Your biggest rival is your team-mate

Your biggest rival is your team-mate

Post by Paul- » Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:59:40


I had a look at these qualifying stats available on Pitpass... some of
them were quite surprising (unless you are Brian and live a a world of
statistics... ;-)

McLaren

Hamilton        out-qualified   Kovalainen      5
Kovalainen      out-qualified   Hamilton        4

Ferrari

Massa           out-qualified   Raikkonen       4
Raikkonen       out-qualified   Massa           5

BMW-Sauber

Kubica  out-qualified   Heidfeld        6
Heidfeld        out-qualified   Kubica  3

Renault

Alonso  out-qualified   Piquet          8
Piquet          out-qualified   Alonso  1

Toyota          

Trulli          out-qualified   Glock           7
Glock           out-qualified   Trulli          2

Toro Rosso

Bourdais        out-qualified   Buemi           2
Buemi           out-qualified   Bourdais        7

Red Bull        

Webber  out-qualified   Vettel          1
Vettel          out-qualified   Webber  8

Williams

Rosberg         out-qualified   Nakajima        7
Nakajima        out-qualified   Rosberg         2

Force India

Sutil           out-qualified   Fisichella      5
Fisichella      out-qualified   Sutil           4

Brawn

Button  out-qualified   Barrichello     6
Barrichello     out-qualified   Button  3

Dunno why, but my perception overall differed... I know qualifying is
one thing and race performance another, but qualifying is more a
dtriver comparison than race, since cars rarely break in qualifying
whereas in the race...

--
Paul-B
God detests the French but God is no fool. The Almighty knows He made a
mistake when he created the French! So he's sending us to correct it!
We're God's army and we're going to gut those devil-spawned bastards.
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Your biggest rival is your team-mate

Post by Mark » Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:08:33

Quote:

> I had a look at these qualifying stats available on Pitpass... some of
> them were quite surprising (unless you are Brian and live a a world of
> statistics... ;-)

> McLaren

> Hamilton        out-qualified   Kovalainen      5
> Kovalainen      out-qualified   Hamilton        4

Kovalainen is really good at squeezing a good lap out of a pretty awful
car.  Of course, in the race...

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> Ferrari

> Massa           out-qualified   Raikkonen       4
> Raikkonen       out-qualified   Massa           5

They're both good drivers in a very mediocre car.

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> BMW-Sauber

> Kubica  out-qualified   Heidfeld        6
> Heidfeld        out-qualified   Kubica  3

Doesn't surprise me.

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> Renault

> Alonso  out-qualified   Piquet          8
> Piquet          out-qualified   Alonso  1

I'm amazed it's not 9-0. ;-)

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> Toyota          

> Trulli          out-qualified   Glock           7
> Glock           out-qualified   Trulli          2

Sure.

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> Toro Rosso

> Bourdais        out-qualified   Buemi           2
> Buemi           out-qualified   Bourdais        7

Again, just a surprise it isn't 0-9.

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> Red Bull        

> Webber  out-qualified   Vettel          1
> Vettel          out-qualified   Webber  8

No shock.

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> Williams

> Rosberg         out-qualified   Nakajima        7
> Nakajima        out-qualified   Rosberg         2

Another 9-0, you'd expect.

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> Force India

> Sutil           out-qualified   Fisichella      5
> Fisichella      out-qualified   Sutil           4

Closer than I'd imagined.

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> Brawn

> Button  out-qualified   Barrichello     6
> Barrichello     out-qualified   Button  3

Seems fair.

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> Dunno why, but my perception overall differed... I know qualifying is
> one thing and race performance another, but qualifying is more a
> dtriver comparison than race, since cars rarely break in qualifying
> whereas in the race...

I wouldn't read too much into qualification this year (so far, at
least).  Many good drivers are in bad cars in a year with no testing, so
I suspect many teams are playing with strategies in testing as well as
in the race, so you can't be sure what you're looking at.

Equally, drivers can greatly influence how often their car breaks, so a
great driver who qualifies at the front and ends the race with flames
out of the back isn't as useful as the driver who qualifies further back
but brings home the points.

 
 
 

Your biggest rival is your team-mate

Post by AC » Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:33:26


Quote:
>I had a look at these qualifying stats available on Pitpass... some of
> them were quite surprising (unless you are Brian and live a a world of
> statistics... ;-)

> McLaren

> Hamilton out-qualified Kovalainen 5
> Kovalainen out-qualified Hamilton 4

> Ferrari

> Massa out-qualified Raikkonen 4
> Raikkonen out-qualified Massa    5

> BMW-Sauber

> Kubica out-qualified Heidfeld 6
> Heidfeld out-qualified Kubica 3

> Renault

> Alonso out-qualified Piquet 8
> Piquet out-qualified Alonso 1

> Toyota

> Trulli out-qualified Glock 7
> Glock out-qualified Trulli 2

> Toro Rosso

> Bourdais out-qualified Buemi 2
> Buemi out-qualified Bourdais 7

> Red Bull

> Webber out-qualified Vettel 1
> Vettel out-qualified Webber 8

> Williams

> Rosberg out-qualified Nakajima 7
> Nakajima out-qualified Rosberg 2

> Force India

> Sutil out-qualified Fisichella 5
> Fisichella out-qualified Sutil 4

> Brawn

> Button out-qualified Barrichello 6
> Barrichello out-qualified Button 3

> Dunno why, but my perception overall differed... I know qualifying is
> one thing and race performance another, but qualifying is more a
> dtriver comparison than race, since cars rarely break in qualifying
> whereas in the race...

