Webber Vettel

Webber Vettel

Post by AC » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 00:17:32


I'm watching the BBC F1 Forum.

Any one else getting the sense that Webber was asked in some way to let
Vettel by, and refused, or made it too hard?

AC

 
 
 

Webber Vettel

Post by Ray OHar » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 00:21:31

Quote:

> I'm watching the BBC F1 Forum.

> Any one else getting the sense that Webber was asked in some way to let
> Vettel by, and refused, or made it too hard?

> AC

ask the WDC points leader to pull aside???

 
 
 

Webber Vettel

Post by Ian Dalzie » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 00:25:14

On Sun, 30 May 2010 11:21:31 -0400, "Ray OHara"

Quote:


>> I'm watching the BBC F1 Forum.

>> Any one else getting the sense that Webber was asked in some way to let
>> Vettel by, and refused, or made it too hard?

>> AC

>ask the WDC points leader to pull aside???

For the WDC points leader, you mean?

--

Ian D

 
 
 

Webber Vettel

Post by Tiny » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 00:40:10


Quote:
> I'm watching the BBC F1 Forum.

> Any one else getting the sense that Webber was asked in some way to let
> Vettel by, and refused, or made it too hard?

> AC

If he had been I think we would have seen smoke and heat from the
***pit of his car.
 
 
 

Webber Vettel

Post by Bigbir » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 01:02:54

Quote:

> I'm watching the BBC F1 Forum.

> Any one else getting the sense that Webber was asked in some way to
> let Vettel by, and refused, or made it too hard?

No, but there is a rumour that he was deliberately disadvantaged.
Similarly Lewis appeared to suspect something similar which is why he
was not a happy bunny for a race winner.

--
Bigbird
#
You'll be laughing when I'm dead!

 
 
 

Webber Vettel

Post by AC » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:00:54


Quote:

>> I'm watching the BBC F1 Forum.

>> Any one else getting the sense that Webber was asked in some way to
>> let Vettel by, and refused, or made it too hard?

> No, but there is a rumour that he was deliberately disadvantaged.

To what end though? Getting Seb past?

Quote:
> Similarly Lewis appeared to suspect something similar which is why he
> was not a happy bunny for a race winner.

Indeed.

Yeah, a lot of weird contradictory stuff going on, like Horner apparently
switching support. Perhaps it more to do with the extraordinary amount of
press inquiry, and people no all being on message.

AC

 
 
 

Webber Vettel

Post by AC » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:02:51


Quote:


>> I'm watching the BBC F1 Forum.

>> Any one else getting the sense that Webber was asked in some way to let
>> Vettel by, and refused, or made it too hard?

>> AC

> ask the WDC points leader to pull aside???

Yeah. There was this suggestion that Vettel is seen as the golden boy, i.e.
the future, and by implication Webber is not.

I'm not saying what did or did not happen. Its just things seem a little
weird. Question is what and why?

Probably never find out.

AC

 
 
 

Webber Vettel

Post by Paul Giveri » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:11:16



Quote:

>> I'm watching the BBC F1 Forum.

>> Any one else getting the sense that Webber was asked in some way to
>> let Vettel by, and refused, or made it too hard?

>No, but there is a rumour that he was deliberately disadvantaged.
>Similarly Lewis appeared to suspect something similar which is why he
>was not a happy bunny for a race winner.

The BBC pit lane crew said that LH had been called in for tyres first
and that Red Bull reacted by calling in MW on the same lap. I just can't
understand why LH was called in for tyres before MW.

He was obviously as fast, if not faster than MW at that time so it would
be best to let MW pit first and have LH put in one or two quick laps on
a clear track. If Lewis's tyres had started to go off then that would
obviously have changed things but his performance suggests that this was
not the case.

I wonder if this was why LH was subdued.

--
Paul Giverin

My Photos:- www.pbase.com/vendee

 
 
 

Webber Vettel

Post by Andre » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:12:55

Quote:

> I'm watching the BBC F1 Forum.

> Any one else getting the sense that Webber was asked in some way to let
> Vettel by, and refused, or made it too hard?

> AC

Vettel, who is my favorite driver should be harshly disciplined for that
move.
I couldn't believe it when I watched it.

--
Andrew

 
 
 

Webber Vettel

Post by Sir Ti » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:23:27

Quote:

>I'm watching the BBC F1 Forum.

