McLaren running scared!

McLaren running scared!

Post by Bob Hellan » Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:00:00


FORZA!

The true might of Ferrari is obviously in full swing!  MS lapping
just about everyone on a supposedly "McLaren" track!

McLaren have been truly humbled.  To the point where the only way to
win is cheat.

Cheat.

Have your second best mannequin "brake-check" the  (soon to be) three
time world champion, who, BTW, is leading him  by almost three
minutes.

McLaren have virtually thrown in the towel at this point.

Hakk can't even freakin' *drive* anymore he's such a mess, and DC
sucks so hard he'll cause two major crashes just to attempt to help
(?) the lame team.

The rest of the season should be a complete walk away by the
incredible red cars and the 1998 WC Michael Schumacher!!

McLaren is in shambles.  Their traction control system is falling
apart at every race; their "drivers" have completely lost all sense
of self control; their team manager is trying anything to keep the
Mercedes whips from killing him; etc, etc, etc.

Sad, I remember when McLaren used to be a respected team.  Senna,
Prost.  God, that seems like a LONG time ago.  Now they're simply a
great name on a less than great, cheating, loser of a team.

Hope DC retires after this race.  I'm quite sure he realizes he can
no longer continue in F1.

Schumacher is incredible!  World Champion for sure.  I only wish he
had gotten through the crowd to DC.  I'd love to see his smug grin
with a couple of teeth missing.

FORZA!!!

================
MS  2 to 5
Hakk  2 to 3
DC  1 to 1
Vill  3 to 1
Wurz  5 to 1
HHF  7 to 1
Eddie  8 to 1
Fisi  15 to 1
DH  20 to 1
Alesi  29 to 1
Panis  30 to 1

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Bob Helland

 
 
 

McLaren running scared!

Post by Patrick Sant » Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Bob,

You don't even have the tiniest s***of evidence that DC deliberately
took MS out. DC didn't alter his line once and MS simply plowed straight
into the back of the McLaren. The guy had more than a 30 second lead!
There was no need to try anything foolish, particularly if he is so
paranoid that he suspects that the McLaren team was simply lying in wait
for him (knowing this guy, if he blows a tire, he'll blame it on a
McLaren gunman hiding behind the grassy knoll).This situation is a far
cry from when MS deliberately turned into Hill at Adelaide in 1994 and
Villeneuve at Jerez in 1997. Now that was cheating. Feel free to try and
justify those two maneuvers. I doubt we'll hear anything intelligent and
rational from you about that.

Go cry somewhere else. The information to this newsgroup should be
FACTUAL in nature only, not the ravings of a crazed MS fan that is
wistfully seeing the chances of a world championship for Ferrari
slipping away.

Patrick

 
 
 

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Post by Mark J. Fruscian » Tue, 01 Sep 1998 04:00:00

->You don't even have the tiniest s***of evidence that DC deliberately
->took MS out. DC didn't alter his line once and MS simply plowed straight
->into the back of the McLaren. The guy had more than a 30 second lead!
->There was no need to try anything foolish, particularly if he is so
->paranoid that he suspects that the McLaren team was simply lying in wait
->for him (knowing this guy, if he blows a tire, he'll blame it on a
->McLaren gunman hiding behind the grassy knoll).

Schumacher didn't try anything foolish.  

At one of the fastest parts of the track, Coulthard, in response to the
all controlling voice in his headset, nodded twice and dumped off the
throttle.  Effecting the same result as if he had jumped on his brakes
with both pantyhose encased skirt tickling feet.

Mark
F1 Racing Page http://SportToday.org/~opus/racing.htm
Home of the RASF1 autobiographies.

 
 
 

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Post by Scott Willse » Tue, 01 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>At one of the fastest parts of the track, Coulthard, in response to the
>all controlling voice in his headset, nodded twice and dumped off the
>throttle.  Effecting the same result as if he had jumped on his brakes
>with both pantyhose encased skirt tickling feet.

>Mark
>F1 Racing Page http://www.pipeline.com/~opus/racing.htm
>Home of the RASF1 autobiographies.

