F1 Trivia: 10 wins - answers (Hill/Schu fans read this)

F1 Trivia: 10 wins - answers (Hill/Schu fans read this)

Post by Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,26554 » Thu, 20 Apr 1995 04:00:00


In a recent post Ross Taylor (me) asked several questions relating to
the group of drivers that has 10 or more wins.

I got only one attempt to answer the 6 questions (P. Good got 3 right
so is the winner). I used to be inundated with attempts to
answer my F1 trivia questions. What does this mean? Are you fed up
with F1 trivia contests? (I haven't posted one in over a year as far
as I can recall.) Doesn't anyone know any of the answers? Is anyone
reading this stuff? I don't claim to know but here are the answers.

The data is presented first, followed by the answers to the
trivia questions and then some commentary. Hill and Schu fans
should find something of interest here.

Stats are after race 2 of 1995.

    In order of wins
                            Races     Wins    Win%      Top6    Top6%
    Prost, Alain             199       51     25.6      128     64.3
    Senna, Ayrton            161       41     25.5       96     59.6
    Mansell, Nigel           185       31     16.8       82     44.3
    Stewart, Jackie           99       27     27.3       57     57.6
    Clark, Jim                72       25     34.7       40     55.6
    Lauda, Nicki             170       25     14.7       73     42.9
    Fangio, Juan Manuel       51       24     47.1       41     80.4
    Piquet, Nelson           202       23     11.4      100     49.5
    Moss, Stirling            66       16     24.2       30     45.5
    Brabham, Jack            126       14     11.1       56     44.4
    Hill, Graham             176       14      8.0       59     33.5
    Fittipaldi, Emerson      144       14      9.7       57     39.6
    Ascari, Alberto           31       13     41.9       20     64.5
    Reutemann, Carlos        146       12      8.2       66     45.2
    Jones, Alan              116       12     10.3       39     33.6
    Andretti, Mario          128       12      9.4       38     29.7
    Schumacher, Michael       54       11     20.4       35     64.8
    Scheckter, Jody          109       10      9.2       53     48.6
    Hunt, James               92       10     10.9       35     38.0
    Peterson, Ronnie         123       10      8.1       42     34.1
    Hill, Damon               36       10     27.8       24     66.7

    In order of win %

    Fangio, Juan Manuel       51       24     47.1       41     80.4
    Ascari, Alberto           31       13     41.9       20     64.5
    Clark, Jim                72       25     34.7       40     55.6
    Hill, Damon               36       10     27.8       24     66.7
    Stewart, Jackie           99       27     27.3       57     57.6
    Prost, Alain             199       51     25.6      128     64.3
    Senna, Ayrton            161       41     25.5       96     59.6
    Moss, Stirling            66       16     24.2       30     45.5
    Schumacher, Michael       54       11     20.4       35     64.8
    Mansell, Nigel           185       31     16.8       82     44.3
    Lauda, Nicki             170       25     14.7       73     42.9
    Piquet, Nelson           202       23     11.4      100     49.5
    Brabham, Jack            126       14     11.1       56     44.4
    Hunt, James               92       10     10.9       35     38.0
    Jones, Alan              116       12     10.3       39     33.6
    Fittipaldi, Emerson      144       14      9.7       57     39.6
    Andretti, Mario          128       12      9.4       38     29.7
    Scheckter, Jody          109       10      9.2       53     48.6
    Reutemann, Carlos        146       12      8.2       66     45.2
    Peterson, Ronnie         123       10      8.1       42     34.1
    Hill, Graham             176       14      8.0       59     33.5

    In order of top 6

    Prost, Alain             199       51     25.6      128     64.3
    Piquet, Nelson           202       23     11.4      100     49.5
    Senna, Ayrton            161       41     25.5       96     59.6
    Mansell, Nigel           185       31     16.8       82     44.3
    Lauda, Nicki             170       25     14.7       73     42.9
    Reutemann, Carlos        146       12      8.2       66     45.2
    Hill, Graham             176       14      8.0       59     33.5
    Fittipaldi, Emerson      144       14      9.7       57     39.6
    Stewart, Jackie           99       27     27.3       57     57.6
    Brabham, Jack            126       14     11.1       56     44.4
    Scheckter, Jody          109       10      9.2       53     48.6
    Peterson, Ronnie         123       10      8.1       42     34.1
    Fangio, Juan Manuel       51       24     47.1       41     80.4
    Clark, Jim                72       25     34.7       40     55.6
    Jones, Alan              116       12     10.3       39     33.6
    Andretti, Mario          128       12      9.4       38     29.7
    Hunt, James               92       10     10.9       35     38.0
    Schumacher, Michael       54       11     20.4       35     64.8
    Moss, Stirling            66       16     24.2       30     45.5
    Hill, Damon               36       10     27.8       24     66.7
    Ascari, Alberto           31       13     41.9       20     64.5

