OT: How come the Germans cannot build a Ferrari 360-like road car?

OT: How come the Germans cannot build a Ferrari 360-like road car?

Post by Arthur Luxury-Yac » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 12:08:29


I was at a stop light today and saw a red Ferrari 360 on a flatbed tow
truck.  You could really see the car very well on this essentially
elevated platform.  The air ducts over the back wheels for the engine
and everything else - just beautiful.  I am not a huge race team fan
but the current crop of road cars are just incredible. The yellow
360's are nice and black OK but the red is just breathtaking.

Anyway, why have the Germans been unable to make a F360?  Do the
Italians have the aluminum body/chassis technology just locked up?
BMW had or have that crappy 850 and it looks like a Chevy Camaro.  BMW
tried back in about 1979 with the M1 but it was not *** enough.  The
car was way too sterile.  BMW has a prototype of the M1 in the museum
and it was much nicer.

The Merc GTP race/road car looked like a big Corvette.  The 911 is
nice but a mid-engine like the F360 would be awesome.  The 959 was
ugly.  BMW is raking in the money so why can't they pull it off?  The
closest they got to the F360 was the McLaren F1 which was incredibly
expensive and not as pretty.

Is it just something Ferrari can only pull off?  The Lambo Diablo,
especially the newer smaller one, is close but not as refined.

 
 
 

OT: How come the Germans cannot build a Ferrari 360-like road car?

Post by Douglas Elliso » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 17:12:48

I think it's not so much a case of the Germans not being ABLE to build one -
as not WANTING to build one.

Peugot have used the services of Pinninferina before - so I'm sure anyone
wanting to achieve the Ferrari look could buy his designing services to do
just that - but I think it's merely a case of not WANTING to build very
expensive, very low profit margin super-cars

Doug

 
 
 

OT: How come the Germans cannot build a Ferrari 360-like road car?

Post by Ian Thom » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 18:11:45

Quote:

> Anyway, why have the Germans been unable to make a F360?  

European manufacturers seem to either err on the side of caution or go
totally mental.

You can find the same thing with motorcycles, Italy have the truly
beautiful Ducati 916 (996,748 etc, etc) and the brilliant MV F4. We
Brits have the Triumph Daytona, a brilliant bike that still seems to
be appologising for its performance all the time with very staid and
plane Jane looks.

The Germans have gone the other way, BMW have built some excellent
machines that have wacky and sometimes plain ugly styling, nobody it
seems can match the Italians.

I personally believe it is a matter of passion and of the way people
view the world around them. Many Italian designers say that they are
inspired by the Female Form (What male isn't?) and the curves and
looks of their machines reflect this, perhaps other Europeans are more
interested in practicality and sales?

 
 
 

OT: How come the Germans cannot build a Ferrari 360-like road car?

Post by /*sven* » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 18:30:17

Quote:

> I personally believe it is a matter of passion and of the way people
> view the world around them. Many Italian designers say that they are
> inspired by the Female Form (What male isn't?) and the curves and
> looks of their machines reflect this,

Okay, I've got to out myself as a freak of nature then. ;-)

I think that, within the last five or ten years, the most
beautiful,the most homogeneous, the most "complete" car (and bike)
designs have come from... shock... horror... the land of the rising
sun! Nippon! Japan! Especially some prototype/concept cars.

And Italian designs are not even second on my list. Just "okay".

I guess I'm a complete wacko. Do I need help? ;-)

BTW, I don't see a whole lot of female forms when looking at a
Ferrari. Haven't met to many square women...

Sven.
--
will it ever be the same again?

(you're original!)

 
 
 

OT: How come the Germans cannot build a Ferrari 360-like road car?

Post by Tariq Ashra » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 18:36:49

Quote:


> > I personally believe it is a matter of passion and of the way people
> > view the world around them. Many Italian designers say that they are
> > inspired by the Female Form (What male isn't?) and the curves and
> > looks of their machines reflect this,

> Okay, I've got to out myself as a freak of nature then. ;-)

> I think that, within the last five or ten years, the most
> beautiful,the most homogeneous, the most "complete" car (and bike)
> designs have come from... shock... horror... the land of the rising
> sun! Nippon! Japan! Especially some prototype/concept cars.

I totally agree...

Quote:

> And Italian designs are not even second on my list. Just "okay".

Yep.

Quote:

> I guess I'm a complete wacko. Do I need help? ;-)

Maybe you and I can enter a group therapy!