Gee, I didn't realize you were there!  Why didn't you tell us you were
listening in to the radio transmissions??

You have no idea what was going on inside either of those cars, yet you
believe with all your heart that because you think it, it must be reality.

You forgot to put the words "My theory: a journey into paranoia" at the top
of that paragraph.

Scott

 
 
 

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Post by Harri Kokko » Tue, 01 Sep 1998 04:00:00

: Schumacher is incredible!  World Champion for sure.  I only wish he
: had gotten through the crowd to DC.  I'd love to see his smug grin
: with a couple of teeth missing.

I agree, Schumacher's smug face needs some readjustment ;)

: FORZA!!!

 
 
 

McLaren running scared!

Post by Jeff Yo » Tue, 01 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>Bob,

>You don't even have the tiniest s***of evidence that DC deliberately
>took MS out. DC didn't alter his line once and MS simply plowed straight
>into the back of the McLaren. The guy had more than a 30 second lead!
>There was no need to try anything foolish, particularly if he is so
>paranoid that he suspects that the McLaren team was simply lying in wait
>for him (knowing this guy, if he blows a tire, he'll blame it on a
>McLaren gunman hiding behind the grassy knoll).This situation is a far
>cry from when MS deliberately turned into Hill at Adelaide in 1994 and
>Villeneuve at Jerez in 1997. Now that was cheating. Feel free to try and
>justify those two maneuvers. I doubt we'll hear anything intelligent and
>rational from you about that.

For me,  the most depressing outcome of what looked like an
unfortunate racing accident was that Schumacher's behaviour in the
pits afterwards probably put the final seal on whether Adelaide and
Jerez were accidents or deliberate.  It seemed that,  only briefly,
the calculating machine slipped a cog and in the heat of the moment
Schu made the mistake of judging Coulthard's actions by *his* own
standards.        

--
Jeff.         Ironbridge,  Shrops,  U.K.

 "-but as he was a York, I am rather inclined to suppose him a
       very respectable Man."
                     Jane Austen, The History of England

 
 
 

McLaren running scared!

Post by Jeff Yo » Tue, 01 Sep 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>->You don't even have the tiniest s***of evidence that DC deliberately
>->took MS out. DC didn't alter his line once and MS simply plowed straight
>->into the back of the McLaren. The guy had more than a 30 second lead!
>->There was no need to try anything foolish, particularly if he is so
>->paranoid that he suspects that the McLaren team was simply lying in wait
>->for him (knowing this guy, if he blows a tire, he'll blame it on a
>->McLaren gunman hiding behind the grassy knoll).

>Schumacher didn't try anything foolish.  

>At one of the fastest parts of the track, Coulthard, in response to the
>all controlling voice in his headset, nodded twice and dumped off the
>throttle.  Effecting the same result as if he had jumped on his brakes
>with both pantyhose encased skirt tickling feet.

Get a grip Mark..

You've descended from being one of the most erudite posters on this ng
to sounding like you've accidentally cross-posted from ras-nascar.

It is fairly likely that Coulthard couldn't see Schumacher,  he may
not have even known that he was even close.  Ditto MS obviously
couldn't see DC.  Have you ever raced in the rain?  Well I have - you
cannot see a ***ing thing. The view in the mirrors of an F1 car is
limited at best,  in the rain all they can see is the spray from their
own rear tyres.   A comment from Brundle a litle earlier was that he'd
once driven in conditions like that where at times the spray actually
stopped him being able to see his *own* steering wheel.!

It was a racing accident.  Unfortunate,  as that was Schu's race,  he
had it sown up.  Maybe his ego got the better of him and he was out to
prove that he was the "reigenmeister" par excellence and as such was
pushing far too hard than sense and professionalism would have
suggested was prudent - in view of holding a 30 second lead at the
time.

--
Jeff.         Ironbridge,  Shrops,  U.K.