>Any one else getting the sense that Webber was asked in some way to let
>Vettel by, and refused, or made it too hard?

Apparently Webber had to change to "fuel saving mode" a lap earlier
than Vettel which gave Seb his chance:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84050

Hamilton looked pretty disconsolate after his win so maybe the same
sort of thing was happening at McLaren (not to take away from a great
move by Jenson).

Quite frankly, it's all getting so technical - with everything
controlled from the pits - that I'm rapidly beginning to lose interest
(like many others here, judging by the current rasf1 traffic).

I record the race, watch the start and then fast-forward to any
incidents. Can't be pissed to watch lap after repetitive lap.

And I used to regard myself as an F1 fanatic who would never miss a
lap of qualy or the race!
--
Henry Birkin Bt.

 
 
 

Webber Vettel

Post by Sir Ti » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:26:33



Quote:



>>> I'm watching the BBC F1 Forum.

>>> Any one else getting the sense that Webber was asked in some way to
>>> let Vettel by, and refused, or made it too hard?

>>No, but there is a rumour that he was deliberately disadvantaged.
>>Similarly Lewis appeared to suspect something similar which is why he
>>was not a happy bunny for a race winner.

>The BBC pit lane crew said that LH had been called in for tyres first
>and that Red Bull reacted by calling in MW on the same lap. I just can't
>understand why LH was called in for tyres before MW.

>He was obviously as fast, if not faster than MW at that time so it would
>be best to let MW pit first and have LH put in one or two quick laps on
>a clear track. If Lewis's tyres had started to go off then that would
>obviously have changed things but his performance suggests that this was
>not the case.

>I wonder if this was why LH was subdued.

Yeah, it seemed like madness to me too, but a win is a win and Lewis
is normally ebullient.
Perhaps things aren't goint too well with his corncrake-voiced
girlfriend :)
--
Henry Birkin Bt.
 
 
 

Webber Vettel

Post by Ray OHar » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:27:59

Quote:





>>> I'm watching the BBC F1 Forum.

>>> Any one else getting the sense that Webber was asked in some way to let
>>> Vettel by, and refused, or made it too hard?

>>> AC

>> ask the WDC points leader to pull aside???

> Yeah. There was this suggestion that Vettel is seen as the golden boy,
> i.e. the future, and by implication Webber is not.

> I'm not saying what did or did not happen. Its just things seem a little
> weird. Question is what and why?

> Probably never find out.

> AC

we will after the season when the dirt gets aired out
 
 
 

Webber Vettel

Post by T98765432 » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:37:49

I'll bet Vettel wanted to slug Webber when he first saw him.
 
 
 

Webber Vettel

Post by Bigbir » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 04:38:43

Quote:




> > > I'm watching the BBC F1 Forum.

> > > Any one else getting the sense that Webber was asked in some way
> > > to let Vettel by, and refused, or made it too hard?

> > No, but there is a rumour that he was deliberately disadvantaged.
> > Similarly Lewis appeared to suspect something similar which is why
> > he was not a happy bunny for a race winner.

> The BBC pit lane crew said that LH had been called in for tyres first
> and that Red Bull reacted by calling in MW on the same lap. I just
> can't understand why LH was called in for tyres before MW.

> He was obviously as fast, if not faster than MW at that time so it
> would be best to let MW pit first and have LH put in one or two quick
> laps on a clear track.

You need only look at Vettels sector times.

IIRC Vettel was doing some purple sectors on his out lap.

Pitting before Webber would have given Hamilton a good chance of
overtaking Webber. Staying out may have put them both behind Vettel
within a couple of laps.

Button was quicker than both of them but Vettel quicker still on fresh
tyres.

Quote:
> If Lewis's tyres had started to go off then
> that would obviously have changed things but his performance suggests
> that this was not the case.

> I wonder if this was why LH was subdued.

--
Bigbird
#
You'll be laughing when I'm dead!
 
 
 

Webber Vettel

Post by frit » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 05:20:40


Quote:
> I'll bet Vettel wanted to slug Webber when he first saw him.

Vettel ***ED UP !  NO QUESTION !
Vettel should apologise to Webber and the Renault team for ***ING UP in
such a big way. Vettel has a lot to learn, he better learn fast and admit he
made
a BIG mistake in Turkey.