OT: Scared myself shitless today.

OT: Scared myself shitless today.

Post by Paul Giveri » Mon, 17 May 2010 20:05:34


My lad works for Tesla Motors, who make electric powered sports cars. He
came to stay this weekend and brought with him a Telsa Roadster. This
car is based on the Lotus Elise platform but with battery power rather
than petrol engine.

Anyway, this thing is blistering fast in a straight line. 0-60mph is 3.7
seconds. I used to ride fast accelerating bikes with 0-60 around 4
seconds but this thing is just mental. I've never experienced
acceleration like it. The down side is the weight distribution. As Ian
Rawlings alluded to in a previous post, It doesn't handle as well as a
Lotus Elise. The uber heavy battery pack in the rear meant that it
didn't feel that nimble on roundabouts etc. Being electric, it was
fairly quiet. Not completely silent though as the motor sounded a bit
like a being on an aircraft on its takeoff run. At around 90k UK pounds,
I think they are overpriced but it was good fun.

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Post by APLe » Tue, 18 May 2010 05:57:22



Quote:
> My lad works for Tesla Motors, who make electric powered sports cars.
> He came to stay this weekend and brought with him a Telsa Roadster.
> This car is based on the Lotus Elise platform but with battery power
> rather than petrol engine.

> Anyway, this thing is blistering fast in a straight line. 0-60mph is
> 3.7 seconds. I used to ride fast accelerating bikes with 0-60 around 4
> seconds but this thing is just mental. I've never experienced
> acceleration like it. The down side is the weight distribution. As Ian
> Rawlings alluded to in a previous post, It doesn't handle as well as a
> Lotus Elise. The uber heavy battery pack in the rear meant that it
> didn't feel that nimble on roundabouts etc. Being electric, it was
> fairly quiet. Not completely silent though as the motor sounded a bit
> like a being on an aircraft on its takeoff run. At around 90k UK
> pounds, I think they are overpriced but it was good fun.

And only *one* gear to boot. Simply amazing. One has to see the bit
about it on Top Gear. Aside from the battery not having near enough life
it's quite the thing.

 
 
 

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Post by GS » Tue, 18 May 2010 06:28:08


Quote:
> And only *one* gear to boot. Simply amazing. One has to see the bit
> about it on Top Gear. Aside from the battery not having near enough life
> it's quite the thing.

From what I can remember, Top Gear may not have given the car a honest
review in regards to battery life ;-)

 
 
 

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Post by APLe » Tue, 18 May 2010 06:37:38



Quote:



>> And only *one* gear to boot. Simply amazing. One has to see the bit
>> about it on Top Gear. Aside from the battery not having near enough
>> life it's quite the thing.

> From what I can remember, Top Gear may not have given the car a honest
> review in regards to battery life ;-)

No, certainly not in normal road use, but that's not what they do
anyways.
 
 
 

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Post by Ian Rawling » Wed, 19 May 2010 04:46:47


Quote:
> And only *one* gear to boot. Simply amazing. One has to see the bit
> about it on Top Gear. Aside from the battery not having near enough life
> it's quite the thing.

There's some new all-electric car being released by a major manufacturer
(can't remember which one) and it has a quoted range of 100 miles, less
than the tesla, apparently 100 miles is what electric-only owners go for!  
Talk about limiting.

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Post by Brad » Wed, 19 May 2010 08:40:40

Quote:


>> And only *one* gear to boot. Simply amazing. One has to see the bit
>> about it on Top Gear. Aside from the battery not having near enough
>> life it's quite the thing.

> There's some new all-electric car being released by a major
> manufacturer (can't remember which one) and it has a quoted range of
> 100 miles, less than the tesla, apparently 100 miles is what
> electric-only owners go for! Talk about limiting.

I can smell a sideline business for caravan parks. Renting out powered sites
by the hour to car owners wanting a recharge.

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Post by Frank Ada » Wed, 19 May 2010 11:58:02



Quote:


>>> And only *one* gear to boot. Simply amazing. One has to see the bit
>>> about it on Top Gear. Aside from the battery not having near enough
>>> life it's quite the thing.

>> There's some new all-electric car being released by a major
>> manufacturer (can't remember which one) and it has a quoted range of
>> 100 miles, less than the tesla, apparently 100 miles is what
>> electric-only owners go for! Talk about limiting.

Saw that too. It's a Ford i think.
Bit sluggish too, 0-60Mph in 5 seconds. That's almost a second or two
slower than some of the more potent sportscars. It's a disgrace. ;)  

Quote:
>I can smell a sideline business for caravan parks. Renting out powered sites
>by the hour to car owners wanting a recharge.

They'll be everywhere. Car washes, petrol stations, car parks etc..
Probably coin or credit card operated.

