Repost: outqualifying your team-mate

Repost: outqualifying your team-mate

Post by R Butle » Sun, 02 Feb 1997 04:00:00


Drivers                 Average gap    Maximum gaps     Outqualified
                        (secs.)
1984                    
Prost vs. Lauda         -1.266          -3.468 / +0.557         1
1985                    
Rosberg vs. Mansell     -0.253          -1.690 / +1.350         7
1986                    
Mansell vs. Piquet      -0.095          -2.240 / +0.590         8
Prost vs. Rosberg       -0.419          -2.074 / +0.857         4
1987                    
Mansell vs. Piquet      -0.618          -1.678 / +0.620         4
1988                    
Senna vs. Prost         -0.434          -1.427 / +0.478         2
1989                    
Senna vs. Prost         -0.860          -1.790 / +0.076         2
Mansell vs. Berger      -0.130          -0.925 / +0.681         7
1990                    
Senna vs. Berger        -0.396          -1.368 / +0.767         4
Prost vs. Mansell       -0.163          -1.453 / +1.294         8
1991                    
Prost vs. Alesi         -0.555          -1.750 / +0.138         2
1992                    
Mansell vs. Patrese     -0.910          -3.012 / +0.167         2
Senna vs. Berger        -0.730          -1.921 / +0.202         1
Schumacher vs.Brundle   -1.019          -1.752                  0
1993                    
Prost vs. Hill          -0.511          -1.896 / +0.189         2
Senna vs. Andretti      -1.401          -3.002                  0
Schumacher vs.Patrese   -1.147          -1.979                  0
Alesi vs. Berger        -0.248          -2.255 / +1.913         7
Senna vs. Hakkinen      -0.243          -0.735 / +0.048         1
1994                    
Senna vs. Hill          -0.922          -1.592                  0
1995                    
Schumacher vs.Herbert   -1.350          -2.796 / +2.994         1
Hill vs. Coulthard      +0.034          -1.157 / +1.237         8
1996                    
Hill vs. Villeneuve     -0.345          -1.143 / +0.461         3
Hakkinen vs. Coulthard  -0.252          -1.297 / +1.391         4
Frentzen vs. Herbert    -0.503          -1.381 / +0.168         3
Schumacher vs. Irvine   -0.893          -1.488 / +0.236         1
Alesi vs. Berger        -0.066          -0.397 / +1.198         3

 
 
 

Repost: outqualifying your team-mate

Post by Ilari Aarre Leht » Fri, 07 Feb 1997 04:00:00

I have made an interesting-looking graph based on the teammate
qualifying comparison that R. Butler posted a while back. Here are
the brief results, but check the whole thing out at:
http://www.hut.fi/~ibu/f1/drivercomp.html

Time differences to pole:

0.00 s  Senna
0.45 s  Prost
0.46 s  H?kkinen
0.59 s  M. Schumacher
0.69 s  Rosberg
0.80 s  Alesi
0.81 s  Coulthard
0.83 s  Mansell
0.85 s  Hill
0.90 s  Berger
1.19 s  Piquet
1.20 s  J. Villeneuve
1.40 s  Andretti
1.44 s  Frenzen
1.48 s  Irvine
1.61 s  Brundle
1.72 s  Lauda
1.74 s  Patrese
1.94 s  Herbert

And before making followups like: "Herbert rules!" or "H?kkinen is
CERTAINLY seconds slower than Schumi!", please check out the graph
itself, there is a lot of my comments about it. These figures did not
just fall out of my sleeve, but neither are they the ultimate truth.

http://www.hut.fi/~ibu/f1/drivercomp.html

--
 See those people there? They look after me      * Ilari Lehti

 Man in a uniform...bride on his arm             * http://www.iki.fi/ibu/
 Mum always was a fool for money and charm  - Marillion

 
 
 

Repost: outqualifying your team-mate

Post by Julian Lov » Fri, 07 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I have made an interesting-looking graph based on the teammate
> qualifying comparison that R. Butler posted a while back. Here are
> the brief results, but check the whole thing out at:
> http://www.hut.fi/~ibu/f1/drivercomp.html

Interesting to see - you could strengthen the data further by comparing
Hill and Mansell in late 1994 (will drop Mansell/raise Hill), Prost and
Mansell in ?1990, and we'll soon be able to compare Villeneuve and
Frentzen.

