question the maturity of this guy. Senna was mad - but with him
>it was the madness of a twisted genius - with Schumacher it's
>a lot simpler, he's just a spoilt brat who's been incredibly
>fortunate (he's good I know, but a long way short of great).

And you think Hill WASN'T completely stupid for letting TWO Ferraris
through in an effort to stop Schumacher getting past...
part of the point is not just that he blocked Schumacher, which was fair
enough maybe, but that he let the Ferraris through in the process.

It all backfired totally on Hill in the end when he got stuck behind Alesi for
about 30 laps - so it served him right really for letting them through in
the first place...

If I was Schumacher I'd be pretty amused that Hill ended up coming third
as a result of his efforts to block me!

Quote:
> I
>don't think - in terms of overall personality - that I can think
>of a more undeserving WC in F1 history.

What sort of a personality would you like to become world champion?

Someone more considerate to other drivers who doesn't spout his mouth
off all the time, perhaps - like Senna, or Piquet, or Mansell...

Now they never complained.... 8-)

Quote:

>Best driver this year has been Alesi - he's produced some stunning
>drives.

I'll agree that Alesi was unlucky to lose in the European GP.

Quote:
>Alan

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Post by Thomas Hert » Tue, 24 Oct 1995 04:00:00

: pit team) you'd think that Schumacher would be happy. But once again
: he shows that mentally he has something missing - I don't know
  ^^ _who_ is showing this,  Dr Alan D. Pengelly?
: what it is (cynics might say a personality). He's criticism of Hill's
: driving was down-right rediculous to the point where you have to
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^]
              very correct, since Hill has tried to push Schumacher
out of the track right after the start. Only for this reason, they both
were so slow, that the both Ferraris could pass them. But this was in
fact a (one more) mistake by Hill. Than Hill was the person, who was
obligated to win, and not Schumacher. By pushing himself to the third
position behind a slow Alesi, Hill lost finally the chance to win the
championship. Schumacher was able to relax and to follow Alesi and
him with no risk.

Furthermore, Hill was again the person bumping somebody else on
the track. Furthermore, even your countrymen and specialist, like
Watson on Eurosport has heavily criticized Hill for his performance
during this race and prized Schumi for his ``cool professional'' kind
of driving.

Furthermore, Schumaches tongue is very fine. I do not know, how good
your german is, but compared to such people like Boris Becker he is
really diplomatic and he is formulating the sentences very carefull. In
every case in the conflict with Hill, he has just _reacted_ to Hills
attacks against him. Because of his sportive achievments _and_
personality has was for example elected 1994 in whole Europe to be the
``sportsmen of the year''. For the same reason, UNESCO has elected him
this year to cooperate with him, dear Alan D. Pengelly.

The conflict between Schumacher and Hill was like the
rivalty between Mozart and Salieri. But you on the Island
do tend still to often to keep yourself to be per definition
those persons with a behaviour with no fault, and this is wrong
in _your_ behaviour. Many of you try to paint the
Schumacher-Hill rivalty as a rivalty between ``Winston Hill
and Adolf Schumacher'' and am still asking me, is this
behaviour of yours just funny or ill and dangerous.

Thomas.

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Post by Roberto Corra » Tue, 24 Oct 1995 04:00:00

: And you think Hill WASN'T completely stupid for letting TWO Ferraris
: through in an effort to stop Schumacher getting past...

Well he wasn't THAT stupid as only ONE Ferrari got by him, where as they
BOTH got by Schumacher.

: part of the point is not just that he blocked Schumacher, which was fair
: enough maybe, but that he let the Ferraris through in the process.

It wouldn't be the first time someone tried to do that, so to get a
cushion from the other car. It's not particularly nice but then the
rules have been ratified.

: It all backfired totally on Hill in the end when he got stuck behind Alesi for
: about 30 laps - so it served him right really for letting them through in
: the first place...
: If I was Schumacher I'd be pretty amused that Hill ended up coming third
: as a result of his efforts to block me!

I'm sure he was, but he was out of order complaining about Hill, he can
dish it out but he can't take it, is that the case? Good-luck to Alesi
and Berger next year.