What worries me is, that the governments will stand to lose a fortune
on petrol excises. How will they recoup that ? Increase power costs
across the board, or just bang the registration fees of electrics up
to double or something, or... just hit everything else to make up for
it. ***ing Rudd. ;)

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Post by Mike » Wed, 19 May 2010 19:38:31


Quote:

> > And only *one* gear to boot. Simply amazing. One has to see the bit
> > about it on Top Gear. Aside from the battery not having near enough life
> > it's quite the thing.

> There's some new all-electric car being released by a major manufacturer
> (can't remember which one) and it has a quoted range of 100 miles, less
> than the tesla, apparently 100 miles is what electric-only owners go for! ?
> Talk about limiting.

Nissan LEAF?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf

 
 
 

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Post by Ian Rawling » Wed, 19 May 2010 21:12:11


Quote:
> I can smell a sideline business for caravan parks. Renting out powered sites
> by the hour to car owners wanting a recharge.

And tents, and food, and a change of clothes, it takes at least 8 hours to
get a decent charge in an electric car, more with just 13 amp supply.

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Post by Ian Rawling » Wed, 19 May 2010 21:14:51


Quote:
> Saw that too. It's a Ford i think.
> Bit sluggish too, 0-60Mph in 5 seconds. That's almost a second or two
> slower than some of the more potent sportscars. It's a disgrace. ;)  

The Nissan Leaf I think it is.  And I don't think it's quick.

Quote:
> They'll be everywhere. Car washes, petrol stations, car parks etc..
> Probably coin or credit card operated.

Nah, it takes *HOURS* to refill, a one-hour charge wouldn't get you very
far, 8-12 hours to refill the cells completely.  That's the biggest
problem with electric cars right now, noises are being made about battery
swap technology, you roll up and get a pack of already-charged cells,
can't see it working that well myself.

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Post by Ian Rawling » Wed, 19 May 2010 21:15:12


Quote:
> Nissan LEAF?

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf

Yep that was the one.

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Post by Ian Rawling » Wed, 19 May 2010 21:27:17


Quote:

>> Nissan LEAF?

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf

> Yep that was the one.

Mind you according to that, it can take an 80% charge in 30 minutes with a
special 480 volt 125 amp supply, basically dig up a street supply cable,
plug in two phases and stand back!

That's a fairly hefty supply.

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Post by Paul Giveri » Wed, 19 May 2010 21:43:54



Quote:

>Nah, it takes *HOURS* to refill, a one-hour charge wouldn't get you very
>far, 8-12 hours to refill the cells completely.  That's the biggest
>problem with electric cars right now, noises are being made about battery
>swap technology, you roll up and get a pack of already-charged cells,
>can't see it working that well myself.

With the Tesla, the supplied charger does take 8-12 hours but you can
purchase the optional 3 phase jobby which I'm told charges it fully in
2-3 hours. TBH, if I'd spent 90k on a car, I'd expect the rapid charger
to be included in the price.

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Post by Ian Rawling » Wed, 19 May 2010 22:01:25


Quote:
> With the Tesla, the supplied charger does take 8-12 hours but you can
> purchase the optional 3 phase jobby which I'm told charges it fully in
> 2-3 hours. TBH, if I'd spent 90k on a car, I'd expect the rapid charger
> to be included in the price.

You'd also need the 3-phase mains supply connected, the price of which can
vary depending on your local wiring and who does the job, which doesn't
lend itself well to being pre-packaged.

Plus of course it's no use if you're away from home!

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Post by ric zi » Wed, 19 May 2010 22:17:59

Quote:

> Nah, it takes *HOURS* to refill, a one-hour charge wouldn't get you very
> far, 8-12 hours to refill the cells completely.  That's the biggest
> problem with electric cars right now, noises are being made about battery
> swap technology, you roll up and get a pack of already-charged cells,
> can't see it working that well myself.

Watched a very interesting talk on TED a couple of years back, by Shai
Agassi, extolling the virtues of standardised battery-swap tech. It's
one of those slap-forehead ideas. So obvious, really. The network is
already in place : convert existing petrol stations to swap/charging
stations. Standardise the shape and size of the batteries, in order to
have universal forklift-type machines which replace them via a slide out
drawer arrangement, perhaps in the rear bumper, or in one of the sills.

IIRC Agassi got $5m investment capital out of Renault to pursue the
idea. It's pretty much a win-win. The oil companies could actually make
money out of it, and recoup their existing investment in real estate.
The battery rental is reasonably cheap, and the swap over ime is
comparable to filling your tank.

As a side effect, batteries can be made smaller and lighter, as overall
range isn't such an issue. That said, there was talk of different packs
being available for rent : normal, or long-range etc etc.

I think the idea has some potential. Who knows?
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