Overtaking Statistics #11 - Silverstone

Overtaking Statistics #11 - Silverstone

Post by Brian Lawrenc » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 07:36:44


Introduction for New Readers
============================

I have posted these amateur analyses for several years now in an attempt
to allow comparisons between Grands Prix, seasons, circuits, drivers, etc.

In order to make any meaningful observations it is essential to produce
these stats in as consistent a way as possible. To do this I have made
several "rules" that I try to follow for each race. Please note before
posting to complain that I missed an obvious passing manoeuvre that it
probably has been excluded because of my "rules". The rules are outlined
in the "Disclaimer" below - please read it.

This analysis was mainly derived from the official FIA lap chart which is
usually available at www.fia.com and www.forix.com on race day or the
following day. The original chart remains copyright of the FIA. Other
excellent Formula One websites are available. This analysis is
completely unofficial.

Disclaimer
==========

For the purposes of this analysis, I only count what I usually refer to as
"genuine" passing manoeuvres, which means that I always exclude:

 a) any place changes made during pit stops
 b) lapping/unlapping manoeuvres
 c) anything during the first lap

Hopefully a) & b) are obvious, c) is because although lap one is often the
best opportunity to make up places it is also not typical of the rest of
the race, and so for the purpose of comparing races with other races and
seasons with other seasons, it is simpler to exclude lap one completely.
For the purposes of this analysis a pit stop encompasses the slowing down
lap and the out lap, since any passes during those laps MIGHT be due to
the stopper slowing down or speeding up.

Note: Passes are not counted in these stats UNLESS the gained position is
held until the start/finish line is next crossed and so gets recorded onto
the lap chart. I try to ignore anything that isn't recorded in the lap
chart, even if it was seen on TV - in this way I try to keep the numbers
as consistent as possible.

These are the passes that I read for the 2003 British GP:

Lap Place  Passer (Passed)
==================================
 3    19   Frentzen (Wilson)
 4    18   Frentzen (Firman)
 5    17   Frentzen (Verstappen)
 5    18   Firman (Verstappen)
 5    19   Wilson (Verstappen)      [team-mates]

First Safety Car period (laps 6-7)

 8    15   da Matta (Verstappen)
 9    16   Panis (Verstappen)
 9    17   Coulthard (Verstappen)
 9    18   Firman (Verstappen)
11     2   Barrichello (R?ikk?nen)

Second Safety Car period (laps 12-15)

16     4   R?ikk?nen (Trulli)
16     3   R?ikk?nen (Coulthard)    [team-mates]
16     7   Barrichello (Firman)
16    11   Montoya (Pizzonia)
16    10   Montoya (Villeneuve)
16     9   Montoya (Webber)
17     2   R?ikk?nen (Panis)
17     6   Barrichello (R Schumacher)
17     8   Montoya (Firman)
17    17   Button (Wilson)
18     7   Montoya (R Schumacher)    [team-mates]
18    18   Frentzen (Wilson)
20    15   Button (Fisichella)
23    18   R Schumacher (Verstappen)
24     9   Pizzonia (Webber)         [team-mates]
24    11   Alonso (Villeneuve)
24    13   Button (M Schumacher)
24    17   R Schumacher (Wilson)
25    12   M Schumacher (Button)
26     5   Barrichello (Trulli)
26     8   Webber (Firman)
26     9   Alonso (Firman)
27     6   Montoya (Trulli)
27    18   Pizzonia (Verstappen)
29    14   R Schumacher (Frentzen)
30     3   Barrichello (Panis)
30     4   Montoya (Panis)
30    15   Coulthard (Frentzen)
31     9   M Schumacher (Villeneuve)
32     7   M Schumacher (Firman)
32    11   R Schumacher (Fisichella)
34    10   R Schumacher (Button)
42     1   Barrichello (R?ikk?nen)
48     2   Montoya (R?ikk?nen)
48     4   M Schumacher (Trulli)
51     6   Coulthard (da Matta)
58     5   Coulthard (Trulli)
59     9   R Schumacher (Villeneuve)

That's 48 passes, compared to 47 last year (a wet race).

