Could Ferrari Have Been Charged With Manslaughter In Rubens Had Died When His Ferrari Fell Apart?

Could Ferrari Have Been Charged With Manslaughter In Rubens Had Died When His Ferrari Fell Apart?

Post by Rainer Wolfcast » Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:33:34


I know Italy tried or at least filed a case against Sir Frank, Newey,
Patrick Head and ???? for manslaughter after Senna's crash at Imola.

Thank goodness Rubens is fine but if he had dies - could Ferrari have
been charged with manslaughter or negligence.  We all saw the
catastrophic failure of his Ferrari when the back end of the car just
exploded in pieces due to negligence.

 
 
 

Could Ferrari Have Been Charged With Manslaughter In Rubens Had Died When His Ferrari Fell Apart?

Post by Doug Elliso » Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:58:26


Quote:
> We all saw the
> catastrophic failure of his Ferrari when the back end of the car just
> exploded in pieces due to negligence.

You dont ask the same question of BAR with Button's monaco crash, or Jordan
with Firman's crash.

Facts are - you SAY there was negligence, but I challenge you to prove it

Doug

 
 
 

Could Ferrari Have Been Charged With Manslaughter In Rubens Had Died When His Ferrari Fell Apart?

Post by DJRJ » Sat, 30 Aug 2003 05:04:53


Quote:
> I know Italy tried or at least filed a case against Sir Frank, Newey,
> Patrick Head and ???? for manslaughter after Senna's crash at Imola.

> Thank goodness Rubens is fine but if he had dies - could Ferrari have
> been charged with manslaughter or negligence.  We all saw the
> catastrophic failure of his Ferrari when the back end of the car just
> exploded in pieces due to negligence.

It was RB's fault the car broke, say Ferrari.

 
 
 

Could Ferrari Have Been Charged With Manslaughter In Rubens Had Died When His Ferrari Fell Apart?

Post by Malachi Constan » Sat, 30 Aug 2003 06:33:31

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:58:26 +0100, "Doug Ellison"

Quote:



>> We all saw the
>> catastrophic failure of his Ferrari when the back end of the car just
>> exploded in pieces due to negligence.

No one but you saw anything of the sort, tempera brains.

Quote:
>You dont ask the same question of BAR with Button's monaco crash, or Jordan
>with Firman's crash.

They're not Italian teams.

Quote:
>Facts are - you SAY there was negligence, but I challenge you to prove it

...I challenge her to even define it properly.
 
 
 

Could Ferrari Have Been Charged With Manslaughter In Rubens Had Died When His Ferrari Fell Apart?

Post by Ric » Sat, 30 Aug 2003 06:38:54


Quote:
> I know Italy tried or at least filed a case against Sir Frank, Newey,
> Patrick Head and ???? for manslaughter after Senna's crash at Imola.

> Thank goodness Rubens is fine but if he had dies - could Ferrari have
> been charged with manslaughter or negligence.  We all saw the
> catastrophic failure of his Ferrari when the back end of the car just
> exploded in pieces due to negligence.

If it was negligence, maybe.
If not, it might be similar to me punching you to death for posting trolls
on Usenet, then claiming that I was driven to do it.  What does everyone
else think?
 
 
 

Could Ferrari Have Been Charged With Manslaughter In Rubens Had Died When His Ferrari Fell Apart?

Post by Malachi Constan » Sat, 30 Aug 2003 06:39:28

Quote:



>> I know Italy tried or at least filed a case against Sir Frank, Newey,
>> Patrick Head and ???? for manslaughter after Senna's crash at Imola.

>> Thank goodness Rubens is fine but if he had dies - could Ferrari have
>> been charged with manslaughter or negligence.  We all saw the
>> catastrophic failure of his Ferrari when the back end of the car just
>> exploded in pieces due to negligence.

>It was RB's fault the car broke, say Ferrari.

They said nothing of the sort; they indicated the upper front wishbone
had not been designed with all probable contingencies considered.
 
