Brilliant Damon, shows his stuff AGAIN!

Brilliant Damon, shows his stuff AGAIN!

Post by David Oldridg » Sun, 26 Oct 1997 04:00:00


Not wishing to pour cold water on your commendable enthusiasm, but..........
If DH was that brilliant (and the best F1 driver of any era) he would have
been achieving the same result on a reasonably consistent basis throughout
the season.

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Quote:

>Well well well, Damon once again takes one of the worst shit boxes in
>F1 and puts it on the front of the grid. Hes just brilliant and the
>best F1 driver ever.

 
 
 

Brilliant Damon, shows his stuff AGAIN!

Post by Ron Thornt » Sun, 26 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>Well well well, Damon once again takes one of the worst shit boxes in
>F1 and puts it on the front of the grid. Hes just brilliant and the
>best F1 driver ever.

Perhaps you should wait until the race is over before praising the
skills (or lack of) of Demon Pill.
--
Ron

 
 
 

Brilliant Damon, shows his stuff AGAIN!

Post by Mike Well » Sun, 26 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Cheque please! ;-)

 
 
 

Brilliant Damon, shows his stuff AGAIN!

Post by RP » Mon, 27 Oct 1997 03:00:00

Well well well, Damon once again takes one of the worst shit boxes in
F1 and puts it on the front of the grid. Hes just brilliant and the
best F1 driver ever.

 
 
 

Brilliant Damon, shows his stuff AGAIN!

Post by Paul Hatchm » Mon, 27 Oct 1997 03:00:00

Quote:

>Not wishing to pour cold water on your commendable enthusiasm, but..........
>If DH was that brilliant (and the best F1 driver of any era) he would have
>been achieving the same result on a reasonably consistent basis throughout
>the season.

Look, I am not a Hill fan but the two times he has qualified well have been on
very tight, twisty circuits with almost no straights. So either the car is
particularly good on these circuits or Hill is, or most likely a combination of
the two. Pedro didn't qualify very well here, so I think we are seeing some
more of Hill in his element. It doesn't make him the best driver ever, but it
does say a lot for him.

        - Paul

 
 
 

Brilliant Damon, shows his stuff AGAIN!

Post by David Oldridg » Mon, 27 Oct 1997 03:00:00

I think you are right on the first point. By coincidence, Jerez is deemed to
be similar in its nature to Hungary. However, I think the success on both is
more a combination of the car's suitability to those tracks with the
suitability of Bridgestone tyres.

As far as comparing the performances of Diniz and Hill in the same context
as proclaiming Hill as a brilliant driver; I think that argument is on very
thin ice.

For my money, there have been too many instances of Diniz appearing to
outperform Hill in either qualifying or the race. On the basis of the 12.5
million difference in their reputed financial worth to the team (Damon
receiving 4.5m and Pedro paying 8m, through sponsors), Pedro should not be
able to get within a country mile of Damon.
As an example of other "brilliant drivers" against their repectable team
mates I would cite:
Mansell / Patrese, Senna / Berger, Schumacher/just about any partner he has
had.

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>Look, I am not a Hill fan but the two times he has qualified well have been
on
>very tight, twisty circuits with almost no straights. So either the car is
>particularly good on these circuits or Hill is, or most likely a
combination of
>the two. Pedro didn't qualify very well here, so I think we are seeing some
>more of Hill in his element. It doesn't make him the best driver ever, but
it
>does say a lot for him.

> - Paul

 
 
 

Brilliant Damon, shows his stuff AGAIN!

Post by Phil Gra » Mon, 27 Oct 1997 03:00:00

Quote:

>I think you are right on the first point. By coincidence, Jerez is deemed to
>be similar in its nature to Hungary. However, I think the success on both is
>more a combination of the car's suitability to those tracks with the
>suitability of Bridgestone tyres.

>As far as comparing the performances of Diniz and Hill in the same context
>as proclaiming Hill as a brilliant driver; I think that argument is on very
>thin ice.

>For my money, there have been too many instances of Diniz appearing to
>outperform Hill in either qualifying or the race. On the basis of the 12.5
>million difference in their reputed financial worth to the team (Damon
>receiving 4.5m and Pedro paying 8m, through sponsors), Pedro should not be
>able to get within a country mile of Damon.
>As an example of other "brilliant drivers" against their repectable team
>mates I would cite:
>Mansell / Patrese, Senna / Berger, Schumacher/just about any partner he has
>had.