Most:  Montoya 8, Barrichello 6, R Schumacher 6

    Grand Prix  2003  '02  '01  '00  '99  '98  '97  Total  Avg.
===============================================================
 1. Australia     38   19   18   13   41    7    3    139  19.0
 2. Malaysia      16   27   47   31   11   --   --    116  29.0
 3. Brazil        48   30   26   22   27   13   32    197  28.1
 -  Argentina     --   --   --   --   --   11   39     50  25.0
 4. San Marino     4    6   13    7   11    8    5     54   7.7
 5. Spain         19   10   10    4    4   12   36     76  12.6
 6. Austria       20   18   17   20   30   29   21    155  22.5
 7. Monaco         0    9    6    2    5    4   29     55   7.8
 8. Canada         8   15   13   14   14   10   22     96  13.7
 9. Europe/LUX     8   27    7   28   33    6   11    120  17.1
10. France        12    3    8   17   43   17    7    107  15.3
11. Britain       48   47    7    8   13   44    7    174  24.8
12. Germany            25   15   42   16   10   14    122  20.3
13. Hungary             1    5   10    7   11   28     62  10.3
 -  Belgium       --    5    8   16   15   11   51    107  17.8
14. Italy              20   19   18   14   28    4    103  17.2
15. USA                21   21   51    -    -    -     93  31.0
16. Japan               2   17    8    4   19    9     59  11.4
---------------------------------------------------------------
    Totals       221  285  257  311  288  240  318   1919  17.9
    Race Avg.     20   17   15   18   18   15   20

Note: In 1997-98 the Luxembourg GP was held at the Nrburgring.

Note: 48 is a record for any non-wet race between 1997-2003.

Drivers' Season Total
=====================

                  AUS MAS BRA RSM ESP AUT MON CDN Eur FRA GBR
=============================================================
 23  Montoya       2   1   7   0   2   0   0   2   1   0   8
 21  Barrichello   0   2   3   1   1   1   0   2   0   6   6
 17  Coulthard     3   0   2   0   3   4   0   1   0   0   4
 17  Webber        3   2   3   0   2   4   0   1   0   1   1
 15  R?ikk?nen     4   1   7   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   3
 15  Alonso        5   0   7   0   0   0   0   0   0   1   2
 14  R Schumacher  3   1   4   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   6
 14  M Schumacher  1   4   3   0   1   1   0   0   0   0   4
 11  Panis         2   1   0   0   6   0   0   0   1   0   1
 10  Villeneuve    2   -   1   0   0   4   0   0   3   0   0
 10  Frentzen      1   0   4   0   0   0   0   0   0   1   4
  9  Firman        2   0   0   1   2   1   0   0   0   1   2
  8  Trulli        2   4   1   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   0
  8  Wilson        3   0   1   0   0   1   0   0   1   1   1
  8  Button        1   0   0   0   2   1   -   0   0   1   3
  6  da Matta      1   0   2   1   0   1   0   0   0   0   1
  6  Pizzonia      1   0   2   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   2
  5  Fisichella    2   -   1   1   0   0   0   1   0   0   0
  3  Heidfeld      0   0   0   0   0   0   0   1   2   0   0
  0  Verstappen    0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
------------------------------------------------------------
221               38  16  48   4  19  20   0   8   8  12  48