Quote:

> BTW, I don't see a whole lot of female forms when looking at a
> Ferrari. Haven't met to many square women...

> Sven.
> --
> will it ever be the same again?

> (you're original!)

--

Tariq

Chapa?...

 
 
 

OT: How come the Germans cannot build a Ferrari 360-like road car?

Post by anon » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 18:57:19


Quote:
> I was at a stop light today and saw a red Ferrari 360 on a flatbed tow
> truck.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

LOL!  That says it all!  A car is meant to be driven, not pampered like some
delicate flower, driven on the weekends for 20 miles by aging hipsters.

Let people who like to waste money buy a car with $5,000-10,000 "tune-ups".

I'll take a Porsche instead.

 
 
 

OT: How come the Germans cannot build a Ferrari 360-like road car?

Post by Andreas L?ngstr » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 19:14:24

Quote:

>And Italian designs are not even second on my list. Just "okay".

Some very good designs, some very bizarre (Zagato anyone?)

Quote:
>I guess I'm a complete wacko. Do I need help? ;-)

I like French and Brittish cars. You are pretty normal in comparison. :-)

Quote:
>BTW, I don't see a whole lot of female forms when looking at a
>Ferrari. Haven't met to many square women...

"Inspired by", not "copying".

Quote:
>will it ever be the same again?

No.

/Andreas

 
 
 

OT: How come the Germans cannot build a Ferrari 360-like road car?

Post by Robert Neu » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 21:32:32

Quote:



>> I was at a stop light today and saw a red Ferrari 360 on a flatbed tow
>> truck.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>LOL!  That says it all!  A car is meant to be driven, not pampered like
some
>delicate flower, driven on the weekends for 20 miles by aging hipsters.

>Let people who like to waste money buy a car with $5,000-10,000 "tune-ups".

>I'll take a Porsche instead.

I'll agree with that. Germans have very sound and reliable machines, though
perhaps dull. Italians, IMHO, tend to build beautiful looking, temperamental
machines. I speak of street machines, not F1. Give me a techno-krautmobile
every time.

BTW...having owned a number of British cars...MGBs, Triumph Spitfires and a
Sunbeam, I would hesitate to own another. They were all very much fun to
drive during the two days a month I could get them to start and run.

Robert

 
 
 

OT: How come the Germans cannot build a Ferrari 360-like road car?

Post by Paul » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 21:28:43



Quote:


>> Anyway, why have the Germans been unable to make a F360?  

>European manufacturers seem to either err on the side of caution or go
>totally mental.

>You can find the same thing with motorcycles, Italy have the truly
>beautiful Ducati 916 (996,748 etc, etc) and the brilliant MV F4.

I have to agree on the looks of these machines... they are truly
beautiful. Nothing out of Japan comes anywhere near them (Tariq, if you
think differently give some examples). Ducatis are like some Ferraris,
beautiful to look at but difficult, fragile and expensive to live with.
Happily the new ownership of Ducati seem to be moving quickly to correct
the fragility and build-quality, and as far as I know MV are extremely
well-built. If only they would fit the taller rider.

Quote:
>We
>Brits have the Triumph Daytona, a brilliant bike that still seems to
>be appologising for its performance all the time with very staid and
>plane Jane looks.

Are you talking 955i 2001 here? In my view it is extremely good-looking,
not sensual like the Ducatis but fast and purposeful. I don't buy this
view that Triumphs have bland styling, sure some of them have (the ST
for one). One of the best-looking Triumphs I've ever seen was the
carbon-fibre special put together by Jack Lilley, totally gorgeous and
inredible performance.

Quote:
>The Germans have gone the other way, BMW have built some excellent
>machines that have wacky and sometimes plain ugly styling, nobody it
>seems can match the Italians.

BMWs suck, mostly. They vibrate, they have quirky electrics and
controls. I've ridden a fair few and I really don't like them at all.
Japanese bikes are light-years better.

Quote:
>I personally believe it is a matter of passion and of the way people
>view the world around them. Many Italian designers say that they are
>inspired by the Female Form (What male isn't?) and the curves and
>looks of their machines reflect this, perhaps other Europeans are more
>interested in practicality and sales?

Heh! I notice you don't mention Moto-Guzzi... I always fancied a Cali
1100 injection, it's got *running boards*, but it would be a non-
practical summertime only bike.
--
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