Autosport (UK) Driver Ratings - Sepang

Autosport (UK) Driver Ratings - Sepang

Post by Brian_W_Lawre.. » Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:47:17


Last season the UK weekly motorsport magazine Autosport (www.autosport.com)
began to publish a driver rating after each race. They don't elaborate on
how they arrive at the ratings, or who makes them. However, it soon became
obvious that the rating MUST take practice and qualifying into account -
it's not just the race itself.

These were their ratings for Sepang (points out of 10):

10  MS
 9  Jos
 8  Rubens, DC, HHF
 7  Ralf, Montoya
 6  MH, Button, Trulli, JV, Panis, Heidfeld, R?ikk?nen, Burti, Alesi
 5  Fisi, Bernoldi, Alonso, Marques, Irvine, Mazzacane

The season to date:

               AUS MAS  Tot  Avg.
=================================
 1 M Schumacher 9 10     19  9.50
 2 Coulthard    9  8     17  8.50
 3 R?ikk?nen    9  6     15  7.50
   Frentzen     7  8     15  7.50
 5 H?kkinen     8  6     14  7.00
   Heidfeld     8  6     14  7.00
   Panis        8  6     14  7.00
   R Schumacher 7  7     14  7.00
   Montoya      7  7     14  7.00
   Verstappen   5  9     14  7.00
11 Trulli       7  6     13  6.50
   Barrichello  5  8     13  6.50
13 Alonso       7  5     12  6.00
   Villeneuve   6  6     12  6.00
   Button       6  6     12  6.00
   Burti        6  6     12  6.00
17 Irvine       6  5     11  5.50
   Fisichella   6  5     11  5.50
   Alesi        5  6     11  5.50
20 Mazzacane    4  5      9  4.50
   Marques      4  5      9  4.50
22 Bernoldi     3  5      8  4.00

If you feel strongly enough you can make your own ratings in the
same style at http://go.to/f1info/

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Autosport (UK) Driver Ratings - Sepang

Post by Brendan Andrew » Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:24:27

Well, as usual plenty to argue about.

Ralf the same as Montoya? : no way.

Ralf outqualified him, was unlucky at the first turn and held off a
*McLaren* that set the fastest laps of the race. JCM made no mistakes and
was unlucky, but didn't get the chance to do enough to impress as much as
Ralf. How can they seriously suggest that their performances this season
so far have been equal? Even allowing for JCM as the new boy (which is
hardley fair). Let's pick on the Germans...

I expect they pinged MS a point for the practice 'excursion' in
Melbourne, but he dominated the weeked for heavens sakes. To say DC did
as well is just being a little overly supportive of your own driver.

Mika must be considered unlucky in Australia too. He outqualified DC (did
in Malaysia too) and outraced him until his suspension failed.

Do they mean Raikkonen drove as well as Schumacher in Melbourne, or was
as impressive based on expectations? Are they scoring most improved or
absolute performances? (Rakkonen did drive amazingly well in Australia,
but his teammate outqualified and beat him and still got less points
from them - that's ridiculous)

I hope there's a disclaimer that it's all subjective...

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Quote:

> Last season the UK weekly motorsport magazine Autosport (www.autosport.com)
> began to publish a driver rating after each race. They don't elaborate on
> how they arrive at the ratings, or who makes them. However, it soon became
> obvious that the rating MUST take practice and qualifying into account -
> it's not just the race itself.

> These were their ratings for Sepang (points out of 10):

> 10  MS
>  9  Jos
>  8  Rubens, DC, HHF
>  7  Ralf, Montoya
>  6  MH, Button, Trulli, JV, Panis, Heidfeld, R?ikk?nen, Burti, Alesi
>  5  Fisi, Bernoldi, Alonso, Marques, Irvine, Mazzacane

> The season to date:

>                AUS MAS  Tot  Avg.
> =================================
>  1 M Schumacher 9 10     19  9.50
>  2 Coulthard    9  8     17  8.50
>  3 R?ikk?nen    9  6     15  7.50
>    Frentzen     7  8     15  7.50
>  5 H?kkinen     8  6     14  7.00
>    Heidfeld     8  6     14  7.00
>    Panis        8  6     14  7.00
>    R Schumacher 7  7     14  7.00
>    Montoya      7  7     14  7.00
>    Verstappen   5  9     14  7.00
> 11 Trulli       7  6     13  6.50
>    Barrichello  5  8     13  6.50
> 13 Alonso       7  5     12  6.00
>    Villeneuve   6  6     12  6.00
>    Button       6  6     12  6.00
>    Burti        6  6     12  6.00
> 17 Irvine       6  5     11  5.50
>    Fisichella   6  5     11  5.50
>    Alesi        5  6     11  5.50
> 20 Mazzacane    4  5      9  4.50
>    Marques      4  5      9  4.50
> 22 Bernoldi     3  5      8  4.00

> If you feel strongly enough you can make your own ratings in the
> same style at http://go.to/f1info/


 
 
 