No. of Times Overtaken
======================

                  AUS MAS BRA RSM ESP AUT MON CDN Eur FRA GBR
=============================================================
 25  Verstappen    2   1   4   0   3   0   0   1   4   1   9
 24  Wilson        9   4   0   0   3   0   0   0   2   2   4
 21  Heidfeld     10   2   0   0   2   5   0   0   0   2   0
 20  Trulli        1   1   5   1   0   5   0   0   0   2   5
 14  Firman        0   2   0   0   2   1   0   1   0   2   6
 13  Fisichella    0   0   2   1   3   3   0   0   0   2   2
 13  Button        2   5   1   0   1   1   -   1   0   0   2
 12  Webber        2   1   5   0   0   0   0   1   1   0   2
 11  Villeneuve    1   0   6   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   4
 11  Frentzen      2   0   4   0   2   0   0   0   0   1   2
  9  R Schumacher  0   0   3   1   2   1   0   0   0   0   2
  8  Panis         5   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   3
  8  da Matta      0   0   5   1   0   0   0   1   0   0   1
  7  Coulthard     0   0   3   0   0   1   0   2   0   0   1
  5  Barrichello   0   0   5   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
  5  Alonso        0   0   1   0   0   3   0   1   0   0   0
  5  R?ikk?nen     0   0   1   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   3
  5  Pizzonia      3   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   1
  4  Montoya       1   0   2   0   1   0   0   0   0   0   0
  3  M Schumacher  0   0   1   0   0   0   0   0   1   0   1
------------------------------------------------------------
221               38  16  48   4  19  20   0   8   8  12  48

Gains/Losses on Lap One
=======================

Plus 5:    Button
Plus 3:    Coulthard
Plus 2:    Heidfeld, Verstappen
Plus 1:    Trulli, R?ikk?nen, Montoya, Alonso

No change: R Schumacher, M Schumacher, Pizzonia, Panis

Minus 1:   Webber, Fisichella, Firman, Wilson
Minus 2:   Barrichello, da Matta, Villeneuve
Minus 6:   Frentzen

Note: Frentzen was very slow starting and lost six places.

Gains/Losses on Lap One in 2003
===============================

Driver     Total  (AQP)  AUS MAS BRA RSM ESP AUT MON CDN Eur FRA GBR
====================================================================
Wilson       +30 (18.82)  +6  +9   0   -  +8   0  +2  +5  +1   0  -1
Heidfeld     +13 (11.91)  +4  +3   0  +2  +4  -1  +2  -3   0   0  +2
Coulthard    +13  (8.55)  +1  +2   0  +4   -  +2  -1  +2   0   0  +3
Button       +12 (11.20)  +2  +4   0  -1   0  -1   -  +1  +1  +1  +5
Verstappen   +11 (18.55)  -1  -2   0   -  +5   -  +2  +1  +1  +3  +2
Firman        +9 (17.00)  +1  +7   0   -   -  +1  +1   -  +1  -1  -1
R Schumacher  +8  (5.55)  -4  +6   0  +1  +3  +1   0   0  +1   0   0
Alonso        +8  (7.82)  +2   0   0  +2   0   0  +2   0  +1   0  +1
R?ikk?nen     +7  (7.64)  +3  +3   0  +1   -  -1  -1   -   0  +1  +1
Pizzonia       0 (13.82)  +1  -4   0   -   -  +2  -1   -  +1  +1   0
da Matta      -2 (12.00)  -4  -3   0  +1  +5  +1   0  +1   0  -1  -2
Barrichello   -2  (4.00)   0  -1   0   0   0  +1  -1   0  +1   0  -2
Montoya       -4  (4.91)  -1  -8   0   0
...

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Overtaking Statistics #11 - Silverstone

Post by plasti » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:48:43

Wow - great stats!!!

Thanks for doing all that effort!


Quote:
> Introduction for New Readers
> ============================

> I have posted these amateur analyses for several years now in an attempt
> to allow comparisons between Grands Prix, seasons, circuits, drivers, etc.

> In order to make any meaningful observations it is essential to produce
> these stats in as consistent a way as possible. To do this I have made
> several "rules" that I try to follow for each race. Please note before
> posting to complain that I missed an obvious passing manoeuvre that it
> probably has been excluded because of my "rules". The rules are outlined
> in the "Disclaimer" below - please read it.

> This analysis was mainly derived from the official FIA lap chart which is
> usually available at www.fia.com and www.forix.com on race day or the
> following day. The original chart remains copyright of the FIA. Other
> excellent Formula One websites are available. This analysis is
> completely unofficial.

