Villeneuve fans: Palmer is NOT a Hill Fan.

Villeneuve fans: Palmer is NOT a Hill Fan.

Post by D. Hold » Sun, 26 May 1996 04:00:00


  For all those who did not watch the BBC coverage of F1 last year,
  and may only have started watching because Villeneuve is driving
  this year.

   Palmer is in NO WAY WHATSOEVER a Hill fan.

LAST YEAR palmer's commentating:

   For practically all of last year Palmer was positively vindictive
   in is comments about Hill's performance, in fact on several occasion he
   was suggesting Williams was regretting giving a one year contract to Hill
   instead of Coultard for 1996.

   He constantly praised Schumacher pretty much all year while denigrating
   Hill.

LAST YEAR driver's racing (my opinions):

   Hill althought performing better than Coultard most of the year made
   some pretty basic errors and was no match for the talented
   Schumacher/Benetton combination, (emphasis on Schumacer)

THIS YEAR palmer's commentating:

   This year he's been full of praise for Hill while often denigrating
   Villeneuve, however he still praises Schumacher as the BEST driver in
   F1 even though he is not winning races.

THIS YEAR driver's racing (my opinions):

    Hill has won 4/6 of races (in the best car - so far), out qualified
    his teammate in all but one of the GP (on some occasions by over a
    second -- thats huge!), and overall made hardly any mistakes.

    Villeneuve drove superbly for a rookie in Melbourne, but in almost all
    other GP been nowhere near as fast as his teammate, this in itself is
    nothing to be ashamed of accept when you consider all the hype that has
    been said about JV, (i.e, next Schumacher, World champ in the making etc..)
    after all Coultard looked more of a threat to Hill at this time last year
    than JV does at the moment.

    Schumacher has turned the Ferrari operation round in just six races to
    the point where he's been on pole at the last 2 GP. (cf the situation at
    his old team).

MY CONCLUSIONS:

    Palmer is pretty accurate in is commentating however does have an
    irritating tendency to be over critical, however he does not show
    favouritism with his critism.

    Villeneuve fans should ignore Palmers comments for the next few
    races because I think JV deserves to be given at least 2/3 of a season
    before any real judgement of his long term prospects in F1 can be made.

    By the way one circuit I do think JV will out qualify Hill on is Imola,
    since this circuit needs an agressive drive, remember Coultards last year?

    Dave

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Holden Phys. Dept.    |  PGP key available on request.
keele university.          |
keele. staffs. England.    |    When Privacy is Outlawed,

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 
 
 

Villeneuve fans: Palmer is NOT a Hill Fan.

Post by D. Hold » Sun, 26 May 1996 04:00:00

:
:     By the way one circuit I do think JV will out qualify Hill on is Imola,
:     since this circuit needs an agressive drive, remember Coultards last year?
:

   Oops,
    Make that Monza.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Holden Phys. Dept.    |  PGP key available on request.
keele university.          |
keele. staffs. England.    |    When Privacy is Outlawed,

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 
 
 

Villeneuve fans: Palmer is NOT a Hill Fan.

Post by Joe Roderi » Sun, 26 May 1996 04:00:00

[cut stuff]

Quote:
>MY CONCLUSIONS:
>    Palmer is pretty accurate in is commentating however does have an
>    irritating tendency to be over critical, however he does not show
>    favouritism with his critism.

>    Villeneuve fans should ignore Palmers comments for the next few
>    races because I think JV deserves to be given at least 2/3 of a season
>    before any real judgement of his long term prospects in F1 can be made.
>    By the way one circuit I do think JV will out qualify Hill on is Imola,
>    since this circuit needs an agressive drive, remember Coultards last year?
>    Dave

Dave, excellent perspective and insights.  One might call it a little
intelligence in a mucky sea of emotional and often nutty comments on
the subject!   It's posts like this one - that have intelligent and
positive commentary - that make all the bad posts worth flipping
through.   In essence, Palmer's commentary on any F-1 subject are on
equal footing with anybody's, yours, mine and the people who are
reading this.  Nothing can - or will - make his opinions any better or
worse than anyone else's.  

