Ferrari 360 Modena Best Car in the World.

Ferrari 360 Modena Best Car in the World.

Post by Mrv » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00


                                    Hakkinen patronises opposition

                      Ferrari president Luca did Montezemolo has praised
Mika
                      Hakkinens taste in cars.
                     The Finn, a twice World Champion, recently took
delivery of the
                     impressive new 360 Modena road car, the successor
to the F355.

                    Ive always known he was a good driver, said
Montezemolo. Now I
                     know he has good taste as well.

                       Enthusiasts and motoring journals worldwide have
named the 360
                      best car in the world.

http://www.dailyf1.com/en/news/2000/february/22a.shtml

No mention of Mclaren Roadcar being better than Ferrari worldwide.   I
wonder why Mika would buy a Ferrari instead of the Mclaren roadcar.
Only in this Newsgroup is the Mclaren rated #1.

 
 
 

Ferrari 360 Modena Best Car in the World.

Post by Mr. Blue » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I thought the worlds motoring journos were unanimous in their naming of the
BMW M5 as the best car in the world.

 
 
 

Ferrari 360 Modena Best Car in the World.

Post by Mike Whoole » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> I thought the worlds motoring journos were unanimous in their naming of the
> BMW M5 as the best car in the world.

I doubt if all the world's motoring journalists are unanimous about which
way is up, let alone what the best car in the world is.

Mike.

 
 
 

Ferrari 360 Modena Best Car in the World.

Post by mulla » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>No mention of Mclaren Roadcar being better than Ferrari worldwide.   I
>wonder why Mika would buy a Ferrari instead of the Mclaren roadcar.
>Only in this Newsgroup is the Mclaren rated #1.

The McLaren may be faster, but it doesn't even have an air
conditioner.  Maybe that's not a concern in Finland, buy it also lacks
a stereo and real passenger seats (in America those little pods that
flank the driver's seat are removed and they don't look very
comfortable anyway).  Anyway, the point is that the McLaren is pretty
much just a road legal race car, whereas the Ferrari is considerably
more civilized, and plenty fast for street driving.  And I bet the
McLaren spends a lot more time in the shop.  Speaking of Ferrari
competitors getting road cars from the enemy, didn't EJ get one of the
first 360s in Europe?

Joe McCallum

 
 
 

Ferrari 360 Modena Best Car in the World.

Post by David Bett » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00

"mullacc" wrote

Quote:

> The McLaren may be faster, but it doesn't even have an air
> conditioner.

Why would anybody want the weight of a power-sapping air-conditioning
system in something which is supposed to be a sports car?

Quote:
>  Maybe that's not a concern in Finland, buy it also lacks
> a stereo

Why would anybody want a stereo when they have that wonderful V12 to
listen to?

Quote:
> and real passenger seats (in America those little pods that
> flank the driver's seat are removed and they don't look very
> comfortable anyway).

I can assure you that they are perfectly adequate and the car
functions well as a three-seater. If stupid US regulations prevent
their use, then that is the Americans' loss.

Quote:
> Anyway, the point is that the McLaren is pretty
> much just a road legal race car

Simply not true, I'm afraid. The F1 was designed from scratch as a
road car. It was only re-engineered for racing - initially somewhat
reluctantly - because McLaren was persuaded to do so by wealthy
individuals who wished to race the car.

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Ferrari 360 Modena Best Car in the World.

Post by Hans » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00



Quote:

> >No mention of Mclaren Roadcar being better than Ferrari worldwide.   I
> >wonder why Mika would buy a Ferrari instead of the Mclaren roadcar.
> >Only in this Newsgroup is the Mclaren rated #1.

Maybe he has a Big Mac already but don't want to waste the diamond of
automotive engineering on everyday driving.

Quote:
> The McLaren may be faster, but it doesn't even have an air
> conditioner.

So what?

Maybe that's not a concern in Finland, buy it also lacks

Quote:
> a stereo and real passenger seats (in America those little pods that
> flank the driver's seat are removed and they don't look very
> comfortable anyway).

Not true. Gordon Murray stressed Kenwood a lot to come up with a state of
the art stereo system weighing less than a kilo. They ended up on 1,3 kg. So
it definetly has a stereo. And room for two passengers. There surely are
more comfortable cars, even sportscar, but thats beneath the point.

 Anyway, the point is that the McLaren is pretty

Quote:
> much just a road legal race car, whereas the Ferrari is considerably
> more civilized, and plenty fast for street driving.

Ine of the McLarens biggest advantages is its size. It's smaller than a
Porsche 911 and then much more useable on the raod than say a F50 or
Testarossa, which both are too big to go fast on regular roads.

And I bet the

Quote:
> McLaren spends a lot more time in the shop.

Than a Ferrari? Yeah right.

Hans

 
 
 

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Post by MJF 20 » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>Only in this Newsgroup is the Mclaren [F1 road car] rated #1.

Christ... If that were only the half of it...

Mark
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"If Al***invented the Internet, then I invented spellcheck!"
  -  Dan Quayle, quoted at the National Press Club, 8/3/1999

 
 
 

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Post by Mark Jon » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00

On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:52:16 -0000, "David Betts"

Quote:

>"mullacc" wrote
>> The McLaren may be faster, but it doesn't even have an air
>> conditioner.

>Why would anybody want the weight of a power-sapping air-conditioning
>system in something which is supposed to be a sports car?