> Disclaimer
> ==========

> For the purposes of this analysis, I only count what I usually refer to as
> "genuine" passing manoeuvres, which means that I always exclude:

>  a) any place changes made during pit stops
>  b) lapping/unlapping manoeuvres
>  c) anything during the first lap

> Hopefully a) & b) are obvious, c) is because although lap one is often the
> best opportunity to make up places it is also not typical of the rest of
> the race, and so for the purpose of comparing races with other races and
> seasons with other seasons, it is simpler to exclude lap one completely.
> For the purposes of this analysis a pit stop encompasses the slowing down
> lap and the out lap, since any passes during those laps MIGHT be due to
> the stopper slowing down or speeding up.

> Note: Passes are not counted in these stats UNLESS the gained position is
> held until the start/finish line is next crossed and so gets recorded onto
> the lap chart. I try to ignore anything that isn't recorded in the lap
> chart, even if it was seen on TV - in this way I try to keep the numbers
> as consistent as possible.

> These are the passes that I read for the 2003 British GP:

> Lap Place  Passer (Passed)
> ==================================
>  3    19   Frentzen (Wilson)
>  4    18   Frentzen (Firman)
>  5    17   Frentzen (Verstappen)
>  5    18   Firman (Verstappen)
>  5    19   Wilson (Verstappen)      [team-mates]

> First Safety Car period (laps 6-7)

>  8    15   da Matta (Verstappen)
>  9    16   Panis (Verstappen)
>  9    17   Coulthard (Verstappen)
>  9    18   Firman (Verstappen)
> 11     2   Barrichello (R?ikk?nen)

> Second Safety Car period (laps 12-15)

> 16     4   R?ikk?nen (Trulli)
> 16     3   R?ikk?nen (Coulthard)    [team-mates]
> 16     7   Barrichello (Firman)
> 16    11   Montoya (Pizzonia)
> 16    10   Montoya (Villeneuve)
> 16     9   Montoya (Webber)
> 17     2   R?ikk?nen (Panis)
> 17     6   Barrichello (R Schumacher)
> 17     8   Montoya (Firman)
> 17    17   Button (Wilson)
> 18     7   Montoya (R Schumacher)    [team-mates]
> 18    18   Frentzen (Wilson)
> 20    15   Button (Fisichella)
> 23    18   R Schumacher (Verstappen)
> 24     9   Pizzonia (Webber)         [team-mates]
> 24    11   Alonso (Villeneuve)
> 24    13   Button (M Schumacher)
> 24    17   R Schumacher (Wilson)
> 25    12   M Schumacher (Button)
> 26     5   Barrichello (Trulli)
> 26     8   Webber (Firman)
> 26     9   Alonso (Firman)
> 27     6   Montoya (Trulli)
> 27    18   Pizzonia (Verstappen)
> 29    14   R Schumacher (Frentzen)
> 30     3   Barrichello (Panis)
> 30     4   Montoya (Panis)
> 30    15   Coulthard (Frentzen)
> 31     9   M Schumacher (Villeneuve)
> 32     7   M Schumacher (Firman)
> 32    11   R Schumacher (Fisichella)
> 34    10   R Schumacher (Button)
> 42     1   Barrichello (R?ikk?nen)
> 48     2   Montoya (R?ikk?nen)
> 48     4   M Schumacher (Trulli)
> 51     6   Coulthard (da Matta)
> 58     5   Coulthard (Trulli)
> 59     9   R Schumacher (Villeneuve)

> That's 48 passes, compared to 47 last year (a wet race).