 "-but as he was a York, I am rather inclined to suppose him a
       very respectable Man."
                     Jane Austen, The History of England

 
 
 

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Post by Mark J. Fruscian » Tue, 01 Sep 1998 04:00:00


->>->You don't even have the tiniest s***of evidence that DC deliberately
->>->took MS out. DC didn't alter his line once and MS simply plowed straight
->>->into the back of the McLaren. The guy had more than a 30 second lead!
->>->There was no need to try anything foolish, particularly if he is so
->>->paranoid that he suspects that the McLaren team was simply lying in wait
->>->for him (knowing this guy, if he blows a tire, he'll blame it on a
->>->McLaren gunman hiding behind the grassy knoll).
->>
->>Schumacher didn't try anything foolish.  
->>
->>At one of the fastest parts of the track, Coulthard, in response to the
->>all controlling voice in his headset, nodded twice and dumped off the
->>throttle.  Effecting the same result as if he had jumped on his brakes
->>with both pantyhose encased skirt tickling feet.
->
->Get a grip Mark..
->
->You've descended from being one of the most erudite posters on this ng
->to sounding like you've accidentally cross-posted from ras-nascar.

Now *that's* uncalled for...

->It is fairly likely that Coulthard couldn't see Schumacher,  he may
->not have even known that he was even close.  Ditto MS obviously
->couldn't see DC.  Have you ever raced in the rain?  Well I have - you
->cannot see a ***ing thing. The view in the mirrors of an F1 car is
->limited at best,  in the rain all they can see is the spray from their
->own rear tyres.   A comment from Brundle a litle earlier was that he'd
->once driven in conditions like that where at times the spray actually
->stopped him being able to see his *own* steering wheel.!
->
->It was a racing accident.  Unfortunate,  as that was Schu's race,  he
->had it sown up.  Maybe his ego got the better of him and he was out to
->prove that he was the "reigenmeister" par excellence and as such was
->pushing far too hard than sense and professionalism would have
->suggested was prudent - in view of holding a 30 second lead at the
->time.

Coulthard was throwing MS off his rhythym, to the tune of some 5-6s per
lap.  Schumacher had to get around him.

I'd hoped the disgust I felt on first viewing would have dissipated by
now, but I'm only more disgusted by the filth masquerading as the fine
upstanding stiff upper lipped Team McLaren.

Absolutely despicable.  

Mark
F1 Racing Page http://SportToday.org/~opus/racing.htm
Home of the RASF1 autobiographies.

 
 
 

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Post by Mark J. Fruscian » Tue, 01 Sep 1998 04:00:00

->>Bob,
->>You don't even have the tiniest s***of evidence that DC deliberately
->>took MS out. DC didn't alter his line once and MS simply plowed straight
->>into the back of the McLaren. The guy had more than a 30 second lead!
->>There was no need to try anything foolish, particularly if he is so
->>paranoid that he suspects that the McLaren team was simply lying in wait
->>for him (knowing this guy, if he blows a tire, he'll blame it on a
->>McLaren gunman hiding behind the grassy knoll).This situation is a far
->>cry from when MS deliberately turned into Hill at Adelaide in 1994 and
->>Villeneuve at Jerez in 1997. Now that was cheating. Feel free to try and
->>justify those two maneuvers. I doubt we'll hear anything intelligent and
->>rational from you about that.
->
->For me,  the most depressing outcome of what looked like an
->unfortunate racing accident was that Schumacher's behaviour in the
->pits afterwards probably put the final seal on whether Adelaide and
->Jerez were accidents or deliberate.  It seemed that,  only briefly,
->the calculating machine slipped a cog and in the heat of the moment
->Schu made the mistake of judging Coulthard's actions by *his* own
->standards.        

You can say what you will about Adelaide and Jerez, but those were
incidents between the two combatants for the title, not one's lacky
destroying the race of the other.  Even if one accepts the CHEAT CHEAT
CHEAT line of reaasoning, and I don't:  There an irreconcilable
distinction.

Coulthard is out of the championship race, and should not have taken out
his teamates only challenger.

It is disgusting.

Mark
F1 Racing Page http://SportToday.org/~opus/racing.htm
Home of the RASF1 autobiographies.