 
 

Could Ferrari Have Been Charged With Manslaughter In Rubens Had Died When His Ferrari Fell Apart?

Post by Malachi Constan » Sat, 30 Aug 2003 06:45:22

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:38:54 +0100, "Ric"

Quote:



>> I know Italy tried or at least filed a case against Sir Frank, Newey,
>> Patrick Head and ???? for manslaughter after Senna's crash at Imola.

>> Thank goodness Rubens is fine but if he had dies - could Ferrari have
>> been charged with manslaughter or negligence.  We all saw the
>> catastrophic failure of his Ferrari when the back end of the car just
>> exploded in pieces due to negligence.

>If it was negligence, maybe.
>If not, it might be similar to me punching you to death for posting trolls
>on Usenet, then claiming that I was driven to do it.  What does everyone
>else think?

They'd never find a jury to convict you.
 
 
 

Could Ferrari Have Been Charged With Manslaughter In Rubens Had Died When His Ferrari Fell Apart?

Post by Blind Mello » Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:34:39

Quote:



>> I know Italy tried or at least filed a case against Sir Frank, Newey,
>> Patrick Head and ???? for manslaughter after Senna's crash at Imola.

>> Thank goodness Rubens is fine but if he had dies - could Ferrari have
>> been charged with manslaughter or negligence.  We all saw the
>> catastrophic failure of his Ferrari when the back end of the car just
>> exploded in pieces due to negligence.

> If it was negligence, maybe.
> If not, it might be similar to me punching you to death for posting trolls
> on Usenet, then claiming that I was driven to do it.  What does everyone
> else think?

I don't know about Ferrari negligence but in reply to the troll issue, I
would have to save justifiable ***.  Or as the number one ***
defence in Texas ... "He needed Killin'"
 
 
 

Could Ferrari Have Been Charged With Manslaughter In Rubens Had Died When His Ferrari Fell Apart?

Post by powertrai » Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:16:51

Quote:

> I know Italy tried or at least filed a case against Sir Frank, Newey,
> Patrick Head and ???? for manslaughter after Senna's crash at Imola.

> Thank goodness Rubens is fine but if he had dies - could Ferrari have
> been charged with manslaughter or negligence.  We all saw the
> catastrophic failure of his Ferrari when the back end of the car just
> exploded in pieces due to negligence.

Negligence? What negligence? The only negligence here is that you've
neglected to establish negligence other than your own.
 
 
 

Could Ferrari Have Been Charged With Manslaughter In Rubens Had Died When His Ferrari Fell Apart?

Post by powertrai » Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:14:30

Quote:

> You dont ask the same question of BAR with Button's monaco crash, or
> Jordan with Firman's crash.

Button's Monaco crash was caused by his own negligence.
 
 
 

Could Ferrari Have Been Charged With Manslaughter In Rubens Had Died When His Ferrari Fell Apart?

Post by Rainer Wolfcast » Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:01:11

Quote:

> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:38:54 +0100, "Ric"



> >> I know Italy tried or at least filed a case against Sir Frank, Newey,
> >> Patrick Head and ???? for manslaughter after Senna's crash at Imola.

> >> Thank goodness Rubens is fine but if he had dies - could Ferrari have
> >> been charged with manslaughter or negligence.  We all saw the
> >> catastrophic failure of his Ferrari when the back end of the car just
> >> exploded in pieces due to negligence.

> >If it was negligence, maybe.
> >If not, it might be similar to me punching you to death for posting trolls
> >on Usenet, then claiming that I was driven to do it.  What does everyone
> >else think?

> They'd never find a jury to convict you.

You cromagnon men can take your best shot.  My guess in real life you
are both tough guys like Jean Todt.
 
 
 

Could Ferrari Have Been Charged With Manslaughter In Rubens Had Died When His Ferrari Fell Apart?

Post by pete » Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:49:22


Quote:


>> I know Italy tried or at least filed a case against Sir Frank, Newey,
>> Patrick Head and ???? for manslaughter after Senna's crash at Imola.

