China - Renault "faster" then Ferrari

China - Renault "faster" then Ferrari

Post by jull.. » Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:04:02


Au ha escrito:

Quote:
> During the race in China today, in the closing stages both the ITV
> presenters stated that the Renault "is clearly faster than the Ferrari
> - and that Renault have caught up in development".

> How would the presenters know this? Michael Schumacher was in front
> and protecting his lead, he did not have to push the car at all, a big
> enough time lead. Renault wanted a better result for Fernando and so
> had a reason to push.

> The fact that Fernando pushed so much he now risked his engine
> reliability for the Japanese GP next weekend.

> Will the presenters engage their brains in gear once in a while?

No, admittedly Renault was faster both in wet and dry conditions as it
clearly showed, Ferrari was faster for the rest of conditions ;-) (50
laps or so).
 
 
 

China - Renault "faster" then Ferrari

Post by Depresio » Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:58:24


Quote:
> Will the presenters engage their brains in gear once in a while?

No, not after all these years.

 
 
 

China - Renault "faster" then Ferrari

Post by Sheve » Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:19:40


Quote:
> Au ha escrito:

>> During the race in China today, in the closing stages both the ITV
>> presenters stated that the Renault "is clearly faster than the Ferrari
>> - and that Renault have caught up in development".

>> How would the presenters know this? Michael Schumacher was in front
>> and protecting his lead, he did not have to push the car at all, a big
>> enough time lead. Renault wanted a better result for Fernando and so
>> had a reason to push.

>> The fact that Fernando pushed so much he now risked his engine
>> reliability for the Japanese GP next weekend.

>> Will the presenters engage their brains in gear once in a while?

> No, admittedly Renault was faster both in wet and dry conditions as it
> clearly showed, Ferrari was faster for the rest of conditions ;-) (50
> laps or so).

:-) That comment from Alonso was really stupid. 50 laps? From 56?

How could he say "It has been a great weekend" when he lose the race and
Schumacher is now the leader (although Renault is again on top in WCC)?

--
Shevek

 
 
 

China - Renault "faster" then Ferrari

Post by jull.. » Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:02:52

Shevek ha escrito:

Quote:

> > Au ha escrito:

> >> During the race in China today, in the closing stages both the ITV
> >> presenters stated that the Renault "is clearly faster than the Ferrari
> >> - and that Renault have caught up in development".

> >> How would the presenters know this? Michael Schumacher was in front
> >> and protecting his lead, he did not have to push the car at all, a big
> >> enough time lead. Renault wanted a better result for Fernando and so
> >> had a reason to push.

> >> The fact that Fernando pushed so much he now risked his engine
> >> reliability for the Japanese GP next weekend.

> >> Will the presenters engage their brains in gear once in a while?

> > No, admittedly Renault was faster both in wet and dry conditions as it
> > clearly showed, Ferrari was faster for the rest of conditions ;-) (50
> > laps or so).

> :-) That comment from Alonso was really stupid. 50 laps? From 56?

> How could he say "It has been a great weekend" when he lose the race and
> Schumacher is now the leader (although Renault is again on top in WCC)?

I didn't know making it to the 2nd place was called losing the race as
well, rather Schumi win it. But yes, if only he hadn't been at the
pit-stop 20 seconds, or if Fisi had impedded Schumi a few more seconds,
chances are that Alonso had won. Anyway, if Alonso lost it, it was
through no fault of his own.
 
 
 

China - Renault "faster" then Ferrari

Post by Phil Carmod » Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:25:34

Quote:

> Anyway, if Alonso lost it, it was
> through no fault of his own.

Absolutely. I genuinely thought that Kimi was up for victory
after Alonso's first patch of trouble in the 2nd stint.
Then through no fault of his own Kimi bites the dust.

The race was won by the person who suffered the least
from things that weren't his fault.

7th place, however, was attained by the person who probably
suffered the _most_ from such things. Shame.

Phil
--
"Home taping is killing big business profits. We left this side blank
so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of
/In God We Trust, Inc./.

 
 
 

China - Renault "faster" then Ferrari

Post by Richard Mille » Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:00:24



Quote:

>> Anyway, if Alonso lost it, it was
>> through no fault of his own.

>Absolutely. I genuinely thought that Kimi was up for victory
>after Alonso's first patch of trouble in the 2nd stint.
>Then through no fault of his own Kimi bites the dust.

>The race was won by the person who suffered the least
>from things that weren't his fault.

Indeed. Schumacher did nothing wrong at all, but he really lucked into
that one, because the Ferrari was not quicker than the Renault except
when Alonso had his tyre problem. If Alonso's tyres had not needed
changing (why did his need it and nobody else's?), if the***had not
been cross-threaded, if the rain at the end had come five minutes
earlier, if, if, if...