Suffice to say Hill has earned where he is now, Schumacher is doing
well in the new Ferrari, as is Coulthard in the MacLaren, and it bears
mentionaing once _again_ that Villeneuve is still in his first year in
F-1, and there will be more dramaitc ups and dowsn than his results in
say, 4 years time.    

Predictions, hype, opinion, they're just that, predictions and hype,
opinion and crystal-ball gazing, it's just guesswork.  It's all BS, in
other words.  We do these things because we want to stick our necks
out on the line and maybe be right once in a while, but sometimes
we're wrong.  I picked Schumacher for this year (around mid-winter I
thought this), and it doesn't look too good now, does it? It doesn't
mean much, but it doesn't mean I'm going to criticize him and call him
dissappointing and stupid and a lousy driver, that would be a
historical inaccuracy.  

One can easily say the same for Villeneuve.  Some say he is not living
up to the hype.  Hmm.  Is Shcuamcher not living up to the hype in the
Ferrari if one uses the same logic?  I think not.  Basically, there is
a simple reason why Villeneuve was hyped before the start of the year;
he won the Indy car world championship in his 3rd year, the Indy 500,
the guy is an exceptional driver on the international level, simple.  

If Hill wins the WC this year - and he probably will - I'll be very
happy, but it is worth adding that we tend to fixate on the drivers in
this ng, but what about the teams, the managers and the constructor &
engine aspects of this sport?

Forget the drivers, Frank Williams is the biggest winner in F-1, as
far as I'm concerned.  Look at what he's got!  The best drivers, the
best car, an excellent team, the guy's is a genius.  

Let's hope for exciting and safe racing from here on in '96!

 
 
 

Villeneuve fans: Palmer is NOT a Hill Fan.

Post by elio » Mon, 27 May 1996 04:00:00

frank williams on JV's performance in brazil:

[impressed that he was running second to hill for so long]

"coming from indycar racing, he's had hardly any experience of driving
in the rain and i thought alesi, schumacher & co. would bury him.
they didn't though, did they?"

patrick head:

[unfazed by the brazil dnf]

"yes, he spun out of the race, but the conditions were very unfamiliar
to him.  and i think one thing we're discovering about jacques is that
he learns from his mistakes.  i'll be surprised if he makes that one
again."

frank williams was also a guest writer in one of the autosports which
i have misplaced at the moment.  he was particularly impressed by JV
in argentina where he passed hakkinen, verstappen, barrichello and
coulthard in a space of 5 laps, and he said so plainly in writing.

so palmer is really fantasizing when he says that the williams team
are disappointed with him etc.  don't believe a word of it, because
interviews, written articles as well as candid tv footage of the team
all tell a different story.  palmer can very well say that he
personally is unimpressed and disappointed with JV, but to stretch
that into saying that the *team* is disappointed is irresponsible,
reprehensible and deserving of a letter writing campaign to set
him straight.

eliot

 
 
 

Villeneuve fans: Palmer is NOT a Hill Fan.

Post by Bar » Tue, 28 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
D. Holden writes:

|>
|> LAST YEAR palmer's commentating:
|>
|>    For practically all of last year Palmer was positively vindictive
|>    in is comments about Hill's performance, in fact on several occasion he
|>    was suggesting Williams was regretting giving a one year contract to Hill
|>    instead of Coultard for 1996.

Er, well, this is true. Frank Williams was widely quoted as saying that letting
David Coulthard go was possibly the biggest mistake he had made in F1. This was
after he had signed Villeneuve, so it can only mean that he was referring to
keeping DH over DC.
--
Bart   |\/\/\/|  
       |      |   ______________
       |      |  /              \
       | (o)(o)  | Don't have a |
       C      _) /   cow, man!  |
        | ,___| /_______________/
        |   /    
       /____\    
      /      \  

 
 
 

Villeneuve fans: Palmer is NOT a Hill Fan.