I'd be interested to see the differences these make to your graph.

Julian

 
 
 

Repost: outqualifying your team-mate

Post by R Butle » Sun, 09 Feb 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
>I have made an interesting-looking graph based on the teammate
>qualifying comparison that R. Butler posted a while back. Here are
>the brief results, but check the whole thing out at:
>http://www.hut.fi/~ibu/f1/drivercomp.html

Interesting graph indeed.

But how about Prost-Mansell? Your graph shows a gap of 0.4 secs. Is that
very representative? Mansell was every bit as fast as Prost in
qualifying, as the data from 1990 reveals (Prost had n1 status at
ferrari, remember).

Here's more data:

Drivers                 Average gap (secs.)     Maximum gaps    Outqualified
1985                    
Senna vs. De Angelis    -1.113                  -3.234 / +1.324         3
1987                    
Senna vs. Nakajima      -3.815                  -8.194                  0
1988                    
Piquet vs. Nakajima     -1.006                  -1.523 / +0.205         1
1992                    
Hakkinen vs. Herbert    +0.123                  -0.584 / +1.046         8
1994                    
Mansell vs. Hill        -0.001                  -0.651 / +0.500         3
Hakkinen vs. Brundle    -0.754                  -1.734                  0

1994 figures fit your graph quite well, but how about 1992, with
Hakkinen and Herbert at Lotus? Rather problematic, wouldn't you say?
Hakkinen 1.473 secs slower than Schumi? This clearly shows it's
completely unfair to judge Schumi's team-mates (Herbert).

Senna's '85 performance (his first full f1 season), which can be
compared to Schumi '92 data, only confirms his incredible speed.

I inserted the Nakajima farce to try and compare Piquet and Senna; 3
secs. difference between them doesn't really help your graph
unfortunately. I think it can be partly explained by the fact that '87
was Naka's rookie year, and maybe Piquet lacked motivation in '88 with
the Mclaren-Hondas dominating the field (even though he was the reigning
world champ).

 
 
 

Repost: outqualifying your team-mate

Post by Tuomo O. Vuolteenah » Sun, 09 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Hakkinen vs. Herbert       +0.123                  -0.584 / +1.046         8

> 1994 figures fit your graph quite well, but how about 1992, with
> Hakkinen and Herbert at Lotus? Rather problematic, wouldn't you say?
> Hakkinen 1.473 secs slower than Schumi? This clearly shows it's
> completely unfair to judge Schumi's team-mates (Herbert).

The story goes that Herbert was the unchallenged #1 at Lotus. Hakkinen was
using the leftover parts of Herbert's car, only Herbert had a decent
qualifying engine, etc. (This difference in equipment wes less important
in races, and the points tell another story.) Peter Collins was at least
as experienced f1-mafioso as our favorite Flavio. No fairness here,
either.

Now, I'm not accusing Johnny Herbert of anything here, but people
like Peter Collins and Flavio Briatore. It seems that Frank Williams is
the only honest team head in this business. Ok, ok, he's decisions aren't
always popular, but at least you know that both of the drivers have
approximately equal equipment.

Peter Collins even torpedoed Hakkinen's Williams contract for 1993, with
some unwarranted claims about a contract. So instead of Damon Hill's four
attempts, it would've been Hakkinen in the car in which "even a monkey can
win." Almost all of the time, I mean...

Manager Keke Rosberg later commented that subjecting Hakkinen to Peter
Collins was the biggest mistake of his entire career.

Tuomo