"Radical", "Innovative" Ferrari?

"Radical", "Innovative" Ferrari?

Post by ric zi » Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:06:10


How, exactly?

There's been a lot of guff written about this car. In what way is the
Ferrari any more innovative or radical than any of the other
stepped-nose cars? OK, there's the shallow-angle pullrod front
suspension, which is unique in the 2012 field, but not new per se.

Where else is the Ferrari innovative, apart from having the most
simplistic, unresolved, and ugly "step"? The Lotus, FI and STR chassis
appear more innovative to my eyes.

...and why are Ferrari having so many issues getting a lap time out of
it? Grrr...<frustrated>
--
ric zito

 
 
 

"Radical", "Innovative" Ferrari?

Post by Sir Ti » Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:37:07

Quote:

> How, exactly?

> There's been a lot of guff written about this car. In what way is the
> Ferrari any more innovative or radical than any of the other
> stepped-nose cars? OK, there's the shallow-angle pullrod front
> suspension, which is unique in the 2012 field, but not new per se.

> Where else is the Ferrari innovative, apart from having the most
> simplistic, unresolved, and ugly "step"? The Lotus, FI and STR chassis
> appear more innovative to my eyes.

> ...and why are Ferrari having so many issues getting a lap time out of
> it? Grrr...<frustrated>

Must say I had the same thought, Ric.
I suspect that, because Ferrari is still easily the best known team in F1
and the car looks quite a bit different from last year's, journalists pick
up on this and call it "radical". It may well be innovative but, given the
secrecy surrounding new designs I doubt whether most journos have any more
insight than we do.

--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

 
 
 

"Radical", "Innovative" Ferrari?

Post by AC » Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:58:09

Quote:


>> How, exactly?

>> There's been a lot of guff written about this car. In what way is the
>> Ferrari any more innovative or radical than any of the other
>> stepped-nose cars? OK, there's the shallow-angle pullrod front
>> suspension, which is unique in the 2012 field, but not new per se.

>> Where else is the Ferrari innovative, apart from having the most
>> simplistic, unresolved, and ugly "step"? The Lotus, FI and STR chassis
>> appear more innovative to my eyes.

>> ...and why are Ferrari having so many issues getting a lap time out of
>> it? Grrr...<frustrated>

> Must say I had the same thought, Ric.
> I suspect that, because Ferrari is still easily the best known team in F1
> and the car looks quite a bit different from last year's, journalists pick
> up on this and call it "radical". It may well be innovative but, given the
> secrecy surrounding new designs I doubt whether most journos have any more
> insight than we do.

Well, that's 3 of us. My thought is a bit harsher, I put it down to
kissing arse. And hope. Most do seem to be Ferrari fans.

Thing is, as you hint at, these journos have said nothing that suggests
"innovative" or "radical". They are just heaping praise on the car. I
wonder if it was the first car many of them saw with the nose step in
the flesh as it were?

--
AC

 
 
 

"Radical", "Innovative" Ferrari?

Post by EB5AG » Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:56:28


Quote:
> How, exactly?

> There's been a lot of guff written about this car. In what way is the
> Ferrari any more innovative or radical than any of the other
> stepped-nose cars? OK, there's the shallow-angle pullrod front
> suspension, which is unique in the 2012 field, but not new per se.

> Where else is the Ferrari innovative, apart from having the most
> simplistic, unresolved, and ugly "step"? The Lotus, FI and STR chassis
> appear more innovative to my eyes.

> ...and why are Ferrari having so many issues getting a lap time out of
> it? Grrr...<frustrated>
> --
> ric zito

It seems today they are not doing that bad... yes, car nose is ugly.
But if is is fast, I won't worry about it ;-)

Regards,

JOSE

 
 
 

"Radical", "Innovative" Ferrari?

Post by Mark » Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:22:35

Quote:


>> How, exactly?

>> There's been a lot of guff written about this car. In what way is the
>> Ferrari any more innovative or radical than any of the other
>> stepped-nose cars? OK, there's the shallow-angle pullrod front
>> suspension, which is unique in the 2012 field, but not new per se.

>> Where else is the Ferrari innovative, apart from having the most
>> simplistic, unresolved, and ugly "step"? The Lotus, FI and STR chassis
>> appear more innovative to my eyes.

>> ...and why are Ferrari having so many issues getting a lap time out of
>> it? Grrr...<frustrated>

> It seems today they are not doing that bad... yes, car nose is ugly.
> But if is is fast, I won't worry about it ;-)

Yes, but if it's not...?

