new sidepods for Ferrari at Hungary!!

new sidepods for Ferrari at Hungary!!

Post by Sean » Wed, 12 Aug 1998 04:00:00


the Hungarian GP will see Farrari use a new spec engine that has
800hp. To encourage cooling,  the sidepods will have front and side
intakes.  Plus,  there will be a new front wing for the team at
Hungary.

apparently Shumi has been working 12 hour days for the last week to
get the car right!!

FORZA

 
 
 

new sidepods for Ferrari at Hungary!!

Post by Tim » Wed, 12 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Why do Ferrari not mention anything on there web site about what they
are testing...

They frequently say chassis so and so, weather conditions, laps
completed, best times...

Nothing about new wings, side pods, engine mods etc

Is this deliberate?

Does anyone know where an english version of the daily Ferrari report
from the Gazzetta De La Sport is on the web...?

Apparently, there is an article in everyday in italy for the Ferrari
supporters...explaining what they are testing etc...

Quote:

>the Hungarian GP will see Farrari use a new spec engine that has
>800hp. To encourage cooling,  the sidepods will have front and side
>intakes.  Plus,  there will be a new front wing for the team at
>Hungary.

>apparently Shumi has been working 12 hour days for the last week to
>get the car right!!

>FORZA

Tim Simpson (UK)
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new sidepods for Ferrari at Hungary!!

Post by zbip » Wed, 12 Aug 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>the Hungarian GP will see Farrari use a new spec engine that has
>800hp. To encourage cooling,  the sidepods will have front and side
>intakes.  Plus,  there will be a new front wing for the team at
>Hungary.

<SNIP>

Hey, Sean!  Where did you hear this?  I've checked a few places without
finding even the faintest shadow of an allusion (damn, my English is
terrible - sorry) to this 800 hp mythical marvel...  Are you sure?

 
 
 

new sidepods for Ferrari at Hungary!!

Post by zbip » Wed, 12 Aug 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>the Hungarian GP will see Farrari use a new spec engine that has
>800hp. To encourage cooling,  the sidepods will have front and side
>intakes.  Plus,  there will be a new front wing for the team at
>Hungary.

<SNIP>

Hey, Sean!  Where did you hear this?  I've checked a few places without
finding even the faintest shadow of an allusion (damn, my English is
terrible - sorry) to this 800 hp mythical marvel...  Are you sure?

 
 
 

new sidepods for Ferrari at Hungary!!

Post by Sean » Thu, 13 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


>>the Hungarian GP will see Farrari use a new spec engine that has
>>800hp. To encourage cooling,  the sidepods will have front and side
>>intakes.  Plus,  there will be a new front wing for the team at
>>Hungary.

><SNIP>

>Hey, Sean!  Where did you hear this?  I've checked a few places without
>finding even the faintest shadow of an allusion (damn, my English is
>terrible - sorry) to this 800 hp mythical marvel...  Are you sure?

Hey man,

on the Michael Schumacher website, it's the best place for Shumi
news!!

 
 
 

new sidepods for Ferrari at Hungary!!

Post by Mr. Hot Pant » Thu, 13 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


> >the Hungarian GP will see Farrari use a new spec engine that has
> >800hp. To encourage cooling,  the sidepods will have front and side
> >intakes.  Plus,  there will be a new front wing for the team at
> >Hungary.

> According to GdS `all' that Ferrari have done to the engine (047d) is
> increase the rev limit: At Hockenheim they had 17300 rpm giving 770 hp;
> for qualification in Hungary, they may run at 17600 rpm giving 800 hp;
> the boffins `guarantee' that the engine will hold up for an entire race
> at 17400 rpm giving 780 hp.

> Schumacher denies having tested the `improved' engine while Ferrari confirms
> that he has tested it...

> GdS reckons that 30 hp is worth 6/10 s around the Hungaroring.

> Ferrari have been bench testing a two cylinder 500 cc engine which GdS
> has extrapolated to being a precursor to a future V12 (Schumacher was
> always enthusiastic about the 12 potter)...

WOO-HOO!  The return of the V12!
FORZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr. Hot Pants

"I find your lack of pants disturbing"

 
 
 

new sidepods for Ferrari at Hungary!!

Post by Andrea Cocchigli » Fri, 14 Aug 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>the Hungarian GP will see Farrari use a new spec engine that has
>800hp. To encourage cooling,  the sidepods will have front and side
>intakes.  Plus,  there will be a new front wing for the team at
>Hungary.

According to GdS `all' that Ferrari have done to the engine (047d) is
increase the rev limit: At Hockenheim they had 17300 rpm giving 770 hp;
for qualification in Hungary, they may run at 17600 rpm giving 800 hp;
the boffins `guarantee' that the engine will hold up for an entire race
at 17400 rpm giving 780 hp.