Or how about Hill / Villeneuve last year. was it 13 - 4 in qualifying
at the end ?

Phil.

 
 
 

Brilliant Damon, shows his stuff AGAIN!

Post by Cheek Sr » Mon, 27 Oct 1997 03:00:00

Quote:

> Not wishing to pour cold water on your commendable enthusiasm, but..........
> If DH was that brilliant (and the best F1 driver of any era) he would have
> been achieving the same result on a reasonably consistent basis throughout
> the season.

> --
> David Oldridge

Your argument excludes the ongoing development of a racing car over a
season.The car that expired on the warmer in Australia v nearly won in
Hungary,and is the thickness of a thread of carbon fibre off pole in
Jerez.This is due to the car being continually improved over the season.
The driver is of course plays a major part in the improvements the team
makes to the car (development feedback).

The one thing he cannot influence is engine development,neither in
extracting more power nor in achieving reliability.On "power" circuits
the Arrows is still some way off the pace,on "chassis" circuits it has
obviously improved considerably.
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Post by David Oldridg » Mon, 27 Oct 1997 03:00:00

Fancy posting derogatory comments about Villeneuve at this critical time :-)
:-)

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>Or how about Hill / Villeneuve last year. was it 13 - 4 in qualifying
>at the end ?

>Phil.

 
 
 

Brilliant Damon, shows his stuff AGAIN!

Post by Cheek Sr » Mon, 27 Oct 1997 03:00:00

Quote:


> >Well well well, Damon once again takes one of the worst shit boxes in
> >F1 and puts it on the front of the grid. Hes just brilliant and the
> >best F1 driver ever.

> Perhaps you should wait until the race is over before praising the
> skills (or lack of) of Demon Pill.
> --
> Ron

Why?
Doc
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Post by Kulvinder Singh Matha » Mon, 27 Oct 1997 03:00:00



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Quote:
>)   I suspect what "racing incidents" occur (and there are bound to be
>some) the analysts will be right into attribution theories.  Can't wait
>for 2am.

Hmmmm......!!!!

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Brilliant Damon, shows his stuff AGAIN!

Post by Dave Bower » Mon, 27 Oct 1997 03:00:00



Quote:
>Perhaps you should wait until the race is over before praising the
>skills (or lack of) of Demon Pill.

You obviously didn't think much of Mr. Pill outqualifying all but the
top three yesterday. I'm confident about his chances for the race,
especially after Hungary where he overtook MS under braking, which would
have been extremely difficult as the Arrows has far less straight line
speed than the Ferrari. Why don't you just give the guy some credit?
--
Dave Bowers
 
 
 

Brilliant Damon, shows his stuff AGAIN!

Post by Tuomo O. Vuolteenah » Mon, 27 Oct 1997 03:00:00

Quote:

> Or how about Hill / Villeneuve last year. was it 13 - 4 in qualifying
> at the end ?

> Phil.

I don't think anybody has realized his full potential during his first
season in F1. The fact that a rookie came within a shouting distance of
Damon Hill is not something that Hill's fans can brag about.

                                                                Tuomo

 
 
 

Brilliant Damon, shows his stuff AGAIN!

Post by Thomas Gmu » Mon, 27 Oct 1997 03:00:00

Quote:

> Not wishing to pour cold water on your commendable enthusiasm, but..........
> If DH was that brilliant (and the best F1 driver of any era) he would have
> been achieving the same result on a reasonably consistent basis throughout
> the season.

He started the season on 20th position and nearly missed the 107%
boarder in Australia and ends it on 4th some thousands of a second
behind the pole. That maybe indicates how far his development work has
brought the team? Somehow I think your argument is worthless.

P.S. And Eddie Jordan can really need him, as his drivers went back from
12 & 14 in Oz to 16 & 17th on the grid today.

Thomas
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Brilliant Damon, shows his stuff AGAIN!

Post by TBC » Mon, 27 Oct 1997 03:00:00

Damon might not be the best, but he is still the most gentlemanly. (AKA MS
last ditch attempt to take of JV)