The "F" in "F1" stands for "farce"

The "F" in "F1" stands for "farce"

Post by Bob D » Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:49:04


This was ridiculous.  This was not a real race, it was
the F******* Idiots and Airheads not admitting they made
a mistake about tires.

I find it disgusting that these results will be part of
the season standing.  Except for Fisichella's and Alonso's
results, my gut feeling says nullify the results and
shorten the season to 16 races.  

Yes, I know that would benefit Ferrari.  So be it.

Additionally, you know it's a sorry sign when CART and
the IRL can do things better than F1: I'd like a damn
good explanation why it took them *three minutes* to get
medical attention to Alonso.  (If MotoGP were this bad,
Daijiro Kato would be dead.)  CART and the IRL have a
policy of having a support vehicle (with a doctor on
board) on the scene of an accident within 30 seconds and
they always get it done.  Why can't F1?

Bob Dog

 
 
 

The "F" in "F1" stands for "farce"

Post by Wallabe » Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:59:02


Quote:
> This was ridiculous.  This was not a real race, it was
> the F******* Idiots and Airheads not admitting they made
> a mistake about tires.

> I find it disgusting that these results will be part of
> the season standing.  Except for Fisichella's and Alonso's
> results, my gut feeling says nullify the results and
> shorten the season to 16 races.

> Yes, I know that would benefit Ferrari.  So be it.

> Additionally, you know it's a sorry sign when CART and
> the IRL can do things better than F1: I'd like a damn
> good explanation why it took them *three minutes* to get
> medical attention to Alonso.  (If MotoGP were this bad,
> Daijiro Kato would be dead.)  CART and the IRL have a
> policy of having a support vehicle (with a doctor on
> board) on the scene of an accident within 30 seconds and
> they always get it done.  Why can't F1?

> Bob Dog

Want some cheese with that whine, you ***ing infant?

Tim

 
 
 

The "F" in "F1" stands for "farce"

Post by TC » Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:25:30


Quote:



> > This was ridiculous.  This was not a real race, it was
> > the F******* Idiots and Airheads not admitting they made
> > a mistake about tires.

> > I find it disgusting that these results will be part of
> > the season standing.  Except for Fisichella's and Alonso's
> > results, my gut feeling says nullify the results and
> > shorten the season to 16 races.

> > Yes, I know that would benefit Ferrari.  So be it.

> > Additionally, you know it's a sorry sign when CART and
> > the IRL can do things better than F1: I'd like a damn
> > good explanation why it took them *three minutes* to get
> > medical attention to Alonso.  (If MotoGP were this bad,
> > Daijiro Kato would be dead.)  CART and the IRL have a
> > policy of having a support vehicle (with a doctor on
> > board) on the scene of an accident within 30 seconds and
> > they always get it done.  Why can't F1?

> > Bob Dog

> Want some cheese with that whine, you ***ing infant?

> Tim

He's got a point.  I don't think that F1 tours with their own safety team,
but relies on local paramedics and trains them on the fly wherever they
happen to be.   As Bob pointed out (if it's so) it's a really backward idea.
I'm confident that CART doesn't take their safety team with them to Montegi
or Europe, but since F1 travels away from Europe and the UK far more often,
it's probably not a bad idea.

Christ, if BE thought that he could afford 2 Boeing passenger jets full of
crew and equipment for his (now demised) digital coverage, why not that?

TC

 
 
 

The "F" in "F1" stands for "farce"

Post by Depresio » Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:05:01

Quote:

> Additionally, you know it's a sorry sign when CART and
> the IRL can do things better than F1: I'd like a damn
> good explanation why it took them *three minutes* to get
> medical attention to Alonso.  (If MotoGP were this bad,
> Daijiro Kato would be dead.)  CART and the IRL have a
> policy of having a support vehicle (with a doctor on
> board) on the scene of an accident within 30 seconds and
> they always get it done.  Why can't F1?

Well considering it happened within 30 seconds walking distance
from the pits it's a shambles. You would think they would have
been on route that way for the previous crash as well.
 
 
 

The "F" in "F1" stands for "farce"

Post by Knight7 » Tue, 08 Apr 2003 14:58:40

Welcome to the ignore list fool.


Quote:



> > This was ridiculous.  This was not a real race, it was
> > the F******* Idiots and Airheads not admitting they made
> > a mistake about tires.

> > I find it disgusting that these results will be part of
> > the season standing.  Except for Fisichella's and Alonso's
> > results, my gut feeling says nullify the results and
> > shorten the season to 16 races.

> > Yes, I know that would benefit Ferrari.  So be it.