        Rob

 
 
 

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Post by Wolfgang Thal » Tue, 24 Oct 1995 04:00:00


Quote:

> >After winning the race pretty convincingly (with the help of his
> >pit team) you'd think that Schumacher would be happy. But once again
> >he shows that mentally he has something missing - I don't know
> >what it is (cynics might say a personality). He's criticism of Hill's
> >driving was down-right rediculous to the point where you have to
> > question the maturity of this guy. Senna was mad - but with him
> >it was the madness of a twisted genius - with Schumacher it's
> >a lot simpler, he's just a spoilt brat who's been incredibly
> >fortunate (he's good I know, but a long way short of great).

> And you think Hill WASN'T completely stupid for letting TWO Ferraris
> through in an effort to stop Schumacher getting past...
> part of the point is not just that he blocked Schumacher, which was fair
> enough maybe, but that he let the Ferraris through in the process.

> It all backfired totally on Hill in the end when he got stuck behind Alesi for
> about 30 laps - so it served him right really for letting them through in
> the first place...

> If I was Schumacher I'd be pretty amused that Hill ended up coming third
> as a result of his efforts to block me!

I completely agree. Since Hill was on a 3 stop strategy and he had to know
that his pit stops would taker longer than Schumacher's, why did he focus on
Schumacher and opened the gap for Alesi? Hill could have been second
and running away to get the 10 secs ahead that he needed later for the
longer pit stops.
 
 
 

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Post by Michael Tin » Tue, 24 Oct 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

> After winning the race pretty convincingly (with the help of his
> pit team) you'd think that Schumacher would be happy. But once again
> he shows that mentally he has something missing - I don't know
> what it is (cynics might say a personality). He's criticism of Hill's
> driving was down-right rediculous to the point where you have to
>  question the maturity of this guy. Senna was mad - but with him
> it was the madness of a twisted genius - with Schumacher it's
> a lot simpler, he's just a spoilt brat who's been incredibly
> fortunate (he's good I know, but a long way short of great). I
> don't think - in terms of overall personality - that I can think
> of a more undeserving WC in F1 history.

> Best driver this year has been Alesi - he's produced some stunning
> drives.

> Alan

There we go: the first negative, whining message about
the brilliant double WORLD CHAMPION Michael Schumacher.
Is it coincidence that it was sent from .u.k., or are just as bad a looser as Damon Hill?

Michael Tinkl

 
 
 

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Post by Wolfgang Thal » Tue, 24 Oct 1995 04:00:00


Quote:


> |>
> |>After winning the race pretty convincingly (with the help of his
> |>pit team)

> Yep again Hill was standing losing a big part of the race in the PITS
> first pitstop was a standard example of how to ruen a race for someone,
> comes in third after ferrari and before schumacher comes out behind
> shumacher and behind a group of other cars. Sheer frustration must have
> filled the guy.

I guess Hill just started with less fuel than Schumacher and Alesi to get him
ahead of the crowd. Too bad his silly move in the first turn [see below]
blocked him behind Alesi. So he actually didn't get the 4-8 secs ahead
that he needed to compensate for a 4-5 longer pit stop to get more fuel.
It seems that looking at the pit stops of various teams, refueling is on the
critical path. Tire change is done in 5 secs. Refueling takes 7-11 secs.
Since I didn't see a major mistake refueling Hill's car I guess they
just had to put more fuel in. This season Hill was more hurt by bad
race tactics than pit crew mistakes.

Quote:
> |>He's criticism of Hill's
> |>driving was down-right rediculous to the point where you have to
> |> question the maturity of this guy.
> That comments also made me raise an eyebrow, this time Hill drove a good line
> no weaving no bashing and still schumacher makes this kind of remarks,
> In my opinion Schumacher is a great driver but sportsmanslike he is
> a nobody!

Well, just look at the first turn. IMHO Hill tried to push Schumacher
off the track. He would have succeeded if Schumacher wouldn't have come
to an almost complete stop. When Hill saw that Schumacher was about to
pass him, he was going from the way right to the left, opening the
inside for Alesi ... and Berger almost made it, too. Too bad that
Hill was stuck behind Alesi with less fuel.
 
