He is still with us. Thank God for that.
> >This is so sad for someone who has some talent. He has more experience than
> >anyone else on the grid. You can't get any worse than crashing heavily on the
> >final laps of the final GP of your longtime F1 career. Hope he will have
> >better luck in other racing series.
> I understand what you are saying. But, unfortunately there have been many
> more F1 drivers that were considerably more luckless than Johnny.
Much is made of Herbert's luck but given the amount of mechanical failures
he's had over the years (allowing for times spent in fairly average cars),
just how hard is he on the machinery?
I'm struggling even to remember a team-mate over the years Johnny has shown
a clean pair of heels to. I dunno, I don't rate him so I'm not too upset to
see him move on to greener pastures.
> Johnny was a good guy. He had one of the worst crashes in racing
> history in F3000 and entered F1 essentially crippled. He won a few
> races which is more than many other drivers can say. I think Chris
> Amon had even tougher breaks. Johnny is probably the last guy to ever
> complain and almost always had a sunny disposition. I wish him a lot
> of luck in the future.
>Much is made of Herbert's luck but given the amount of mechanical failures
>he's had over the years (allowing for times spent in fairly average cars),
>just how hard is he on the machinery?
>Chris Amon is probably the best example of a grand prix with bad
You don't seem to know much about him. Mind telling us all when you
watched him drive at the start of his career.
> Someone else who knows sweet ***-all about Johnny's career, it seems.
Hey, Riccardo Patrese won more races than your man didn't he?
When you actually get a clue as to what you're talking about, drop me
a line. I have no beef with JH but but some of his overly loyal "fans",
with the exception of DC, seem to suffer from a bit of tunnel vision...
> Can't disagree there.
I don't really see how that's relevant to an assessment of his F1 career,
which is the topic of this thread - as opposed to "Johnny Herbert, a
career retrospective" unless he drove in F1 from the start of his career.
It's all very well to judge a driver's potential on their form in the
junior formulae (Jan Magnussen anyone?) but often when they get to F1
it's a different story. My original point which seems to have got right
up your nose, was that _IMO_ Herbert lacked pace compared to the
frontrunners during his time in F1. That's comparing him to the likes of
Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Mansell, Hakkinen, et al. If you want to
suggest his career belongs in that sort of company by all means, if that's
your viewpoint. I see him more as a "journeyman" type, but that's me.
> Following me around r.a.s.f1? I was following F1 prior to JH appearing
> on the scene and will long into the future. In the that time I don't
> recall seeing anything that suggested a DWC might be a possibility.
> Hey, Riccardo Patrese won more races than your man didn't he?
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"Johnny's F3 team boss Eddie Jordan was also present at the [F1
Benetton] test and was very enthusiastic about his protege's progress:
'It was like looking at something you could not believe. The thing
that impressed me was the reaction of some of the F1 luminaries when
they saw the times he was doing. Patrick Head, Gerard Ducarouge and
even Ayrton Senna, they all came to the pit...."
And that doesn't include Mansell's comments.
After his F3000 crash he was told he'd never drive again. So to
complete 170 GPs with 3 victories isn't at all bad, IMVHO.