Also, brilliant bit of driving by Button on that last lap to box
Heidfeld in behind the Super Aguri and steal 4th.
--
Richard Miller

 
 
 

China - Renault "faster" then Ferrari

Post by Suz » Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:07:41

Quote:

> During the race in China today, in the closing stages both the ITV
> presenters stated that the Renault "is clearly faster than the Ferrari
> - and that Renault have caught up in development".

> How would the presenters know this? Michael Schumacher was in front
> and protecting his lead, he did not have to push the car at all, a big
> enough time lead. Renault wanted a better result for Fernando and so
> had a reason to push.

> The fact that Fernando pushed so much he now risked his engine
> reliability for the Japanese GP next weekend.

> Will the presenters engage their brains in gear once in a while?

You need to engage your brain, like you fantasy predictions, you limey
sheep-shagger. Schumacher was pushing flat out becuase he knew if it
started to rain he needed all the gap he could use. Another lap with
the rain he Alonso would have won. Next time,  engage your brain before
posting, you embarrassing english ***.
 
 
 

China - Renault "faster" then Ferrari

Post by Bumble Bee Boy » Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:36:59

Quote:

> You need to engage your brain, like you fantasy predictions, you limey
> sheep-shagger. Schumacher was pushing flat out becuase he knew if it
> started to rain he needed all the gap he could use. Another lap with
> the rain he Alonso would have won. Next time,  engage your brain
> before posting, you embarrassing english ***.

You missed out the gay insult. You truly are a rubbish troll Suzie.

--
Bumble Bee Boy 2

"We can do it whilst I play Atari!"
www.myspace.com/imnimrodsson

 
 
 

China - Renault "faster" then Ferrari

Post by Brian Lawrenc » Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:53:52

Might be of interest that Alonso was quicker than Schumacher on 30 of the
56 laps while Schumacher was quicker than Alonso on 19 laps. Disregarding
their respective "in" and "out" laps.

Alonso quicker      1-14,                     38-39,    42-49,    51-56
Schumacher quicker        15-20, 24-34,    37                  50

In laps (Alonso)                 22     35
        (Schumacher)             21                  40

Out laps (Alonso)                23     36
         (Schumacher)            22                  41

--

Brian

 
 
 

China - Renault "faster" then Ferrari

Post by Brian Lawrenc » Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:52:55

Quote:

> On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:53:52 +0100, Brian Lawrence scribed:

>> Might be of interest that Alonso was quicker than Schumacher on 30 of the
>> 56 laps while Schumacher was quicker than Alonso on 19 laps. Disregarding
>> their respective "in" and "out" laps.

> But the specific comments the commentators made on ITV was that the
> Renault CARS had improved...

Yes I know. I believe both Allen & Brundle (and Blundell too, but he doesn't
usually have any original thoughts) said that. The perception has been that
Ferrari surpassed the Renault performance around the US GP and have been
quicker ever since. It seems as though they (Renault) have been getting
closer and this weekend saw them move ahead again. Maybe some of the perceived
gain in Shanghai is down to the intermediate tyres, although Alonso was a
lot quicker than MS during their final stints wheich were on dry-weather
tyes I believe. Schumacher says he was taking it easy and had "turned the rpm
down", but he would say that anyway.

Fernando was within a tenth of Michael on Saturday morning, running on dry
tyres after the track dried during the session. That hour isn't that
significant of itself, but I think that Renault have almost certainly
clawed back most, if not all, of the recent Ferrari advantage.

Quote:
> but then, why were all the Bridgestone
> tyre runners terrible all of a sudden in the race?

Well it was not that sudden, qualifying showed that apart from Michael, none
of the Bridgestone runners were in good shape on the inters (or the full wets
for that matter).

I see that the weather for Suzuka is looking similar to Shanghai -

Friday - showers - 60% chance of rain
Saturday - showers - 40% chance of rain
Sunday - sunny - 10% chance of rain

the first few days of the week look very wet, so that trend may continue into
the weekend.

--

Brian

 
 
 

China - Renault "faster" then Ferrari

Post by alex » Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:54:31



Quote:

>> On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:53:52 +0100, Brian Lawrence scribed:

>>> Might be of interest that Alonso was quicker than Schumacher on 30 of
>>> the 56 laps while Schumacher was quicker than Alonso on 19 laps.
>>> Disregarding their respective "in" and "out" laps.

>> But the specific comments the commentators made on ITV was that the
>> Renault CARS had improved...