Are the figures adjusted for fuel loads / strategy?

AC

 
 
 

Your biggest rival is your team-mate

Post by Sheve » Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:31:24

AC escribi :

Quote:


>> I had a look at these qualifying stats available on Pitpass... some of
>> them were quite surprising (unless you are Brian and live a a world of
>> statistics... ;-)

>> McLaren

>> Hamilton out-qualified Kovalainen 5
>> Kovalainen out-qualified Hamilton 4

>> Ferrari

>> Massa out-qualified Raikkonen 4
>> Raikkonen out-qualified Massa    5

>> BMW-Sauber

>> Kubica out-qualified Heidfeld 6
>> Heidfeld out-qualified Kubica 3

>> Renault

>> Alonso out-qualified Piquet 8
>> Piquet out-qualified Alonso 1

>> Toyota

>> Trulli out-qualified Glock 7
>> Glock out-qualified Trulli 2

>> Toro Rosso

>> Bourdais out-qualified Buemi 2
>> Buemi out-qualified Bourdais 7

>> Red Bull

>> Webber out-qualified Vettel 1
>> Vettel out-qualified Webber 8

>> Williams

>> Rosberg out-qualified Nakajima 7
>> Nakajima out-qualified Rosberg 2

>> Force India

>> Sutil out-qualified Fisichella 5
>> Fisichella out-qualified Sutil 4

>> Brawn

>> Button out-qualified Barrichello 6
>> Barrichello out-qualified Button 3

>> Dunno why, but my perception overall differed... I know qualifying is
>> one thing and race performance another, but qualifying is more a
>> dtriver comparison than race, since cars rarely break in qualifying
>> whereas in the race...

> Are the figures adjusted for fuel loads / strategy?

Except in the Brawn and Red Bull cases, I think the norm is that in each
team one of the drivers (or both) doesn't reach the Q3, so the fuel load
or strategy is not so important.

--
Shevek

 
 
 

Your biggest rival is your team-mate

Post by Chad » Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:28:57


Quote:
>I had a look at these qualifying stats available on Pitpass... some of
> them were quite surprising (unless you are Brian and live a a world of
> statistics... ;-)

If you compare who has finished higher in the races, quite a few of these
quali comparisons flip the other way. (Ferrari, BMW, Toy, Red Bull and FI)

Thats pretty weird if you think about it. In 5 of the 10 teams the driver
who has qualified worst has usually finished best.

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> McLaren

> Hamilton out-qualified Kovalainen 5
> Kovalainen out-qualified Hamilton 4

Ham leads 6-3 in race finishes.

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> Ferrari

> Massa out-qualified Raikkonen 4
> Raikkonen out-qualified Massa    5

Massa leads 5-4

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> BMW-Sauber

> Kubica out-qualified Heidfeld 6
> Heidfeld out-qualified Kubica 3

Heidfeld leads 6-3

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> Renault

> Alonso out-qualified Piquet 8
> Piquet out-qualified Alonso 1

Alonso 8-1

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> Toyota

> Trulli out-qualified Glock 7
> Glock out-qualified Trulli 2

Glock leads 5-4

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> Toro Rosso

> Bourdais out-qualified Buemi 2
> Buemi out-qualified Bourdais 7

Beumi leads 6-3

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> Red Bull

> Webber out-qualified Vettel 1
> Vettel out-qualified Webber 8

Webber leads 6-3

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> Williams

> Rosberg out-qualified Nakajima 7
> Nakajima out-qualified Rosberg 2

Rosberg 9-0

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> Force India

> Sutil out-qualified Fisichella 5
> Fisichella out-qualified Sutil 4

Fisi leads 6-3

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> Brawn

> Button out-qualified Barrichello 6
> Barrichello out-qualified Button 3

Button leads 8-1
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> Dunno why, but my perception overall differed... I know qualifying is
> one thing and race performance another, but qualifying is more a
> dtriver comparison than race, since cars rarely break in qualifying
> whereas in the race...

> --
> Paul-B
> God detests the French but God is no fool. The Almighty knows He made a
> mistake when he created the French! So he's sending us to correct it!
> We're God's army and we're going to gut those devil-spawned bastards.
> Sir John Cornewaille before Agincourt