Ferrari have started the last three years saying "this is the year".
Last year, it was all about the anniversary, and they positively *had*
to win.  And then the racing started.

I really want to see a competitive season this year, and that means at
least three or four teams being ready at race 1.  Ferrari need to get
off the blocks faster this year.  For the past few years, the most
innovation I've seen from them is in terms of excuses.

They have the drivers*, they're just a few percent off with the cars.

* Well, one out of two isn't bad. ;-)

 
 
 

"Radical", "Innovative" Ferrari?

Post by AC » Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:29:26

Quote:



>>> How, exactly?

>>> There's been a lot of guff written about this car. In what way is the
>>> Ferrari any more innovative or radical than any of the other
>>> stepped-nose cars? OK, there's the shallow-angle pullrod front
>>> suspension, which is unique in the 2012 field, but not new per se.

>>> Where else is the Ferrari innovative, apart from having the most
>>> simplistic, unresolved, and ugly "step"? The Lotus, FI and STR chassis
>>> appear more innovative to my eyes.

>>> ...and why are Ferrari having so many issues getting a lap time out of
>>> it? Grrr...<frustrated>

>> It seems today they are not doing that bad... yes, car nose is ugly.
>> But if is is fast, I won't worry about it ;-)

> Yes, but if it's not...?

> Ferrari have started the last three years saying "this is the year".
> Last year, it was all about the anniversary, and they positively *had*
> to win.  And then the racing started.

Is Ferrari the new DC?

Quote:

> I really want to see a competitive season this year, and that means at
> least three or four teams being ready at race 1.

Absolutely. I don't care which teams either.

If we must have "***" again, I would prefer not to be Red Bull. If
its Ferrari, then great.

Quote:
> Ferrari need to get
> off the blocks faster this year.  For the past few years, the most
> innovation I've seen from them is in terms of excuses.

Hmmm. Seems like that.

Quote:

> They have the drivers*, they're just a few percent off with the cars.

> * Well, one out of two isn't bad. ;-)

Ah, not fair. Massa is not going to beat Alonso, but he is going to be
close enough to pick up most of the secondary point for the team.

--
AC

 
 
 

"Radical", "Innovative" Ferrari?

Post by Bobste » Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:41:54


Quote:
> Where else is the Ferrari innovative, apart from having the most
> simplistic, unresolved, and ugly "step"? The Lotus, FI and STR chassis
> appear more innovative to my eyes.

Wasn't there talk from Ferrari about how they'd pushed the envelope
etc? Must be in something under the skin - if it's there.
 
 
 

"Radical", "Innovative" Ferrari?

Post by Sir Ti » Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:00:10



Quote:

>> Where else is the Ferrari innovative, apart from having the most
>> simplistic, unresolved, and ugly "step"? The Lotus, FI and STR chassis
>> appear more innovative to my eyes.
>Wasn't there talk from Ferrari about how they'd pushed the envelope
>etc? Must be in something under the skin - if it's there.

OTOH McLaren suggested that there would be a barrage of protests as
soon as other teams saw their car but that doesn't seem to have
happened. I don't think we should put too much credence on what teams
*say*.
--
Henry Birkin, Bt.
 
 
 

"Radical", "Innovative" Ferrari?

Post by Sir Ti » Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:12:49

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:56:28 -0800 (PST), EB5AGV

Quote:


>> How, exactly?

>> There's been a lot of guff written about this car. In what way is the
>> Ferrari any more innovative or radical than any of the other
>> stepped-nose cars? OK, there's the shallow-angle pullrod front
>> suspension, which is unique in the 2012 field, but not new per se.

>> Where else is the Ferrari innovative, apart from having the most
>> simplistic, unresolved, and ugly "step"? The Lotus, FI and STR chassis
>> appear more innovative to my eyes.

>> ...and why are Ferrari having so many issues getting a lap time out of
>> it? Grrr...<frustrated>
>> --
>> ric zito

>It seems today they are not doing that bad... yes, car nose is ugly.
>But if is is fast, I won't worry about it ;-)

Sure.

Pat Fry seemed a bit downbeat about the car yesterday but that could
just be a smokescreen. The times today certainly seem okay.

OTOH, with a large Spanish crowd, Ferrari and Alonso must feel
pressure to go for a quick lap whereas the other teams are perhaps
concentrating more on their scheduled development programmes.