> Most:  Montoya 8, Barrichello 6, R Schumacher 6

>     Grand Prix  2003  '02  '01  '00  '99  '98  '97  Total  Avg.
> ===============================================================
>  1. Australia     38   19   18   13   41    7    3    139  19.0
>  2. Malaysia      16   27   47   31   11   --   --    116  29.0
>  3. Brazil        48   30   26   22   27   13   32    197  28.1
>  -  Argentina     --   --   --   --   --   11   39     50  25.0
>  4. San Marino     4    6   13    7   11    8    5     54   7.7
>  5. Spain         19   10   10    4    4   12   36     76  12.6
>  6. Austria       20   18   17   20   30   29   21    155  22.5
>  7. Monaco         0    9    6    2    5    4   29     55   7.8
>  8. Canada         8   15   13   14   14   10   22     96  13.7
>  9. Europe/LUX     8   27    7   28   33    6   11    120  17.1
> 10. France        12    3    8   17   43   17    7    107  15.3
> 11. Britain       48   47    7    8   13   44    7    174  24.8
> 12. Germany            25   15   42   16   10   14    122  20.3
> 13. Hungary             1    5   10    7   11   28     62  10.3
>  -  Belgium       --    5    8   16   15   11   51    107  17.8
> 14. Italy              20   19   18   14   28    4    103  17.2
> 15. USA                21   21   51    -    -    -     93  31.0
> 16. Japan               2   17    8    4   19    9     59  11.4
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>     Totals       221  285  257  311  288  240  318   1919  17.9
>     Race Avg.     20   17   15   18   18   15   20

> Note: In 1997-98 the Luxembourg GP was held at the Nrburgring.

> Note: 48 is a record for any non-wet race between 1997-2003.

> Drivers' Season Total
> =====================

>                   AUS MAS BRA RSM ESP AUT MON CDN Eur FRA GBR
> =============================================================
>  23  Montoya       2   1   7   0   2   0   0   2   1   0   8
>  21  Barrichello   0   2   3   1   1   1   0   2   0   6   6
>  17  Coulthard     3   0   2   0   3   4   0   1   0   0   4
>  17  Webber        3   2   3   0   2   4   0   1   0   1   1
>  15  R?ikk?nen     4   1   7   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   3
>  15  Alonso        5   0   7   0   0   0   0   0   0   1   2
>  14  R Schumacher  3   1   4   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   6
>  14  M Schumacher  1   4   3   0   1   1   0   0   0   0   4
>  11  Panis         2   1   0   0   6   0   0   0   1   0   1
>  10  Villeneuve    2   -   1   0   0   4   0   0   3   0   0
>  10  Frentzen      1   0   4   0   0   0   0   0   0   1   4
>   9  Firman        2   0   0   1   2   1   0   0   0   1   2
>   8  Trulli        2   4   1   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   0
>   8  Wilson        3   0   1   0   0   1   0   0   1   1   1
>   8  Button        1   0   0   0   2   1   -   0   0   1   3
>   6  da Matta      1   0   2   1   0   1   0   0   0   0   1
>   6  Pizzonia      1   0   2   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   2
>   5  Fisichella    2   -   1   1   0   0   0   1   0   0   0
>   3  Heidfeld      0   0   0   0   0   0   0   1   2   0   0
>   0  Verstappen    0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 221               38  16  48   4  19  20   0   8   8  12  48

> No. of Times Overtaken
> ======================

>                   AUS MAS BRA RSM ESP AUT MON CDN Eur FRA GBR
> =============================================================
>  25  Verstappen    2   1   4   0   3   0   0   1   4   1   9
>  24  Wilson        9   4   0   0   3   0   0   0   2   2   4
>  21  Heidfeld     10   2   0   0   2   5   0   0   0   2   0
>  20  Trulli        1   1   5   1   0   5   0   0   0   2   5
>  14  Firman        0   2   0   0   2   1   0   1   0   2   6
>  13  Fisichella    0   0   2   1   3   3   0   0   0   2   2
>  13  Button        2   5   1   0   1   1   -   1   0   0   2
>  12  Webber        2   1   5   0   0   0   0   1   1   0   2
>  11  Villeneuve    1   0   6   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   4
>  11  Frentzen      2   0   4   0   2   0   0   0   0   1   2
>   9  R Schumacher  0   0   3   1   2   1   0   0   0   0   2
>   8  Panis         5   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   3
>   8  da Matta      0   0   5   1   0   0   0   1   0   0   1
>   7  Coulthard     0   0   3   0   0   1   0   2   0   0   1
>   5  Barrichello   0   0   5   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
>   5  Alonso        0   0   1   0   0   3   0   1   0   0   0
>   5  R?ikk?nen     0   0   1   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   3
>   5  Pizzonia      3   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   1
>   4  Montoya       1   0   2   0   1   0   0   0   0   0   0
>   3  M Schumacher  0   0   1   0   0   0   0   0   1   0   1
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 221               38  16  48   4  19  20   0   8   8  12  48