 
 
 

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Post by Cheek Sr » Tue, 01 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Quote:



> >->You don't even have the tiniest s***of evidence that DC deliberately
> >->took MS out. DC didn't alter his line once and MS simply plowed straight
> >->into the back of the McLaren. The guy had more than a 30 second lead!
> >->There was no need to try anything foolish, particularly if he is so
> >->paranoid that he suspects that the McLaren team was simply lying in wait
> >->for him (knowing this guy, if he blows a tire, he'll blame it on a
> >->McLaren gunman hiding behind the grassy knoll).

> >Schumacher didn't try anything foolish.

> >At one of the fastest parts of the track, Coulthard, in response to the
> >all controlling voice in his headset, nodded twice and dumped off the
> >throttle.  Effecting the same result as if he had jumped on his brakes
> >with both pantyhose encased skirt tickling feet.

> Get a grip Mark..

> You've descended from being one of the most erudite posters on this ng
> to sounding like you've accidentally cross-posted from ras-nascar.

> It is fairly likely that Coulthard couldn't see Schumacher,  he may
> not have even known that he was even close.  Ditto MS obviously
> couldn't see DC.  Have you ever raced in the rain?  Well I have - you
> cannot see a ***ing thing. The view in the mirrors of an F1 car is
> limited at best,  in the rain all they can see is the spray from their
> own rear tyres.   A comment from Brundle a litle earlier was that he'd
> once driven in conditions like that where at times the spray actually
> stopped him being able to see his *own* steering wheel.!

> It was a racing accident.  Unfortunate,  as that was Schu's race,  he
> had it sown up.  Maybe his ego got the better of him and he was out to
> prove that he was the "reigenmeister" par excellence and as such was
> pushing far too hard than sense and professionalism would have
> suggested was prudent - in view of holding a 30 second lead at the
> time.

> --
> Jeff.         Ironbridge,  Shrops,  U.K.

An eerie reminder of Hockenheim practice in 1982,when the driver of
the top Ferrari took a completely unnecessary risk in the blinding spray
this one could so easily have gone the same way.Schumacher was far too
aggressive,dealing with a lapped Coulthard as if it were a dive for the
lead in dry conditions.
Schumacher drives right on the edge,and this time he made a mistake.
His behaviour in the pit lane was an ugly sight.
 Doc
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Post by Jeff Yo » Tue, 01 Sep 1998 04:00:00


Quote:



>->>->You don't even have the tiniest s***of evidence that DC deliberately
>->>->took MS out. DC didn't alter his line once and MS simply plowed straight
>->>->into the back of the McLaren. The guy had more than a 30 second lead!
>->>->There was no need to try anything foolish, particularly if he is so
>->>->paranoid that he suspects that the McLaren team was simply lying in wait
>->>->for him (knowing this guy, if he blows a tire, he'll blame it on a
>->>->McLaren gunman hiding behind the grassy knoll).
>->>
>->>Schumacher didn't try anything foolish.  
>->>
>->>At one of the fastest parts of the track, Coulthard, in response to the
>->>all controlling voice in his headset, nodded twice and dumped off the
>->>throttle.  Effecting the same result as if he had jumped on his brakes
>->>with both pantyhose encased skirt tickling feet.
>->
>->Get a grip Mark..
>->
>->You've descended from being one of the most erudite posters on this ng
>->to sounding like you've accidentally cross-posted from ras-nascar.

>Now *that's* uncalled for...

>->It is fairly likely that Coulthard couldn't see Schumacher,  he may
>->not have even known that he was even close.  Ditto MS obviously
>->couldn't see DC.  Have you ever raced in the rain?  Well I have - you
>->cannot see a ***ing thing. The view in the mirrors of an F1 car is
>->limited at best,  in the rain all they can see is the spray from their
>->own rear tyres.   A comment from Brundle a litle earlier was that he'd
>->once driven in conditions like that where at times the spray actually
>->stopped him being able to see his *own* steering wheel.!
>->
>->It was a racing accident.  Unfortunate,  as that was Schu's race,  he
>->had it sown up.  Maybe his ego got the better of him and he was out to
>->prove that he was the "reigenmeister" par excellence and as such was
>->pushing far too hard than sense and professionalism would have
>->suggested was prudent - in view of holding a 30 second lead at the
>->time.