 
 

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Post by Klaus-Dieter Haege » Wed, 25 Oct 1995 04:00:00

:
: what it is (cynics might say a personality). He's criticism of Hill's
: driving was down-right rediculous to the point where you have to

I suppose it is an misunderstanding. In german press he
stated that Hill has spoiled his own race for blocking
him at the start and letting the Ferraris by.
Or did you meant something else I missed?

klaus

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FhG-IPA Stuttgart

 
 
 

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Post by Plantma » Wed, 25 Oct 1995 04:00:00

A whole lot of nonsense has been posted about Hill and Schumacher
So I may as well add my bit!

In my opinion Michael Schumacher won this year's title for a number
of reasons:

* Michael Schumacher is probably the best driver in F1 and he
  drives a pretty good car that is tailor-made to his requirments
  (to the expense of his team mates).

* Damon Hill is probably a very good driver and he drives without
  doubt the quickest car around (just look at his team mates)

I think these two points explain their relative qualifying positions

When it comes to races the two points above are just as valid but
you must add to this the following points.

* Schumacher drives for Benetton: a team who have dedicated
  themselves to the German so that any problem on his car is
  sorted before his team mate's car is worried about, during the
  race (I'm led to believe ) His team mate's car is loaded up with
  fuel so that Michael can choose the right time to stop I can't
  recall Herbert pitting before him this year( except at Imola when
  Herbert was waved through because schumacher was behind him)

* Even without the single minded approach Benetton are by far the
  most creative and inventive strategists in F1

* Hill's team it has to be said think tactics are small minty things

* We've all seen a Williams pit crew***up - I've seen Benetton
  make mistakes like torching Verstappen, leaving the jack on
  Herbert, and they put Johnny's rears on wrong at Spa, but they
  seem to concentrate extra hard for Schumacher.

* Williams aren't apparently interested in winning the driver's
  championship as much as the constructors one,eg  a lack
  of team orders.

* Benetton don't need team orders - that's already been seen too.

on reflection it surprises me that Michael didn't win the title
earlier - although I guess Silverstone and Monza have something to
do with that?! :)

Also I am British and I do think that Schumacher is arrogant
however I don't get F1 confused with 2 World wars and Schumacher
is Michael Schumacher not Adolf Schumacher (besides he was Austrian)  

 
 
 

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Post by WHITE BR » Wed, 25 Oct 1995 04:00:00


Quote:

>: And you think Hill WASN'T completely stupid for letting TWO Ferraris
>: through in an effort to stop Schumacher getting past...

>Well he wasn't THAT stupid as only ONE Ferrari got by him, where as they
>BOTH got by Schumacher.

But of course Schu was able to pass one Ferrari in short order, then take
the other one in the pits.  I don't believe DH passed ANY Ferrari on the
track? (or the pits for that matter :) )
 
 
 

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Post by Graham Shevli » Wed, 25 Oct 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>I suppose it is an misunderstanding. In german press he
>stated that Hill has spoiled his own race for blocking
>him at the start and letting the Ferraris by.
>Or did you meant something else I missed?

This is true. Given that Hill needed to show Schumacher that he was
not going to continually be a 'soft touch' when racing, I think that
he did the logical thing. It did let Alesi past Hill, but Schumacher
ended up behind Berger, so Hill won the battle but lost the war.

Graham

 
 
 

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Post by Dave Eat » Thu, 26 Oct 1995 04:00:00


Quote:
>: And you think Hill WASN'T completely stupid for letting TWO Ferraris
>: through in an effort to stop Schumacher getting past...

>Well he wasn't THAT stupid as only ONE Ferrari got by him, where as they
>BOTH got by Schumacher.

seems to me that what hill had to be concerned about was winning. there
is no point to his championship bid in '95 unless he won the race. trying to
keep mickey behind him was not as important as him getting maximum points.
(ie. there were only a max of 30 points up for grabs, and a 27 point
deficit).

i'd put the chicane manouuvre down to the red mist...

-dave.