Ferrari's extra cash and power

Ferrari's extra cash and power

Post by Bobste » Wed, 03 Apr 2013 14:30:24


http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport/story/104589.html

Several points of interest here...

1) No concorde in place at present

2) In the meantime Bernie is cutting individual deals with teams.

3) Ferrari, uniquely, have an "out" for their deal with FOM and FIA.

4) Ferrari, RBR and McLaren are getting extra money outside of the
allocation based on WMC points.

5) "Ferrari may terminate if the regulatory safeguards agreed between
the FIA and Ferrari do not allow Ferrari to veto any change to the
regulations already announced or introduced (subject to certain
exceptions)."

I don't think (5) has run continuously since whenever. My
understanding is that whilst they did have such a concession for a
while, it was dropped under the previous concorde when the teams were
all pretending to be united. I think that this is a re-introduction,
not a continuation.

 
 
 

Ferrari's extra cash and power

Post by AC » Wed, 03 Apr 2013 22:37:27

Quote:

> http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport/story/104589.html

> Several points of interest here...

> 1) No concorde in place at present

> 2) In the meantime Bernie is cutting individual deals with teams.

> 3) Ferrari, uniquely, have an "out" for their deal with FOM and FIA.

> 4) Ferrari, RBR and McLaren are getting extra money outside of the
> allocation based on WMC points.

> 5) "Ferrari may terminate if the regulatory safeguards agreed between
> the FIA and Ferrari do not allow Ferrari to veto any change to the
> regulations already announced or introduced (subject to certain
> exceptions)."

> I don't think (5) has run continuously since whenever. My
> understanding is that whilst they did have such a concession for a
> while, it was dropped under the previous concorde when the teams were
> all pretending to be united. I think that this is a re-introduction,
> not a continuation.

Date of article aside......

Yeah, and the rest. We all know the FIA and Bernard think Ferrari are oh
so essential, blah, blah. If Ferrari get the hand holding, then I think
fair enough to McLaren on a historic level, but RBR? Why do they get any
thing extra or a say? Had they been around 25years, fair enough, but
tomorrow they could announce a pull out. Aren't William in this little
group too? Thought they got a historical bung too? Then why not Lotus,
who are essentially Benetton. Other teams have deep F1 DNA too.

However, we also know F1 is apparently the only marketing Ferrari do, or
was said to be anyway. Well, if F1 is anything to go by Ferrari are
complete shit at building cars. That has to be the marketing message to
its customers. They get all these extras to help them out, but still
they can't build a better racing car than an Austrian drinks company.

Ferrari are a complete joke. I wonder how long it will be until we get
either a scandal of a season, or half of RBR up sticks to Italy to show
the morons how its done. Even if Ferrari do win again, it will always be
hollow and tainted as we all know how bent F1 and its finances and power
are. How this isnt damaging to the brand is beyond me. Although reading
and listening to Ferrari fans is like listening to deluded psychiatric
patients most of the time, so I suppose any old win would be fine for
such minds.

Either Ferrari customers were blinkered idiots, or don't give a toss
about the F1 team's performance. In which case, why do Ferrari bother?

Just imagine if Liverpool FC got special payments and power from the
Premier League or the FA, worse still, both. Why not, big brand,
historical, etc. But such a scandal would be massive. Not so in the
fantasy world of F1.

What we really need it transparency and fairness. This bullshit of the
Concorde agreement should stop. All these secret deals should stop. On
top of that, the whole thing should be transparent and public.

I can take all the on track bullshit, iffy stewards decisions and
Bernard screwing very one in sight, but this secret society inequality
is one thing that very much puts me off F1. No team should ever be
favoured by the governing bodies in any sport, ever.

In the end, as a F1 fan, I have to put all this aside, other wise I
would not bother with F1 at all. But always in the back of my mind is
that the whole sport is pretty much bent.

Article date aside, that is...

--
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Ferrari's extra cash and power

Post by Mark Jackso » Wed, 03 Apr 2013 22:52:11


Quote:

>> http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport/story/104589.html
> Date of article aside......

On *2* April, we have:

http://www.pitpass.com/48762-Confirmed-Ferrari-has-veto-over-Formula-...

Source of article aside......

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Ferrari's extra cash and power

Post by AC » Thu, 04 Apr 2013 03:11:01

Quote:



>>> http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport/story/104589.html

>> Date of article aside......

> On *2* April, we have:

> http://www.pitpass.com/48762-Confirmed-Ferrari-has-veto-over-Formula-...