>Coulthard was throwing MS off his rhythym, to the tune of some 5-6s per
>lap.  Schumacher had to get around him.

>I'd hoped the disgust I felt on first viewing would have dissipated by
>now, but I'm only more disgusted by the filth masquerading as the fine
>upstanding stiff upper lipped Team McLaren.

>Absolutely despicable.  

No..   No need for histrionics and *** theories..  It was
simply an accident.   Just one of those things..

--
Jeff.         Ironbridge,  Shrops,  U.K.

 "-but as he was a York, I am rather inclined to suppose him a
       very respectable Man."
                     Jane Austen, The History of England

 
 
 

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Post by Jeff Yo » Tue, 01 Sep 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>->For me,  the most depressing outcome of what looked like an
>->unfortunate racing accident was that Schumacher's behaviour in the
>->pits afterwards probably put the final seal on whether Adelaide and
>->Jerez were accidents or deliberate.  It seemed that,  only briefly,
>->the calculating machine slipped a cog and in the heat of the moment
>->Schu made the mistake of judging Coulthard's actions by *his* own
>->standards.        

>You can say what you will about Adelaide and Jerez, but those were
>incidents between the two combatants for the title, not one's lacky
>destroying the race of the other.  Even if one accepts the CHEAT CHEAT
>CHEAT line of reaasoning, and I don't:  There an irreconcilable
>distinction.

>Coulthard is out of the championship race, and should not have taken out
>his teamates only challenger.

>It is disgusting.

It would indeed be disgusting if Coulthard had "taken out" Schumacher
intentionally.  The stewards of the meeting decided that it was a
racing accident.  End of discussion.

--
Jeff.         Ironbridge,  Shrops,  U.K.

 "-but as he was a York, I am rather inclined to suppose him a
       very respectable Man."
                     Jane Austen, The History of England

 
 
 

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Post by Barry Posne » Tue, 01 Sep 1998 04:00:00


: Effecting the same result as if he had jumped on his brakes
: with both pantyhose encased skirt tickling feet.

Yet again, invoking femaleness as the worst possible
insult. And you said I was "tired".

Despicable.

bp/ed/ab/ca/eh?

 
 
 

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Post by Mark J. Fruscian » Tue, 01 Sep 1998 04:00:00


->>You can say what you will about Adelaide and Jerez, but those were
->>incidents between the two combatants for the title, not one's lacky
->>destroying the race of the other.  Even if one accepts the CHEAT CHEAT
->>CHEAT line of reaasoning, and I don't:  There an irreconcilable
->>distinction.
->>
->>Coulthard is out of the championship race, and should not have taken out
->>his teamates only challenger.
->>
->>It is disgusting.
->
->It would indeed be disgusting if Coulthard had "taken out" Schumacher
->intentionally.  The stewards of the meeting decided that it was a
->racing accident.  End of discussion.

This would be the same FIA that "can't find an elephant in a zoo" when
it comes to Jerez '97, and BG '98 ?

Why are they now, suddenly, the very essence of verity ?

Just wondering.

Mark
F1 Racing Page http://www.pipeline.com/~opus/racing.htm
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Post by Mark J. Fruscian » Tue, 01 Sep 1998 04:00:00


->: Effecting the same result as if he had jumped on his brakes
->: with both pantyhose encased skirt tickling feet.
->
->Yet again, invoking femaleness as the worst possible
->insult. And you said I was "tired".

You are.  

It has nothing to do with women, or femininity, and everything to do
with a guy wearing women's clothes.  I can love and respect women while
still finding men in skirts somewhat laughable, especially when they're
the type to keep their helmet on when confronted face to face after
coming far too close to killing another man.

->Despicable.

Not when presented fairly, and no, I don't fear you are fooling anyone.

Mark
F1 Racing Page http://www.pipeline.com/~opus/racing.htm
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