Autosport (UK) Driver Ratings - Sepang

Post by Jak » Mon, 26 Mar 2001 01:01:35


Quote:

> Last season the UK weekly motorsport magazine Autosport
(www.autosport.com)
> began to publish a driver rating after each race. They don't elaborate on
> how they arrive at the ratings, or who makes them. However, it soon became
> obvious that the rating MUST take practice and qualifying into account -
> it's not just the race itself.
[...]
> If you feel strongly enough you can make your own ratings in the
> same style at http://go.to/f1info/

Hey, I was going to say that! :-)

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Autosport (UK) Driver Ratings - Sepang

Post by Jak » Wed, 28 Mar 2001 04:24:17



Quote:

> I don't get the Ralf thing either. Only 7?! He drove a great race.

You'll be pleased to know that most people so far have been giving him 8 or
9 (with one 5, one 3, and some strange fellow giving him the full 10 <g>)

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Autosport (UK) Driver Ratings - Sepang

Post by Brian_W_Lawre.. » Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:33:00


Quote:
>Ralf the same as Montoya? : no way.

>Ralf outqualified him, was unlucky at the first turn and held off a
>*McLaren* that set the fastest laps of the race. JCM made no mistakes and
>was unlucky, but didn't get the chance to do enough to impress as much as
>Ralf. How can they seriously suggest that their performances this season
>so far have been equal? Even allowing for JCM as the new boy (which is
>hardley fair). Let's pick on the Germans...

It's not my role to defend Autosport here, I just post them in
the belief that they might be of interest. But I'll make a
couple of observations:

Others have praised JPM (aka JCM?) for his qualifying performance
- after doing only 5 laps on Friday, he managed to qualify 6th
only 0.7s behind a team-mate with four full seasons behind him.
If they were both equally experienced then you might rate Ralf
higher, but they are not starting from the same point.

Quote:
>Do they mean Raikkonen drove as well as Schumacher in Melbourne, or was
>as impressive based on expectations? Are they scoring most improved or
>absolute performances? (Rakkonen did drive amazingly well in Australia,
>but his teammate outqualified and beat him and still got less points
>from them - that's ridiculous)

Same point as above really, for a rookie in his first F1 race, at
a circuit he had never seen before, Kimi rated a 9. As a superstar
with a decade in F1 behind him, so did Michael.

One other point. If you want to grade Ralf higher than JPM, how
do you do it? Do you upgrade Ralf to an 8, or downgrade JPM to
a 6? Don't you then have the same problems comparing either of
them to the others with that score? You can't give anyone half
a point, and although marks are "out of 10", in practice it's
rare for anyone to get less than 5 - not much room for
manouvre there.

It's all subjective.

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Autosport (UK) Driver Ratings - Sepang

Post by websl.. » Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:22:51

Quote:
Brendan Andrews writes:
> Do they mean Raikkonen drove as well as Schumacher in Melbourne,
> or was as impressive based on expectations? Are they scoring most
> improved or absolute performances? (Rakkonen did drive amazingly
> well in Australia, but his teammate outqualified and beat him and still
> got less points from them - that's ridiculous)

Heidfeld made mistakes, while Kimi didn't. Not one. I suppose things like
experience matters. R?ikkonen was driving on a track he's never driven
before, unlike Heidfeld. It also was his 1st GP start ever.

Actual results don't seem to mean everything. Since we don't know how the
ratings are made, we can only guess what matters. It could be just a couple
of lads giving points according to their own impressions.

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Autosport (UK) Driver Ratings - Sepang

Post by Brendan Andrew » Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:16:09



<snip>
Quote:
> Same point as above really, for a rookie in his first F1 race, at
> a circuit he had never seen before, Kimi rated a 9. As a superstar
> with a decade in F1 behind him, so did Michael.

<snip>

If they really do rate them this way it just compounds the difficulty.

I suppose it may well be the case that Autosport are rating a driver
against themselves. So if MS or Mika appears mortal, they could be
outscored by a rookie - but only because that rookie does better than
expected.

But for this system to be readable, they'd also need to rate the drivers
independently, so we know that a 9 for Raikkonen is based on him being
considered a 6-out-of-10-driver because he's a rookie, and the 9 for MS
is based on his being a 10, and hence actually a higher score.

To know whether they felt Ralf actually drove better than Montoya,
they'll have to tell us which driver they rate higher in the first place.

I suppose it creates conversation. I can't get Autosport here, how do
they describe their system? Are the driver's ratings meant to be compared
against each other or rather each with himself?

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Autosport (UK) Driver Ratings - Sepang

Post by Glenk » Thu, 29 Mar 2001 02:22:32

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:16:09 GMT, Brendan Andrews

Quote:

>I suppose it creates conversation. I can't get Autosport here,

http://SportToday.org/

I don't know if it'l contain the details that you want, or the gems
that Rui finds in the Portuguese version, but there you go.  No man or
woman should be without the Autosport link.  What then does one ***
about? ;))

Glenys

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