> Yes I know. I believe both Allen & Brundle (and Blundell too, but he
> doesn't usually have any original thoughts) said that. The perception
> has been that Ferrari surpassed the Renault performance around the US
> GP and have been quicker ever since. It seems as though they (Renault)
> have been getting closer and this weekend saw them move ahead again.
> Maybe some of the perceived gain in Shanghai is down to the
> intermediate tyres, although Alonso was a lot quicker than MS during
> their final stints wheich were on dry-weather tyes I believe.
> Schumacher says he was taking it easy and had "turned the rpm down",
> but he would say that anyway.

> Fernando was within a tenth of Michael on Saturday morning, running on
> dry tyres after the track dried during the session. That hour isn't
> that significant of itself, but I think that Renault have almost
> certainly clawed back most, if not all, of the recent Ferrari
> advantage.

It's difficult to say. MS might have been running more downforce
(considering that he was able to keep up with other cars early on and that
he had hard time making top 10 in qually it seems likely he was forced to
run more downforce). It would make him slower when the racing line dried
while not really reflecting the car's potential performance.

Alex.

 
 
 

China - Renault "faster" then Ferrari

Post by CatharticF » Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:37:17


Quote:


>> During the race in China today, in the closing stages both the ITV
>> presenters stated that the Renault "is clearly faster than the Ferrari
>> - and that Renault have caught up in development".

>> How would the presenters know this? Michael Schumacher was in front
>> and protecting his lead, he did not have to push the car at all, a big
>> enough time lead. Renault wanted a better result for Fernando and so
>> had a reason to push.

>> The fact that Fernando pushed so much he now risked his engine
>> reliability for the Japanese GP next weekend.

>> Will the presenters engage their brains in gear once in a while?

> You need to engage your brain, like you fantasy predictions, you limey
> sheep-shagger. Schumacher was pushing flat out becuase he knew if it
> started to rain he needed all the gap he could use. Another lap with
> the rain he Alonso would have won. Next time,  engage your brain before
> posting, you embarrassing english ***.

I can absolutely see your little fists shaking! But you managed to stop
your hands trembling long enough to make this post. Good for you little
boy. But my you are upset - and still crying. We love it - DO scream some
more.

--
CatharticF1

"What you thought was Freedom is just Greed."

 
 
 

China - Renault "faster" then Ferrari

Post by H » Thu, 05 Oct 2006 02:27:02


Quote:
> On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:53:52 +0100, Brian Lawrence scribed:

>> Might be of interest that Alonso was quicker than Schumacher on 30 of the
>> 56 laps while Schumacher was quicker than Alonso on 19 laps. Disregarding
>> their respective "in" and "out" laps.

> But the specific comments the commentators made on ITV

oh dear, James Allen ? ;)
Quote:
> was that the
> Renault CARS had improved... but then, why were all the Bridgestone
> tyre runners terrible all of a sudden in the race?

 
 
 

China - Renault "faster" then Ferrari

Post by PoorSO » Thu, 05 Oct 2006 04:17:55

Quote:

> Yes I know. I believe both Allen & Brundle (and Blundell too, but he doesn't
> usually have any original thoughts) said that. The perception has been that
> Ferrari surpassed the Renault performance around the US GP and have been
> quicker ever since. It seems as though they (Renault) have been getting
> closer and this weekend saw them move ahead again. Maybe some of the perceived
> gain in Shanghai is down to the intermediate tyres, although Alonso was a
> lot quicker than MS during their final stints wheich were on dry-weather
> tyes I believe. Schumacher says he was taking it easy and had "turned the rpm
> down", but he would say that anyway.

> Fernando was within a tenth of Michael on Saturday morning, running on dry
> tyres after the track dried during the session. That hour isn't that
> significant of itself, but I think that Renault have almost certainly
> clawed back most, if not all, of the recent Ferrari advantage.

> > but then, why were all the Bridgestone
> > tyre runners terrible all of a sudden in the race?

> Well it was not that sudden, qualifying showed that apart from Michael, none
> of the Bridgestone runners were in good shape on the inters (or the full wets
> for that matter).

> I see that the weather for Suzuka is looking similar to Shanghai -

> Friday - showers - 60% chance of rain
> Saturday - showers - 40% chance of rain
> Sunday - sunny - 10% chance of rain

> the first few days of the week look very wet, so that trend may continue into
> the weekend.

> --

> Brian

It still remains to be seen if Renault has closed the gap. On Inters,
Michelins are a great deal better than the B-Stones.

Why would Michael lie about 'backing off"? If you have a lead and the
laps and interval are in your favor, why push so hard? I think all the
lead drivers do once they get a comfortable to save the car.