> Source of article aside......

Cheers.

Regarding Pitpass, any one know what the deal with Christian Sylt is?
They mention that name with the same enthusiasm a NASCAR commentator
mentions the sponsor(s). TBH, I'm beginning to find it a bit creepy.

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Ferrari's extra cash and power

Post by Bobste » Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:18:26


<snip>
Quote:
> Date of article aside......

Yes. I noticed that. But there was some actual news on that date.
Quote:

> Yeah, and the rest. We all know the FIA and Bernard think Ferrari are oh
> so essential, blah, blah. If Ferrari get the hand holding, then I think
> fair enough to McLaren on a historic level, but RBR? Why do they get any
> thing extra or a say? Had they been around 25years, fair enough, but
> tomorrow they could announce a pull out.

Yes. They've carved themselves out a position of power and influence.
Well, well done them, but what's the basis? You can see why Bernie
might be a little concerned about F1 without Ferrari, but F1 without
RBR???? It's not like they have a racing heritage. In a way they're
like the manufacturer teams - there for marketing. Ferrari, McLaren,
Williams.... those are the teams who exist to race.

Quote:
> Aren't William in this little
> group too? Thought they got a historical bung too?

So did I. But they didn't win in the crucial period. And maybe Parr
got up Bernie's nose.

Quote:
> Then why not Lotus,
> who are essentially Benetton. Other teams have deep F1 DNA too.

Change of ownership or name. Bernie is looking for BRANDS. Which,
again, makes the RBR thing weird. Though I suppose it's hard to avoid
given the way they've been winning.

Remember that what's being talked about here is NOT Concorde, but one-
on-one deals: Your team's deal with FOM. So how good a deal can you
cut?

Quote:
> However, we also know F1 is apparently the only marketing Ferrari do, or
> was said to be anyway. Well, if F1 is anything to go by Ferrari are
> complete shit at building cars. That has to be the marketing message to
> its customers. They get all these extras to help them out, but still
> they can't build a better racing car than an Austrian drinks company.

They're a LEGEND. And they play that card for all it's worth and even
Bernie is not immune. You buy into the LEGEND. Like you do when you
buy a Fender guitar. Hendrix, Clapton blah blah.

Quote:
> Ferrari are a complete joke. I wonder how long it will be until we get
> either a scandal of a season, or half of RBR up sticks to Italy to show
> the morons how its done. Even if Ferrari do win again, it will always be
> hollow and tainted as we all know how bent F1 and its finances and power
> are. How this isnt damaging to the brand is beyond me. Although reading
> and listening to Ferrari fans is like listening to deluded psychiatric
> patients most of the time, so I suppose any old win would be fine for
> such minds.

> Either Ferrari customers were blinkered idiots, or don't give a toss
> about the F1 team's performance. In which case, why do Ferrari bother?

> Just imagine if Liverpool FC got special payments and power from the
> Premier League or the FA, worse still, both. Why not, big brand,
> historical, etc. But such a scandal would be massive. Not so in the
> fantasy world of F1.

Yes.

Quote:

> What we really need it transparency and fairness. This bullshit of the
> Concorde agreement should stop. All these secret deals should stop. On
> top of that, the whole thing should be transparent and public.

I think the sporting side is. Concorde is the business side and
generally those things are confidential or at least not trumpeted. The
trouble is the boundaries are blurred. Why should a deal between FOM
and Ferrari include a veto on rule changes? The two aspects -
commercial and sporting - should be kept apart from each other. But
Bernie has a seat on the WMSC and he can broker concessions by FIA to
Ferrari.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

> I can take all the on track bullshit, iffy stewards decisions and
> Bernard screwing very one in sight, but this secret society inequality
> is one thing that very much puts me off F1. No team should ever be
> favoured by the governing bodies in any sport, ever.

> In the end, as a F1 fan, I have to put all this aside, other wise I
> would not bother with F1 at all. But always in the back of my mind is
> that the whole sport is pretty much bent.

> Article date aside, that is...

 
 
 

Ferrari's extra cash and power

Post by Bobste » Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:19:42


<snip>

Quote:
> Regarding Pitpass, any one know what the deal with Christian Sylt is?
> They mention that name with the same enthusiasm a NASCAR commentator
> mentions the sponsor(s). TBH, I'm beginning to find it a bit creepy.

I think there's some deal with Bernie, and that that deal has a clause
which binds the parties to not talk about the deal.

A bit like Fight Club.