Post by Doug Fle » Wed, 29 May 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>|>
>| For practically all of last year Palmer was positively vindictive
>| in is comments about Hill's performance, in fact on several occasion he
>| was suggesting Williams was regretting giving a one year contract to Hill
>| instead of Coultard for 1996.

>Er, well, this is true. Frank Williams was widely quoted as saying that
>letting David Coulthard go was possibly the biggest mistake he had made in
>F1. This was after he had signed Villeneuve, so it can only mean that he was
>referring to keeping DH over DC.

OK then, lets have the quote, date and source please. I think a lot of
people would be interested in reading William's *original* comments.

Thanks,

DJF

 
 
 

Villeneuve fans: Palmer is NOT a Hill Fan.

Post by Bar » Wed, 29 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
Doug Flere writes:


|> >
|> >Er, well, this is true. Frank Williams was widely quoted as saying that
|> >letting David Coulthard go was possibly the biggest mistake he had made in
|> >F1. This was after he had signed Villeneuve, so it can only mean that he was
|> >referring to keeping DH over DC.
|>
|> OK then, lets have the quote, date and source please. I think a lot of
|> people would be interested in reading William's *original* comments.

Sorry, I never saw a direct quote, just statements made (e.g. Electronic
Telegraph) that Frank Williams' decision to let Coulthard go was "regretful".
I think this was soon after last year's Portuguese GP if that helps anyone
find a quote.

Cheers,

Bart   |\/\/\/|  
       |      |   ______________
       |      |  /              \
       | (o)(o)  | Don't have a |
       C      _) /   cow, man!  |
        | ,___| /_______________/
        |   /    
       /____\    
      /      \  

 
 
 

Villeneuve fans: Palmer is NOT a Hill Fan.

Post by Stephen Kenned » Thu, 30 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Doug Flere writes:

> |> >
> |> >Er, well, this is true. Frank Williams was widely quoted as saying that
> |> >letting David Coulthard go was possibly the biggest mistake he had made in
> |> >F1. This was after he had signed Villeneuve, so it can only mean that he was
> |> >referring to keeping DH over DC.
> |>
> |> OK then, lets have the quote, date and source please. I think a lot of
> |> people would be interested in reading William's *original* comments.

> Sorry, I never saw a direct quote, just statements made (e.g. Electronic
> Telegraph) that Frank Williams' decision to let Coulthard go was "regretful".
> I think this was soon after last year's Portuguese GP if that helps anyone
> find a quote.

"Regretful" (meaning, perhaps, "I have two great drivers, and it is regrettable
that I don't have room for a third") hardly equates to "the biggest mistake I
have ever made" does it??!

-Steve
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
"My vision -  one nation, one tribe, one day will come the might to move
                         any mountain" (Shamen)
 http://users.aol.com/g0lri/   http://users.aol.com/kkingboy/     G0LRI
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

 
 
 

Villeneuve fans: Palmer is NOT a Hill Fan.

Post by Bar » Thu, 30 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
Stephen Kennedy writes:


|>>
|>> Sorry, I never saw a direct quote, just statements made (e.g. Electronic
|>> Telegraph) that Frank Williams' decision to let Coulthard go was "regretful"
|>> I think this was soon after last year's Portuguese GP if that helps anyone
|>> find a quote.
|>
|> Regretful" (meaning, perhaps, "I have two great drivers, and it is
|> regrettable that I don't have room for a third") hardly equates to "the
|> biggest mistake I have ever made" does it??!

Indeed it doesn't. The "biggest mistake I have ever made" part was a statement
attributed to Frank Williams that I heard on TV, but I can't remember where!
Aaargh! Maybe it was Bob Varsha. Anyway, I heard those exact words (including
the "maybe" bit), I swear I did. Honest, guv'nor.

--
Bart   |\/\/\/|  
       |      |   ______________
       |      |  /              \
       | (o)(o)  | Don't have a |
       C      _) /   cow, man!  |
        | ,___| /_______________/
        |   /    
       /____\    
      /      \