Like the man said, it's only testing and we have to wait for Melbourne
to form a proper judgment. It would certainly be nice to see Ferrari
competing right at the top again.
--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

 
 
 

"Radical", "Innovative" Ferrari?

Post by Mark » Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:15:28

Quote:


>> They have the drivers*, they're just a few percent off with the cars.

>> * Well, one out of two isn't bad. ;-)

> Ah, not fair. Massa is not going to beat Alonso, but he is going to be
> close enough to pick up most of the secondary point for the team.

It was a very unfair dig, but last year was painful to watch.  I like
Massa (when he's not whining), but he needs to pick up his performance.
 
 
 

"Radical", "Innovative" Ferrari?

Post by Koolchi.. » Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:32:32


Quote:


> >> They have the drivers*, they're just a few percent off with the cars.

> >> * Well, one out of two isn't bad. ;-)

> > Ah, not fair. Massa is not going to beat Alonso, but he is going to be
> > close enough to pick up most of the secondary point for the team.

> It was a very unfair dig, but last year was painful to watch. ?I like
> Massa (when he's not whining), but he needs to pick up his performance.

The only thing Massa needs to do is retire so that they can get KK in
that car. Now that would be exciting.
 
 
 

"Radical", "Innovative" Ferrari?

Post by Bigbir » Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:25:29

Quote:




> >> Where else is the Ferrari innovative, apart from having the most
> >> simplistic, unresolved, and ugly "step"? The Lotus, FI and STR
> chassis >> appear more innovative to my eyes.
> > Wasn't there talk from Ferrari about how they'd pushed the envelope
> > etc? Must be in something under the skin - if it's there.

> OTOH McLaren suggested that there would be a barrage of protests as
> soon as other teams saw their car but that doesn't seem to have
> happened. I don't think we should put too much credence on what teams
> say.

If you are going to protest a car doing so at the start of testing is
not necessarily the best strategy.

--
Bigbird
#
You'll be laughing when I'm dead!

 
 
 

"Radical", "Innovative" Ferrari?

Post by buil » Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:37:30


Quote:




> > >> Where else is the Ferrari innovative, apart from having the most
> > >> simplistic, unresolved, and ugly "step"? The Lotus, FI and STR
> > chassis >> appear more innovative to my eyes.
> > > Wasn't there talk from Ferrari about how they'd pushed the envelope
> > > etc? Must be in something under the skin - if it's there.

> > OTOH McLaren suggested that there would be a barrage of protests as
> > soon as other teams saw their car but that doesn't seem to have
> > happened. I don't think we should put too much credence on what teams
> > say.

> If you are going to protest a car doing so at the start of testing is
> not necessarily the best strategy.

> --
> Bigbird
> #
> You'll be laughing when I'm dead!

IMHO you are right. They can only protest at a race.

beers,

 
 
 

"Radical", "Innovative" Ferrari?

Post by larki » Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:46:49


Quote:





> > > >> Where else is the Ferrari innovative, apart from having the most
> > > >> simplistic, unresolved, and ugly "step"? The Lotus, FI and STR
> > > chassis >> appear more innovative to my eyes.
> > > > Wasn't there talk from Ferrari about how they'd pushed the envelope
> > > > etc? Must be in something under the skin - if it's there.

> > > OTOH McLaren suggested that there would be a barrage of protests as
> > > soon as other teams saw their car but that doesn't seem to have
> > > happened. I don't think we should put too much credence on what teams
> > > say.

> > If you are going to protest a car doing so at the start of testing is
> > not necessarily the best strategy.

> > --
> > Bigbird
> > #
> > You'll be laughing when I'm dead!

> IMHO you are right. They can only protest at a race.

> beers,

Wouldn't it be hilarious if an F1 team "tested" a jet powered car, or
a six-wheeler, or something else utterly "illegal" at one of the pre-
season tests!  (Well, mildly amusing, but absolutely unlikely anyway!)

Matt

 
 
 

"Radical", "Innovative" Ferrari?

Post by Bobste » Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:55:33


Quote:
> OTOH McLaren suggested that there would be a barrage of protests as
> soon as other teams saw their car but that doesn't seem to have
> happened. I don't think we should put too much credence on what teams
> *say*.

The cars at the tests don't even have to be legal, so there's no point
in protesting anything now. But they can be sharpening their pencils,
or sending Charlie emails saying "just hypothetically what if we had a
piece that goes HERE and does THIS????". Which isn't a protest but
might result in a "clarification" being issued.