Ferrari should terminate Raikkonen's contract for 2009

Ferrari should terminate Raikkonen's contract for 2009

Post by Maserati 250 » Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:30:49


2 seasons, in a top car; nothing much to write about. Ofcourse there is
the 2007 fluke title, but thats about it.

Better, faster drivers available on the grid, who would do more justice
to the top car Ferrari has. About time, Kimi's is shown the door.

--
"The engine sounds quiet on that one." (Verstappen's car dies in the pits)

 
 
 

Ferrari should terminate Raikkonen's contract for 2009

Post by Mike » Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:38:16

Quote:

> 2 seasons, in a top car; nothing much to write about. Ofcourse there
> is the 2007 fluke title, but thats about it.

> Better, faster drivers available on the grid, who would do more
> justice to the top car Ferrari has. About time, Kimi's is shown the
> door.

He'll win the title this year. I'll put money on it.

Mike P

 
 
 

Ferrari should terminate Raikkonen's contract for 2009

Post by Clyde Penqui » Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:21:24

Quote:

> 2 seasons, in a top car; nothing much to write about. Ofcourse there is
> the 2007 fluke title, but thats about it.

> Better, faster drivers available on the grid, who would do more justice
> to the top car Ferrari has. About time, Kimi's is shown the door.

And you'd also say McLaren should fire Hamilton?  Two seasons, not
even a "fluke title" to show for it ...

 
 
 

Ferrari should terminate Raikkonen's contract for 2009

Post by Simon say » Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:36:35


Quote:
> 2 seasons, in a top car; nothing much to write about. Ofcourse there is
> the 2007 fluke title, but thats about it.

> Better, faster drivers available on the grid, who would do more justice
> to the top car Ferrari has. About time, Kimi's is shown the door.

> --
> "The engine sounds quiet on that one." (Verstappen's car dies in the pits)

Not really, KR is probably together with Lewis the 2 best drivers out
there. KR nearly allways gets fastest laps each race. There is
something going on at Ferrari to hold Kimi back. Ferrari allways put
KR on a heavy fuel strategy, when he gets rid of all the fuel and on
worn out tyres, he drivers faster than anyone else. Problem is, with
his heavy fuel strategy Kimi is allways blocked behind someone. It
doesn't take a genious that this strategy sucks.

On fast tracks like Valencia and Spa were Ferrari have the advantage
of a superiour engine ( Torro Rosso and Ferrari both get the highest
top speed each race, it can't be coincidence since they both have a
Ferrari engine ). KR is no way out of the championship. Ferarri's car

Quote:
> Mclaren's car. There are alot of fast tracks coming up were Ferrari

will dominate with their insane engine.  Kimi can beat Massa if
Ferrari stops messing up Kimi's chances with their stupid heavy fuel
strategy since KR is faster than Massa on worn out tyres after getting
rid of his fuel.

But all depends on Lewis. That kid is pure genious. He might have a
slower and more difficult car than Massa and KR ( The Mclaren has a
poor balance and lacks the straight line speed of the Ferrari ) but he
if he doesn't *** up, he will win the WDC. If there is 1 more wet
race this season then Massa will be out, because Massa is driving like
a 4-year old rookie in the wet. :P

 
 
 

Ferrari should terminate Raikkonen's contract for 2009

Post by FB » Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:02:36



Quote:

>> 2 seasons, in a top car; nothing much to write about. Ofcourse there is
>> the 2007 fluke title, but thats about it.

>> Better, faster drivers available on the grid, who would do more justice
>> to the top car Ferrari has. About time, Kimi's is shown the door.

>> --
>> "The engine sounds quiet on that one." (Verstappen's car dies in the
>> pits)

> Not really, KR is probably together with Lewis the 2 best drivers out
> there. KR nearly allways gets fastest laps each race. There is
> something going on at Ferrari to hold Kimi back. Ferrari allways put
> KR on a heavy fuel strategy, when he gets rid of all the fuel and on
> worn out tyres, he drivers faster than anyone else. Problem is, with
> his heavy fuel strategy Kimi is allways blocked behind someone. It
> doesn't take a genious that this strategy sucks.

