Yamaha, cheap Japanese crap.

Yamaha, cheap Japanese crap.

Post by Grant J. Flemi » Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:00:00


Re: Re: Yamaha, cheap Japanese crap.

Quote:
> >o<I agree...I miss Lotus in F1. For so many years they were a top team and I
> >o<believe second only to Ferrari in all-time wins. Truly a shame such a lege
> >o<has vanished from the grid.
> hmmm  isn't ferrari second to mclaren in all-time wins? or have
> ferrari regained that spot with their recent win. seems to me that
> they were running neck and neck when they both stopped winning races.
> cal
> //\\00//\\

well, my ambition and enthusiam for good old Lotus clearly clouded my
memory....

my most recent reference here is a few years old but lists the top teams
as:

Ferrari    105 wins
McLaren    104 wins
Williams    83 wins
Lotus       79 wins
Brabham     35 wins
Benetton    26 wins
Tyrell      23 wins
BRM         17 wins
Cooper      16 wins

Sorry for the original comment and its inaccuracy...I'll try not to be such a
twit in future. :)

Grant

 
 
 

Yamaha, cheap Japanese crap.

Post by Rui Pedro Mendes Salguei » Thu, 19 Jun 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
> my most recent reference here is a few years old but lists the top teams
> as:
> Ferrari    105 wins
> McLaren    104 wins
> Williams    83 wins
> Lotus       79 wins

It seems that I have not been able to spread this URL:
        http://www.siii.pt/f1/w3f1/in/f1.htm
This is a site that has all the results since 1950 and other statistics.
You don't have to guess or rely on your memory or outdated reference
books (providing the network is working, of course !).

About the subject of team wins, the relevante page is:
        http://www.siii.pt/f1/w3f1/in/ca/es/vit.htm
which lists:

1 - Ferrari    109 wins
2 - McLaren    105 wins
3 - Williams    99 wins
4 - Lotus       79 wins

This doesn't yet include last race, so Ferrari has now really 110 vitories.
As you see, Williams was expecting to reach 100 victories in Canada and
they failed.

BTW, Renault wants to get to 100 victories before the end of the season
when they officially retire from F1. They have now 90:
        http://www.siii.pt/f1/w3f1/in/mo/es/vit.htm
which makes them less successful than Ferrari, but more than Honda:

1 - Ford      174 wins
2 - Ferrari   110 wins
3 - Renault    90 wins
4 - Honda      71 wins

Until the end of the season there will be only 11 races (that includes
Estoril November, 2nd, which is not certain), so they can lose only one
race.  Considering the previous results (3 races lost so far), it is
going to be quite hard.

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