Winning a 'no win' situation.

Winning a 'no win' situation.

Post by Mike Stron » Sat, 01 Jun 1996 04:00:00


When David Coulthard joined McLaren its true to say he was in a 'no win' situation.

If he was blown away by Hakkinen people would say he was no good (I was going to say
crap, but being a considerate person I would not use language like that!)

Similarly, if he blew Hakkinen away people would say Hakkinen was still suffering from
his Adelaide crash.

With the situation as it presently stands it is true to say that he has won. I don't
mean he is better than Hakkinen; they are equal in talent (who would have said that at
the start of the season!). He was down, but has clawed, nae, strode forward.

With so many drivers, a bad start to a season, in comparison to their team mate, seems
irreversible. Herbert at Benneton, Patrese at Benneton, Verstappen at Benneton (can you
see a trend there?) Katayama at Tyrrell being examples. There are probably others but
you try thinking of them after drinking the amount of vodka I have (Russian reader need
not apply!)

This seems to show a mental toughness in Davey boy that is a rare thing in this feather
cushioned world of F1. Don't say a bad word about most F1 drivers, they'll be in the
trailer crying for a week!

As for the rest of the season? I reckon that Hakkinen and Davey boy will trade times and
be a good spur for each other. The strongest pairing in F1?. I think so. Excluding
Minardi of course :)

At the start of the year, commentators wanted to see how David compared with Mika. Most
reckoned that he would be slower (considerably so). What now? The comparison with David
and Mika will then be compared with David and Damon at Williams. Not fair. Damon had two
years in F1. When David was settled, he was faster. Pole at Argentina which neither
Damon and David had driven at. Pole at Aida, which David had not driven at.
David is a fast learner, faster than Jacques seems to be. Jacques is good but in F1
terms not as good at David seem to be. The reputation cannot help though.

I fear however that no matter how good David and Mika are, McLaren will not supply a car
that will do their talent justice. McLaren need a shake up in personnell.

It seems that a listing of some sort is needed in these postings.

I'll give you mine. The listing below is based, not on outright 'raw' speed which is
fine for 'arrive and drive' racing, but in F1 driving. That means speed and setting up
skills (remember that Hakkinen and Alesi fans!)

1. Schumacher
2. Coulthard
3. Hill
4. All the other F1 drivers. Sorry but no one else stands out.

I apologise for this rather long and rambling posting. I'll try drinking less before
posting next time.

Enjoy!

Mike Strong
President of the Mike Strong F1 opinions club.
The above views are definately a reflection of my employer.
i.e. Me!

 
 
 

Winning a 'no win' situation.

Post by Niko I J Halon » Sun, 02 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>When David Coulthard joined McLaren its true to say he was in a 'no win' situation.
>If he was blown away by Hakkinen people would say he was no good (I was going to say
>crap, but being a considerate person I would not use language like that!)

Why would people have said that?

Quote:
>Similarly, if he blew Hakkinen away people would say Hakkinen was still suffering from
>his Adelaide crash.

And that would have been very close to truth.

Quote:
>With the situation as it presently stands it is true to say that he has won. I don't
>mean he is better than Hakkinen; they are equal in talent (who would have said that at
>the start of the season!).

Good job from David in past races but there are still many of us who think
Hakkinen isn't in his level nowadays.
( well so far in Spain he have won Coulthard in every session also
in qualifying. But of course Mclaren hasn't worked too well either.)

Quote:
>With so many drivers, a bad start to a season, in comparison to their team mate, seems
>irreversible. Herbert at Benneton, Patrese at Benneton, Verstappen at Benneton (can you
>see a trend there?)

Not too well.

Quote:
>This seems to show a mental toughness in Davey boy that is a rare thing in this feather
>cushioned world of F1. Don't say a bad word about most F1 drivers, they'll be in the
>trailer crying for a week!

To me it seems mental toughness isn't exactly the Davey's strongest ability.

Quote:
>Damon and David had driven at. Pole at Aida, which David had not driven at.
>David is a fast learner, faster than Jacques seems to be. Jacques is good but in F1
>terms not as good at David seem to be. The reputation cannot help though.

I can't see anything big in Villeneuve except his driving suit.
And I think you're right Coulthard is faster to learn than him(also faster
driver).

Quote:
>I fear however that no matter how good David and Mika are, McLaren will not supply a car
>that will do their talent justice. McLaren need a shake up in personnell.

This weekend has shown again that fact. They got a good motor,good drivers
(also test expert), good car but their personnel really understand how to
***things up.

Quote:
>I'll give you mine. The listing below is based, not on outright 'raw' speed which is
>fine for 'arrive and drive' racing, but in F1 driving. That means speed and setting up
>skills (remember that Hakkinen and Alesi fans!)
>1. Schumacher
>2. Coulthard
>3. Hill
>4. All the other F1 drivers. Sorry but no one else stands out.

Should driver's abilities also be good familiar background, rich sponsors,
connections to the right people and luck?
Come on, it's ridicolous to put those men in precise order.

Quote:
>I apologise for this rather long and rambling posting. I'll try drinking less before
>posting next time.

I suggest you should drink more, it's fun and opens your mind. :-)

Niko Halonen
--

Ferro                 /\/\/\ Dem proctus non pasficus,


 
 
 

Winning a 'no win' situation.

Post by Tela » Sat, 08 Jun 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
> I can't see anything big in Villeneuve except his driving suit.
> And I think you're right Coulthard is faster to learn than him (also
> faster driver).

I have to disagree with you. Look at Davids six first races for Williams
against Damon Hill in 1994, and compare it to Villeneuves performance
so far. You will clearly see that David was far more off Damons pace
(often more than one sec) than Villeneuve this season, who has even
beaten Damon once in Melbourne. Also consider that Damon is propably
a faster driver nowadays than he was back in 1994, and still Jacques
is not as far off Hill's pace as David was in his rookie season.

Greetings, Jan...
--------------------------------------------
Schumi - World Champion
Jacques - World Champion in prospect

 
 
 

Winning a 'no win' situation.

Post by gra.. » Sat, 08 Jun 1996 04:00:00


:  
: > I can't see anything big in Villeneuve except his driving suit.
: > And I think you're right Coulthard is faster to learn than him (also
: > faster driver).

: I have to disagree with you. Look at Davids six first races for Williams
: against Damon Hill in 1994, and compare it to Villeneuves performance
: so far. You will clearly see that David was far more off Damons pace

And what about Damon.  How did each of these guys do in their first 6
(Williams) races?

GB

 
 
 

Winning a 'no win' situation.

Post by Matt Peters » Sat, 08 Jun 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

> : I have to disagree with you. Look at Davids six first races for Williams
> : against Damon Hill in 1994, and compare it to Villeneuves performance
> : so far. You will clearly see that David was far more off Damons pace

> And what about Damon.  How did each of these guys do in their first 6
> (Williams) races?

> GB

Well, when you put it that way, Hill and Vill are looking pretty good.
Coulthard is looking like the guy who crashed in pit lane...

-Matt