> > Additionally, you know it's a sorry sign when CART and
> > the IRL can do things better than F1: I'd like a damn
> > good explanation why it took them *three minutes* to get
> > medical attention to Alonso.  (If MotoGP were this bad,
> > Daijiro Kato would be dead.)  CART and the IRL have a
> > policy of having a support vehicle (with a doctor on
> > board) on the scene of an accident within 30 seconds and
> > they always get it done.  Why can't F1?

> > Bob Dog

> Want some cheese with that whine, you ***ing infant?

> Tim

 
 
 

The "F" in "F1" stands for "farce"

Post by Knight7 » Tue, 08 Apr 2003 14:59:39

It is pretty poor. If he had of died right there imagine the changes that
would be made by f1. but he didnt, so nothing will be done, a sham.


Quote:




Quote:
> > Additionally, you know it's a sorry sign when CART and
> > the IRL can do things better than F1: I'd like a damn
> > good explanation why it took them *three minutes* to get
> > medical attention to Alonso.  (If MotoGP were this bad,
> > Daijiro Kato would be dead.)  CART and the IRL have a
> > policy of having a support vehicle (with a doctor on
> > board) on the scene of an accident within 30 seconds and
> > they always get it done.  Why can't F1?

> Well considering it happened within 30 seconds walking distance
> from the pits it's a shambles. You would think they would have
> been on route that way for the previous crash as well.

 
 
 

The "F" in "F1" stands for "farce"

Post by Shitscare » Tue, 08 Apr 2003 15:33:45


Quote:
> (If MotoGP were this bad,
> Daijiro Kato would be dead.)

They just move unconcious patents wih high possibilty of spinal damage
without making any attempt to support his back or neck.  Those marshals
should be ban from setting foot on another race track.
 
 
 

The "F" in "F1" stands for "farce"

Post by Bob D » Wed, 09 Apr 2003 00:41:07

Quote:



> > (If MotoGP were this bad,
> > Daijiro Kato would be dead.)

> They just move unconcious patents wih high possibilty of spinal damage
> without making any attempt to support his back or neck.  Those marshals
> should be ban from setting foot on another race track.

I saw most of the race live (I'm in the same time zone)
but missed the crash, and when I heard how bad it was,
chose not to watch a replay of the race.  

If someone is in immediate danger of being injured or
killed, moving them without support make sense.  Anyone
who has taken a basic first aid course knows how to move
someone with potential neck injury in an emergency: you
grab the patient by the armpits and support the neck
with the elbows.  That would be even easier with Kato
wearing a helmet.

But if Kato wasn't in danger, then I'd have to disagree
with what you said: they should be forced to lie down
and have a 250CC run over them and charge the survivors
with negligence.

Bob Dog

 
 
 

The "F" in "F1" stands for "farce"

Post by Bob D » Wed, 09 Apr 2003 00:51:58

Quote:

> He's got a point.  I don't think that F1 tours with their own safety team,
> but relies on local paramedics and trains them on the fly wherever they
> happen to be.   As Bob pointed out (if it's so) it's a really backward idea.

So the FIA doesn't employ full time doctors specializing in
crash injuries?  Who says F1 and NASCAR are that different? 9_9

Four qualified doctors on staff and travelling with the teams
would cost, what, US$500,000 per year?  Hardly a drop in the
F1 bucket.  Even if they use volunteers and local ambulance
crews, a few professionals leading and training them (locals
or people travelling with the F1 circus) couldn't be overly
expensive to keep on retainer.

Quote:
> I'm confident that CART doesn't take their safety team with them to Montegi
> or Europe, but since F1 travels away from Europe and the UK far more often,
> it's probably not a bad idea.

> Christ, if BE thought that he could afford 2 Boeing passenger jets full of
> crew and equipment for his (now demised) digital coverage, why not that?

I don't know either.  How hard or expensive would it be for
CART or F1 to hire a few pickup trucks overseas and take
along the necessary safety equipment to fit them?  I would
have expected F1 to be ahead of all other series on this.

Bob Dog

 
 
 

The "F" in "F1" stands for "farce"

Post by Kim Andre » Wed, 09 Apr 2003 01:24:03


Quote:

>I don't know either.  How hard or expensive would it be for
>CART or F1 to hire a few pickup trucks overseas and take
>along the necessary safety equipment to fit them?  I would
>have expected F1 to be ahead of all other series on this.