>> Thank goodness Rubens is fine but if he had dies - could Ferrari have
>> been charged with manslaughter or negligence.  We all saw the
>> catastrophic failure of his Ferrari when the back end of the car just
>> exploded in pieces due to negligence.

>If it was negligence, maybe.
>If not, it might be similar to me punching you to death for posting trolls
>on Usenet, then claiming that I was driven to do it.
>What does everyone
>else think?

I think you are a moron for reply to the trolling *** .
--
Peter
 
 
 

Could Ferrari Have Been Charged With Manslaughter In Rubens Had Died When His Ferrari Fell Apart?

Post by Bob D » Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:55:18

Quote:




> >> Thank goodness Rubens is fine but if he had dies - could Ferrari have
> >> been charged with manslaughter or negligence.  We all saw the
> >> catastrophic failure of his Ferrari when the back end of the car just
> >> exploded in pieces due to negligence.

> >It was RB's fault the car broke, say Ferrari.

> They said nothing of the sort; they indicated the upper front wishbone
> had not been designed with all probable contingencies considered.

No, they said the break happened because of how the car was
driven.  Obviously Fear-rari aren't blaming Barichello because
RB wasn't driving the car. 9_9  Read on if you think they're
not blaming RB.

http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/030828/65/e739q.html
http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/030828/65/e72sc.html
   (this one included below)

As for calling this manslaughter, that's a little pedantic.  

Bob Dog

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Thursday August 28, 04:40 PM

Inconclusive explanation by Ferrari

Ferrari released information today about the probable cause of
Rubens Barrichello's accident during the Hungarian Grand Prix.

The Scuderia said : "After an accurate analysis of the available
data and after studying film of the Hungarian Grand Prix,
Scuderia Ferrari has ascertained the most probable cause of
Rubens Barrichello’s accident in the event. When he found
himself very close to the car which preceded him, Barrichello
twice hit the kerbs at an unusual angle of impact at the chicane
between Turns 6 and 7. The impacts put excessive stress on the
leading arm of the upper wishbone of the left rear suspension.
This part then broke under heavy braking on the main straight at
the start of lap 20."

First of all, the Scuderia is very cautious to say that it is
only the most probable cause of the accident, suggesting that
there might be another explanation. Let's review more carefully
their initial explanation for the accident.

Ferrari seem to believe that there was one or two impacts that
created a stress on the rear suspension. If it was the case, why
would the suspension part break under braking, at the least
critical moment?

Under braking, the weight transfer goes to the front of the car,
decreasing substantially the stress on the rear suspension. Also,
during a heavy braking zone, the car is slowing down very quickly,
which in turn decreases the aerodynamic load on the car and its
suspensions! If the suspension was the cause of the problem,
logically it would have broken in the middle of the straight,
much before the braking zone, when the load on the rear suspension
was at its peak.

And why such a splash of broken parts in a fraction of a second?
Probably because a rotating part broke...a part which was rotating
very, very fast, creating something that resembles an explosion
when it is breaking loose!

For whatever reasons, Ferrari seem to believe otherwise. A
situation that will probably remain a mystery...

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Could Ferrari Have Been Charged With Manslaughter In Rubens Had Died When His Ferrari Fell Apart?

Post by powertrai » Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:21:30

Quote:




>>> I know Italy tried or at least filed a case against Sir Frank,
>>> Newey, Patrick Head and ???? for manslaughter after Senna's crash
>>> at Imola.

>>> Thank goodness Rubens is fine but if he had dies - could Ferrari
>>> have been charged with manslaughter or negligence.  We all saw the
>>> catastrophic failure of his Ferrari when the back end of the car
>>> just exploded in pieces due to negligence.

>> If it was negligence, maybe.
>> If not, it might be similar to me punching you to death for posting
>> trolls on Usenet, then claiming that I was driven to do it.

>> What does everyone
>> else think?

> I think you are a moron for reply to the trolling *** .

And I think you're a ***wit for reply_ing to the moron who replied to
the trolling ***.