Well, to be fair, I remember reading about the Ferrari F40 having an
air conditioner in order to stop the huge windscreen from fogging up.
It must be too far away to reach with a cloth when your strapped into
the 5 point harness!!

Quote:
>>  Maybe that's not a concern in Finland, buy it also lacks
>> a stereo

>Why would anybody want a stereo when they have that wonderful V12 to
>listen to?

Totally agree there :-)

- Mark Jones
Cause I'm a lumberjack, yeeaaahhhhh

 
 
 

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Post by mulla » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>Why would anybody want the weight of a power-sapping air-conditioning
>system in something which is supposed to be a sports car?

Why would Mika Hakkinen want to drive around town in a sweltering hot
McLaren road car when he could drive around in a comfortable, and
similarly flashy, Ferrari?

Quote:
>Why would anybody want a stereo when they have that wonderful V12 to
>listen to?

Because he listens to it all day at his job? (Note: I know the F1
engine is a V10 and I know the sound of a V10 isnt the same as a V12
but I bet it ain't so great idling at a stop light.  Anyway, can't the
man listen to some music every once in a while?)

Quote:
>I can assure you that they are perfectly adequate and the car
>functions well as a three-seater. If stupid US regulations prevent
>their use, then that is the Americans' loss.

Well, I've never actually seen the car in person, only read the
magazine articles, so maybe I misjudged the seats.  But I still think
that it'd be awkward to have your wife sitting anywhere but right next
to you when your driving in social situations.

Quote:

>Simply not true, I'm afraid. The F1 was designed from scratch as a
>road car. It was only re-engineered for racing - initially somewhat
>reluctantly - because McLaren was persuaded to do so by wealthy
>individuals who wished to race the car.

No, it is true.  Maybe technically, the McLaren isn't to the specs of
any race series.  But the overall effect of having all that
horsepower, racing suspension, no A/C, no stereo, center drivers seat,
etc creates the image that the car is more race-oriented than
"everyday-driver" oriented.  Compared to the McLaren, the 360 might as
well be a Lincoln - alright that's quite the hyperbole but I think it
gets the point across.

Joe McCallum

 
 
 

Ferrari 360 Modena Best Car in the World.

Post by Gunther Rola » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>No, it is true.  Maybe technically, the McLaren isn't to the specs of
>any race series.  But the overall effect of having all that
>horsepower, racing suspension, no A/C, no stereo, center drivers seat,
>etc creates the image that the car is more race-oriented than
>"everyday-driver" oriented.

IIRC, the McLaren F1 had both A/C and a stereo (Kenwood was bragging
about their lightweight CD changer). Gordon Murray claimed it was
more usable than a Honda NSX.

Gunther

--

 
 
 

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Post by Rob » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>The McLaren may be faster, but it doesn't even have an air
>conditioner.  Maybe that's not a concern in Finland, buy it also lacks
>a stereo and real passenger seats (in America those little pods that
>flank the driver's seat are removed and they don't look very
>comfortable anyway).  Anyway, the point is that the McLaren is pretty
>much just a road legal race car, whereas the Ferrari is considerably
>more civilized, and plenty fast for street driving.

I find that from point to point the McLaren is a faster drive, but as
you correcty state, I find the Ferrari makes a better daily-use motor.
Both give big grin-factor but I think the McLaren feels a little dated
when you're sitting in the***pit. Bit of a masturbatory experience
really.

R

 
 
 

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Post by ¤ D A B ¤ - Usenet Do » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

> >No mention of Mclaren Roadcar being better than Ferrari worldwide.   I
> >wonder why Mika would buy a Ferrari instead of the Mclaren roadcar.
> >Only in this Newsgroup is the Mclaren rated #1.

> The McLaren may be faster, but it doesn't even have an air
> conditioner.  Maybe that's not a concern in Finland, buy it also lacks
> a stereo and real passenger seats (in America those little pods that
> flank the driver's seat are removed and they don't look very
> comfortable anyway).  Anyway, the point is that the McLaren is pretty
> much just a road legal race car, whereas the Ferrari is considerably
> more civilized, and plenty fast for street driving.  And I bet the
> McLaren spends a lot more time in the shop.  Speaking of Ferrari
> competitors getting road cars from the enemy, didn't EJ get one of the
> first 360s in Europe?

You are completely incorrect-  the McLaren F1 does indeed have a stereo.
 
 
 

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Post by ¤ D A B ¤ - Usenet Do » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
> No, it is true.  Maybe technically, the McLaren isn't to the specs of
> any race series.  But the overall effect of having all that
> horsepower, racing suspension, no A/C, no stereo, center drivers seat,
> etc creates the image that the car is more race-oriented than
> "everyday-driver" oriented.  Compared to the McLaren, the 360 might as
> well be a Lincoln - alright that's quite the hyperbole but I think it
> gets the point across.

Having looked-  it also has air-conditioning, one seat more, and 60% more
luggage room than a 360.  your point was??
 
 
 

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Post by Matt Manspeake » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00

BEST is a personal choice

So how is some puts who writes articles in magazines for a living and
tries not to bite the hands that feed him going to tell me what is best
for ME??

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Post by MJF 20 » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
>BEST is a personal choice

>So how is some puts who writes articles in magazines for a living and
>tries not to bite the hands that feed him going to tell me what is best
>for ME??

That's "putz"...  I think it means "pommie".

Mark
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