Schumacher denies having tested the `improved' engine while Ferrari confirms
that he has tested it...

GdS reckons that 30 hp is worth 6/10 s around the Hungaroring.

Ferrari have been bench testing a two cylinder 500 cc engine which GdS
has extrapolated to being a precursor to a future V12 (Schumacher was
always enthusiastic about the 12 potter)...

Andrea Cocchiglia        
School of Comp. Sci. & Soft. Eng., Monash University, Melbourne, Australia

 
 
 

new sidepods for Ferrari at Hungary!!

Post by Barry Posne » Fri, 14 Aug 1998 04:00:00

: According to GdS `all' that Ferrari have done to the engine (047d) is
: increase the rev limit: At Hockenheim they had 17300 rpm giving 770 hp;
: for qualification in Hungary, they may run at 17600 rpm giving 800 hp;

Can you explain to me how a 1.7% increase in the rpm can yield a 3.8%
increase in HP? Especially given that internal friction increases
exponentially with speed, and the torque per cycle decreasaes with
increasing rpm at this speed, due to breathing limitations?

bp/ed/ab/ca/eh?

 
 
 

new sidepods for Ferrari at Hungary!!

Post by Tuomo O. Vuolteenah » Fri, 14 Aug 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
> Ferrari have been bench testing a two cylinder 500 cc engine which GdS
> has extrapolated to being a precursor to a future V12 (Schumacher was
> always enthusiastic about the 12 potter)...

Not true, I believe. An important point in early '95 contract negotiations
was the V10 engine. Schumacher demanded a new V10 instead of V12 as
precondition. Similarly, when Schumacher had the escape in his '95
Benetton contract due to the Verstappen pit fire, he demanded
Benetton to drop Ford V8 and get Renault V10 instead. So, if anything,
Schumacher has been favoring V10s.
                                                                Tuomo
 
 
 

new sidepods for Ferrari at Hungary!!

Post by Andrea Cocchigli » Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:00:00


: Schumacher demanded a new V10 instead of V12 as precondition.
...
: So, if anything, Schumacher has been favoring V10s.

I'm not sure about the `preconditional' aspect but a change from
V12 to V10 was certainly reasonable for `drivability' reasons. As I
recall, Schumacher tested both engines and while he felt that
the V10 provided the better overall package he was quite impressed by
the V12's power. The article was not implying that Schumacher wanted
to keep the V12 but rather that he was appreciative of some of its
characteristics. Ferrari engineers have been unable to reduce the weight
of their V10 to below the `target' 100 kg mark and advances in materials
engineering have been such that the weight penalty for a V12 is no
longer as important a factor as it used be. One other advantage of the V12
is that its vibrations are considered easier to damp out than a V10 (I'm
not sure whether this is a `real' issue or just a matter of experience).
La Gazzetta continues to speculate about the return of a 12 in 2000 or 2001.

Can you explain to me how a 1.7% increase in the rpm can yield a 3.8%
increase in HP?
No I can't, perhaps I should have pointed out the suspicious linearity
myself, but most folks round here know that any engine info is to be taken
with a grain or twenty of salt. The point is that they can get lots more
power for qualifying and a little more power for the race. To be fair to
La Gazzetta, they did point out that Schumacher and Ferrari were giving
opposite stories about whether a revised engine had been tested or not,
reading between the lines: "we don't 'ava cluea whether thees ees real
or nota but il capo willa go gorilla if he seea blanka pagea".


: WOO-HOO!  The return of the V12!
: FORZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep your pants on: it is only a rumour that stems from the fact that a
500 cc V2 is a 3 l V12 divided by six. You never know, Ferrari might be
quitting F1 and going into bikes instead :-)

Andrea Cocchiglia        
School of Comp. Sci. & Soft. Eng., Monash University, Melbourne, Australia

 
 
 

new sidepods for Ferrari at Hungary!!

Post by Ryan John Cousine » Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


>: WOO-HOO!  The return of the V12!
>: FORZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Keep your pants on: it is only a rumour that stems from the fact that a
>500 cc V2 is a 3 l V12 divided by six. You never know, Ferrari might be
>quitting F1 and going into bikes instead :-)

Ferrari was implicated in the development of the MV Agusta (nee Cagiva)
750cc 4 which was just released.

Indeed, though, a 500cc twin is interesting, but given the quality of
leaked information during the silly season, anyone wanna bet that this
could just as well be a 600cc engine, or for that matter a 750cc twin?
Those would suggest V10s and 8s, and you wouldn't be able to see an
external difference, most likely.

Also, I doubt Ferrari is going to build any two-strokes soon.
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