    In order of top 6 %

****NOTE who is in second and third place.

    Fangio, Juan Manuel       51       24     47.1       41     80.4
    Hill, Damon               36       10     27.8       24     66.7
    Schumacher, Michael       54       11     20.4       35     64.8
    Ascari, Alberto           31       13     41.9       20     64.5
    Prost, Alain             199       51     25.6      128     64.3
    Senna, Ayrton            161       41     25.5       96     59.6
    Stewart, Jackie           99       27     27.3       57     57.6
    Clark, Jim                72       25     34.7       40     55.6
    Piquet, Nelson           202       23     11.4      100     49.5
    Scheckter, Jody          109       10      9.2       53     48.6
    Moss, Stirling            66       16     24.2       30     45.5
    Reutemann, Carlos        146       12      8.2       66     45.2
    Brabham, Jack            126       14     11.1       56     44.4
    Mansell, Nigel           185       31     16.8       82     44.3
    Lauda, Nicki             170       25     14.7       73     42.9
    Fittipaldi, Emerson      144       14      9.7       57     39.6
    Hunt, James               92       10     10.9       35     38.0
    Peterson, Ronnie         123       10      8.1       42     34.1
    Jones, Alan              116       12     10.3       39     33.6
    Hill, Graham             176       14      8.0       59     33.5
    Andretti, Mario          128       12      9.4       38     29.7

Now we can answer the trivia questions.

1. Who has the most top 6 finishes ?

   Prost (128)

2. Who has the second most top 6 finishes ?

   Piquet (100)

3. Who has the second best top 6 % ?

   Damon Hill (as it stands after race 2 of 1995)

4. Who has the third best top 6 % ?

   M. Schumacher (after race 2 of 1995)

5. Who has the lowest winning % ?

   Graham Hill

6. Who will be the next member of the 10 win club ?

   G. Berger unless someone comes from nowhere (best bet for a
   dark horse as next to 10 is Dave Coulthard as long he keeps
   driving for Frank).

Commentary

Hill detractors continue to point to a perceived (by them) lack of
talent compared to [insert your favorite driver here]. Such arguments
entertain (if that is the right word) those who read r.a.s.f1 but
lack substance.

Frank Williams could have any driver he wants (with the possible
exception of Mike S.). If he really thinks that Hill is a useless
clod (as some on the net would have us believe) then why would he
even enter in contract negotiations with Hill?

Whether or not you like or loath D. Hill or M. Schumacher, you
should not deny the FACTS that both of them have been spectacularly
succesful. If I were an F1 team manager there is no doubt who
I would want as my drivers; both of them are the money men of their
time. They bring the car home in the points and they win often
enough to be champions (time will tell if Damon can win the title).

Not all of these statistics are meaningful. For example, G. Hill
drove many races in uncompetitive cars for his own team. There
is, in my view, some justification for excluding those races
from his record (which I did not do). Emerson F. did the same
(OK, it was Wilson's team). Jones retired at the top but
came back to drive a no-hope Lola.

Senna, Clark, and Petersen died driving for top teams. They never
had the chance to ruin their stats by driving for some team that would
pay them to race. Stewart retired at the very top.

Mansell didn't win any of his first 77 races. Not counting those,
his winning % goes up a lot!. There is some justification
for dropping 64 of them, it took Nigel an unusually long time to get
into a team where he could win. Most champions don't take nearly as
long to get into race winning situations. Part of the explanation
for this is probably the fact that there were a very large
number of champion or otherwise exceptional drivers around in the
early 1980s (Lauda, Prost, Piquet, Jones, Villeneuve, Reutemann, Pironi,
Rosberg) and there are rarely more than 2 or 3 teams each year that
contend for the honors. There are only 2 champions active this year (and
one of them has yet to race) and only 2 (possibly 3) competitive teams.

Mansell detractors should note that he compares quite well against Rosberg
when they were on the same team and very well against Piquet when they
were teamed together. He did well at Ferrari but less well in comparison
to Prost but that is nothing to be ashamed of. Rosberg could not come
to terms with Prost either. Lauda found a way to take a championship
from Prost but he too was outclassed in some ways. To be fair, this came
at the twilight of Lauda's career. Only Senna could live with Prost in
the same team.

Fangio's 10th win came in his 28th ...

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F1 Trivia: 10 wins - answers (Hill/Schu fans read this)

Post by Jim Dinc » Fri, 21 Apr 1995 04:00:00

    An excelent analysys of the modern drivers, I vote we accept it as
written and stop all the inane childish bickering regarding who is better
than whom.
   As Littlt Faus said ' It ain't where ya been Halsey, It's how ya did'