> Gains/Losses on Lap One
> =======================

> Plus 5:    Button
> Plus 3:    Coulthard
> Plus 2:    Heidfeld, Verstappen
> Plus 1:    Trulli, R?ikk?nen, Montoya, Alonso

> No change: R Schumacher, M Schumacher, Pizzonia, Panis

> Minus 1:   Webber, Fisichella, Firman, Wilson
> Minus 2:   Barrichello, da Matta, Villeneuve
> Minus 6:   Frentzen

> Note: Frentzen was very slow starting and lost six places.

> Gains/Losses on Lap One in 2003
> ===============================

> Driver     Total  (AQP)  AUS MAS BRA RSM ESP AUT MON CDN Eur FRA GBR
> ====================================================================
> Wilson       +30 (18.82)  +6  +9   0   -  +8   0  +2  +5  +1   0  -1
> Heidfeld     +13 (11.91)  +4  +3   0  +2  +4  -1  +2  -3   0   0  +2
> Coulthard    +13  (8.55)  +1  +2   0  +4   -  +2  -1  +2   0   0  +3
> Button       +12 (11.20)  +2  +4   0  -1   0  -1   -  +1  +1  +1  +5
> Verstappen  

...

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Overtaking Statistics #11 - Silverstone

Post by Brian Lawrenc » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:17:48

Perhaps not surprisingly I did miss a pass:

Lap 20 for 10th place - Pizzonia passed Villeneuve

That makes th race total 49 - I've updated my files so next race
the numbers will be updated.

BTW - next race I'm going to be away so no stats until I get
back.

--

Brian Lawrence

Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK

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Overtaking Statistics #11 - Silverstone

Post by Paul » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:09:57



Quote:
>Wow - great stats!!!

>Thanks for doing all that effort!

So you quote the whole ***ing post to add your two lines at the top?

Top-posting clueless newbie ***wit.
--
Paul B    The irony of the Information Age is that it has given new
           respectability to uninformed opinion. - John Lawton

 
 
 

Overtaking Statistics #11 - Silverstone

Post by Doug Elliso » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:33:21

Quote:
> That's 48 passes, compared to 47 last year (a wet race).

So Allen WAS talking out his arse

Doug

 
 
 

Overtaking Statistics #11 - Silverstone

Post by ric zi » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:45:56

Quote:

> So you quote the whole ***ing post to add your two lines at the top?

> Top-posting clueless newbie ***wit.

Ahhhh, the new, non-aggressive Paul.
Peace, love and flowers, man... :)
--
ric
 
 
 

Overtaking Statistics #11 - Silverstone

Post by Kasper Kowalsk » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:58:59


Quote:


> >Wow - great stats!!!

> >Thanks for doing all that effort!

> So you quote the whole ***ing post to add your two lines at the top?

> Top-posting clueless newbie ***wit.

that's why it was on the top, so you wouldn't have to scroll thru it .... or
would bottom-posting have been better in that circumstance???

KK

 
 
 

Overtaking Statistics #11 - Silverstone

Post by peeb » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:04:08

Quote:





> > >Wow - great stats!!!

> > >Thanks for doing all that effort!

> > So you quote the whole ***ing post to add your two lines at the top?

> > Top-posting clueless newbie ***wit.

> that's why it was on the top, so you wouldn't have to scroll thru it .... or
> would bottom-posting have been better in that circumstance???

Employing the ancient art of snippage is best in that circumstance.