The medical staff, cars and centre all have to be FIA approved, so I'm
not sure what advantage there would be in lugging kit about?  Sid
Watkins oversees standards, and I certainly don't see him approving
"training on the fly" as the previous poster put it.  I've always got
the impression that F1 medical standards are *extremely* high these
days.  Some years ago the Silverstone chief medico showed me the plans
for the centre that was then being built... I would have been *very*
happy to have such a facility on hand were I to bend myself!  V.
impressive bit of kit.
--
([:])  by Kimbo!
formula one cartoon archive
Toons on hold -- see the archive at www.foca.co.uk
 
 
 

The "F" in "F1" stands for "farce"

Post by Ignasi Palou-River » Wed, 09 Apr 2003 01:37:35

Quote:


> >I don't know either.  How hard or expensive would it be for
> >CART or F1 to hire a few pickup trucks overseas and take
> >along the necessary safety equipment to fit them?  I would
> >have expected F1 to be ahead of all other series on this.

> The medical staff, cars and centre all have to be FIA approved, so I'm
> not sure what advantage there would be in lugging kit about?  Sid
> Watkins oversees standards, and I certainly don't see him approving
> "training on the fly" as the previous poster put it.  I've always got
> the impression that F1 medical standards are *extremely* high these
> days.  Some years ago the Silverstone chief medico showed me the plans
> for the centre that was then being built... I would have been *very*
> happy to have such a facility on hand were I to bend myself!  V.
> impressive bit of kit.

I would heartily recommend Prof. Sid Watkins autobiographical book
"Life at the Limit" to anybody interested in this topic.

I very much doubt that having travelling doctors with the F1 circus is
a feasible proposition. Many countries (most I'd say) are very picky
about licensing of medical doctors and perfectly qualified physiciand
could not be legally able to attend to injured drivers. The liability
cost would be enormous.

--
Ignasi.

 
 
 

The "F" in "F1" stands for "farce"

Post by Shitscare » Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:02:00


Quote:
> If someone is in immediate danger of being injured or
> killed, moving them without support make sense.  Anyone

It was early in the race with the bikes still relatively bunched up on a
long circuit.  They had plenty of time to put out red flags.

Quote:
> who has taken a basic first aid course knows how to move
> someone with potential neck injury in an emergency: you
> grab the patient by the armpits and support the neck
> with the elbows.  That would be even easier with Kato
> wearing a helmet.

That's just it, they didn't.  They basically grabbed and arm or leg each and
picked him up like a bag of potatos, letting his heavy helmeted head drop
back.  So much so I'm sure his head was the first part of his boidy to make
contact with the stretcher.

--
Ricky Polinski
-------------------------------
I'm not just scared,
I'm Shitscared

 
 
 

The "F" in "F1" stands for "farce"

Post by Bob D » Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:34:53

Quote:



> > If someone is in immediate danger of being injured or
> > killed, moving them without support make sense.  Anyone

> It was early in the race with the bikes still relatively bunched up on a
> long circuit.  They had plenty of time to put out red flags.

And unlike what happened to Alonso in Brazil (because of
the high-speed hill and the curve), the racers at Suzuka
have a long straight before the Casio Triangle, so they
would have had time to see the accident and react before
reaching that corner.

Quote:
> > who has taken a basic first aid course knows how to move
> > someone with potential neck injury in an emergency: you
> > grab the patient by the armpits and support the neck
> > with the elbows.  That would be even easier with Kato
> > wearing a helmet.

> That's just it, they didn't.  They basically grabbed and arm or leg each and
> picked him up like a bag of potatos, letting his heavy helmeted head drop
> back.  So much so I'm sure his head was the first part of his boidy to make
> contact with the stretcher.

In that case, I'll amend what I said: the "track workers"
should have their limbs cut off with chainsaws while they
are awake.  That behaviour is as callous as the drivers
in the recent Daegu subway fire.  (Those idiots locked
the doors and ran away, leaving the passengers to die.)

As I said previously, I didn't watch the accident even
though I've had a chance, and after reading what you've
said, I *definitely* don't want to.

Bob Dog

 
 
 

The "F" in "F1" stands for "farce"

Post by Cstor » Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:37:44

Quote:



>> CART and the IRL have a
>> policy of having a support vehicle (with a doctor on
>> board) on the scene of an accident within 30 seconds and
>> they always get it done.  Why can't F1?

>Why does F1 have a crane parked in a runoff during green flag racing?

Because it wasn't parked.

It was retrieving Montoya's and Pizzonia's car, and
would have returned back behind
the tire barrier once both cars had been picked up.

There were local yellows at the corner, to warn
the others of the equipment .. once Schumacher crashed,
then the safety car went out.

Chris Story