Will Schumacher become the greatest pilot ever?

Will Schumacher become the greatest pilot ever?

Post by Michael Gamau » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Only two Grand Prix wins more and Michael Schumacher will beat Ayrton
Senna's record of 41 victories. Of course, Alain Prost has even ten more,
but even this is reachable for the German...
 
 
 

Will Schumacher become the greatest pilot ever?

Post by Johnn » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Michael Gamauf schrieb:

Quote:
> Only two Grand Prix wins more and Michael Schumacher will beat Ayrton
> Senna's record of 41 victories. Of course, Alain Prost has even ten more,
> but even this is reachable for the German...

Well, we all know that and discussed it recently. There certainly again
people come up here and try to proove that it does not mean
the same achievement.

However it seems more interesting to me, when Schumacher will reach his
41 win to equal Senna in overall less races. I predicted it
at the French GP, what IMO would be almost a preliminary
decision for the DWC. If the next three races go well for
Ferrari and they can overcome their reliability problems
with Schumacher's car, I would say it's already all over for MH or
more likely DC (at the moment). There are good race tracks
for Schumacher still to come (like Spa, Monza, Sepang or
Suzuka) and since the Ferrari seems to be fast at all tracks this time,
the chances to win some more GP's are great.

Herbert
A fa of Johnny!:-)

 
 
 

Will Schumacher become the greatest pilot ever?

Post by Martin Schmid » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Only two Grand Prix wins more and Michael Schumacher will beat Ayrton
> Senna's record of 41 victories. Of course, Alain Prost has even ten more,
> but even this is reachable for the German...

Absolute numbers don't count - they always have to be seen in relation to
the number of driven GPs.

 
 
 

Will Schumacher become the greatest pilot ever?

Post by MJF 20 » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:56:50 +0200, "Martin Schmidt"

Quote:


>> Only two Grand Prix wins more and Michael Schumacher will beat Ayrton
>> Senna's record of 41 victories. Of course, Alain Prost has even ten more,
>> but even this is reachable for the German...

>Absolute numbers don't count - they always have to be seen in relation to
>the number of driven GPs.

The statistic is races won.  Not races one per mile driven or unit
race.

Mark
www.pipeline.com/~opus

"Skippy For President:  Everyone Else Is A ***er."

 
 
 

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Post by MotorMa » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Ik kan me hier wel in vinden, Martin Schmidt, maar toch wil ik nog
even dit kwijt:

Quote:

>> Only two Grand Prix wins more and Michael Schumacher will beat Ayrton
>> Senna's record of 41 victories. Of course, Alain Prost has even ten more,
>> but even this is reachable for the German...

>Absolute numbers don't count - they always have to be seen in relation to
>the number of driven GPs.

But in the end people only remember the absolute numbers and base
their image of people/events/whatever thereon...
 
 
 

Will Schumacher become the greatest pilot ever?

Post by CI » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Quote:



> >> Only two Grand Prix wins more and Michael Schumacher will beat
Ayrton
> >> Senna's record of 41 victories. Of course, Alain Prost has even
ten more,
> >> but even this is reachable for the German...

> >Absolute numbers don't count - they always have to be seen in
relation to
> >the number of driven GPs.

> You'll find that if you do that Schumacher is already far ahead of
Senna
> and Prost.

> Gunther

Yes, and don't forget the gift of a Formula One win that M
Schumacher gave
to EI last year.  Schumacher's win percentage is higher than Senna's
and
he will beat Senna's win record in far fewer F-1 race starts.

Prost's record of an incredible 51 F-1 wins is also in reach of MS,
but he
will have to have another great year or two to reach that superb
performance
by Alain Prost.  Can MS match Prost's 4 WDC's?

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Will Schumacher become the greatest pilot ever?

Post by Gunther Rola » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Quote:


>> Only two Grand Prix wins more and Michael Schumacher will beat Ayrton
>> Senna's record of 41 victories. Of course, Alain Prost has even ten more,
>> but even this is reachable for the German...

>Absolute numbers don't count - they always have to be seen in relation to
>the number of driven GPs.

You'll find that if you do that Schumacher is already far ahead of Senna
and Prost.

Gunther

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Will Schumacher become the greatest pilot ever?

Post by Marc P. Gregoir » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Naw
 
 
 

Will Schumacher become the greatest pilot ever?

Post by Chantil Sinclai » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
> > >> Only two Grand Prix wins more and Michael Schumacher will beat
> Ayrton
> > >> Senna's record of 41 victories. Of course, Alain Prost has even
> ten more,
> > >> but even this is reachable for the German...

> > >Absolute numbers don't count - they always have to be seen in
> relation to
> > >the number of driven GPs.

> > You'll find that if you do that Schumacher is already far ahead of
> Senna
> > and Prost.

> > Gunther

> Yes, and don't forget the gift of a Formula One win that M
> Schumacher gave
> to EI last year.  Schumacher's win percentage is higher than Senna's
> and
> he will beat Senna's win record in far fewer F-1 race starts.

If you do that, you also have to consider how many grand prixs eddie could
have won if he didn't have to follow team orders.
 
 
 

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Post by Bob Dube » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:15:18 +0100, "Chantil Sinclair"

Quote:

>If you do that, you also have to consider how many grand prixs eddie could
>have won if he didn't have to follow team orders.

There's so many imponderables...

How many wins would Prost have got if he hadn't been up against Senna
- and vice versa? How many wins and championships would Schumacher
have now if Senna hadn't died at Imola? Certainly Schumacher has an
advantage in that he hasn't been challenged as seriously as Prost and
Senna were.

The decision must be at least partly subjective, and can only hold
until the next great driver comes along. Certainly you can't reduce it
to mere numbers and ratios.

Personally I'd go for Stewart or Moss - both superb drivers, and they
didn't need to resort to the kind of thuggery and gamesmanship that
Schumacher, Senna and, to a lesser degree, Prost have indulged in.

 
 
 

Will Schumacher become the greatest pilot ever?

Post by Ray Lor » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

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Quote:
> Naw

 
 
 

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Post by Gunther Rola » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

>If you do that, you also have to consider how many grand prixs eddie could
>have won if he didn't have to follow team orders.

Yeah? Name a few.
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Post by Chantil Sinclai » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Quote:


> >If you do that, you also have to consider how many grand prixs eddie
could
> >have won if he didn't have to follow team orders.

> Yeah? Name a few.

Impossible. Thats my point. You can only go on the results, not the what
ifs, as Murray Walker is so fond of telling us "In Formula 1 anything can
happen, and it usually does."
 
 
 

Will Schumacher become the greatest pilot ever?

Post by CI » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
> Naw

He has a chance to be the greatest!
 
 
 

Will Schumacher become the greatest pilot ever?

Post by Lucas Fowle » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Quote:





> > >If you do that, you also have to consider how many grand prixs eddie
> could
> > >have won if he didn't have to follow team orders.

> > Yeah? Name a few.

> Impossible. Thats my point. You can only go on the results, not the what
> ifs, as Murray Walker is so fond of telling us "In Formula 1 anything can
> happen, and it usually does."

Schumacher Irvine 1-2's:

Monaco 1999:    EI 30 seconds behind
Monza  1998:    EI 37 secs adrift
France 1998:    EI 19 secs off

Which makes 3 possibles in total. IIRC he wasn't in a position to win
any of those with or without team orders. The only time I can recall
obvious team orders was Austria 1998 but that was when Eddie let MS by
for 3rd place and not a win.

LF :)