--
peeby

 
 
 

Overtaking Statistics #11 - Silverstone

Post by Paul » Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:15:52



Quote:





>> >Wow - great stats!!!

>> >Thanks for doing all that effort!

>> So you quote the whole ***ing post to add your two lines at the top?

>> Top-posting clueless newbie ***wit.

>that's why it was on the top, so you wouldn't have to scroll thru it .... or
>would bottom-posting have been better in that circumstance???

The whole idea of posting sensibly is to ***y *trim* the posts to
which you are replying and reply at the bottom of each particular part
of the post you are commenting on.

Is it *really* too hard for you to understand?
--
Paul B    The irony of the Information Age is that it has given new
           respectability to uninformed opinion. - John Lawton

 
 
 

Overtaking Statistics #11 - Silverstone

Post by Graham Hodgso » Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:46:02

Quote:





>>>Wow - great stats!!!

>>>Thanks for doing all that effort!

>>So you quote the whole ***ing post to add your two lines at the top?

>>Top-posting clueless newbie ***wit.

> that's why it was on the top, so you wouldn't have to scroll thru it .... or
> would bottom-posting have been better in that circumstance???

> KK

Heh, just seen this post over in alt.humour.best-of-usenet:

<quote>

Subject: Re: OT: Top-posting

Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html

 >> I also rather like
 >> OE, which happens to make bottom-posting awkward.

Posting at the top because that's where the cursor happened to be
is like shitting in your pants because that's where your ***
happened to be.

</quote>

Cheers
Graham

--
Overtaking's difficult with modern F1 cars huh?

 
 
 

Overtaking Statistics #11 - Silverstone

Post by HooDooWitc » Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:58:45

Pau<snip>

... but don't snip too much. ;)

HooDooWitch

One taste of the bait is
worth the pain of the hook

 
 
 

Overtaking Statistics #11 - Silverstone

Post by HooDooWitc » Wed, 23 Jul 2003 02:03:18


Quote:
>Heh, just seen this post over in alt.humour.best-of-usenet:

><quote>

>Subject: Re: OT: Top-posting

>Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html


> >> I also rather like
> >> OE, which happens to make bottom-posting awkward.

>Posting at the top because that's where the cursor happened to be
>is like shitting in your pants because that's where your ***
>happened to be.

></quote>

ROFL.

I liked this one I saw recently from uk.rec.motorcycles FAQ.

from http://SportToday.org/

=================================
3. On the "bottom posting" request
Ahem! Oh FFS! Look some countries have a convention - backed up by
laws of a greater or lesser stringency - of driving on the left.
Others, with equally persuasive reason, validity and legislative
support, drive on the right.
It takes a highly developed sense of porridge-brained idiocy to insist
on driving on the left where everybody else is driving [and riding and
guiding their mules] on the right.
<snip>
To pursue the analogy, you will also have to accept that if you insist
on being the only person 'driving on the other side of the road' on
ukrm, all the other 'road users' are going to get terminally pissed
off with you.
They will tend to shout rude words at you, flash their lights at you,
flourish *** gestures and may even - in extremis - snap your
mirrors off.
<snip>
=================================

HooDooWitch

One taste of the bait is
worth the pain of the hook

 
 
 

Overtaking Statistics #11 - Silverstone

Post by Kasper Kowalsk » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:48:05


Quote:
> >> >Wow - great stats!!!

> >> >Thanks for doing all that effort!

> >> So you quote the whole ***ing post to add your two lines at the top?

> >> Top-posting clueless newbie ***wit.

> >that's why it was on the top, so you wouldn't have to scroll thru it ....
or
> >would bottom-posting have been better in that circumstance???

> The whole idea of posting sensibly is to ***y *trim* the posts to
> which you are replying and reply at the bottom of each particular part
> of the post you are commenting on.

of course... few do. top-posting IMO is a lesser evil than not t***
posts down - especially when the quoted message is already ump*** pages
long.

Quote:
> Is it *really* too hard for you to understand?

take a chill pill... posting etiquette is a triviality. getting worked up
over it is a waste of your time and energy.

KK