> On fast tracks like Valencia and Spa were Ferrari have the advantage
> of a superiour engine ( Torro Rosso and Ferrari both get the highest
> top speed each race, it can't be coincidence since they both have a
> Ferrari engine ). KR is no way out of the championship. Ferarri's car
>> Mclaren's car. There are alot of fast tracks coming up were Ferrari
> will dominate with their insane engine.  Kimi can beat Massa if
> Ferrari stops messing up Kimi's chances with their stupid heavy fuel
> strategy since KR is faster than Massa on worn out tyres after getting
> rid of his fuel.

> But all depends on Lewis. That kid is pure genious. He might have a
> slower and more difficult car than Massa and KR ( The Mclaren has a
> poor balance and lacks the straight line speed of the Ferrari ) but he
> if he doesn't *** up, he will win the WDC. If there is 1 more wet
> race this season then Massa will be out, because Massa is driving like
> a 4-year old rookie in the wet. :P

if Kimi's problem is the heavy fuel load how do you explain Massa being
always faster than him on Q2, when both cars are empty?

Ferrari gives the faster Q2 driver the fuel choice, too bad he can't get
it...

FB

 
 
 

Ferrari should terminate Raikkonen's contract for 2009

Post by Simon say » Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:47:57


Quote:


> >> 2 seasons, in a top car; nothing much to write about. Ofcourse there is
> >> the 2007 fluke title, but thats about it.

> >> Better, faster drivers available on the grid, who would do more justice
> >> to the top car Ferrari has. About time, Kimi's is shown the door.

> >> --
> >> "The engine sounds quiet on that one." (Verstappen's car dies in the
> >> pits)

> > Not really, KR is probably together with Lewis the 2 best drivers out
> > there. KR nearly allways gets fastest laps each race. There is
> > something going on at Ferrari to hold Kimi back. Ferrari allways put
> > KR on a heavy fuel strategy, when he gets rid of all the fuel and on
> > worn out tyres, he drivers faster than anyone else. Problem is, with
> > his heavy fuel strategy Kimi is allways blocked behind someone. It
> > doesn't take a genious that this strategy sucks.

> > On fast tracks like Valencia and Spa were Ferrari have the advantage
> > of a superiour engine ( Torro Rosso and Ferrari both get the highest
> > top speed each race, it can't be coincidence since they both have a
> > Ferrari engine ). KR is no way out of the championship. Ferarri's car
> >> Mclaren's car. There are alot of fast tracks coming up were Ferrari
> > will dominate with their insane engine.  Kimi can beat Massa if
> > Ferrari stops messing up Kimi's chances with their stupid heavy fuel
> > strategy since KR is faster than Massa on worn out tyres after getting
> > rid of his fuel.

> > But all depends on Lewis. That kid is pure genious. He might have a
> > slower and more difficult car than Massa and KR ( The Mclaren has a
> > poor balance and lacks the straight line speed of the Ferrari ) but he
> > if he doesn't *** up, he will win the WDC. If there is 1 more wet
> > race this season then Massa will be out, because Massa is driving like
> > a 4-year old rookie in the wet. :P

> if Kimi's problem is the heavy fuel load how do you explain Massa being
> always faster than him on Q2, when both cars are empty?

> Ferrari gives the faster Q2 driver the fuel choice, too bad he can't get
> it...

> FB

Maybe because the grid position is not deterimed in Q2? I don't think
many of the leading drivers such as Lewis give their maximum in Q2 and
just try to get into Q3 without taking too much risk.
 
 
 

Ferrari should terminate Raikkonen's contract for 2009

Post by Alessandro D. Petacci » Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:45:46

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:30:49 +0000 (UTC), Maserati 250F

Quote:

>2 seasons, in a top car; nothing much to write about. Ofcourse there is
>the 2007 fluke title, but thats about it.

Two seasons, one title, eight wins, five poles, 14 fastest laps - what
would you consider worth writing about then?

Quote:
>Better, faster drivers available on the grid,

Like whom?

ADP.

 
 
 

Ferrari should terminate Raikkonen's contract for 2009

Post by fort » Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:53:55

Quote:

> 2 seasons, in a top car; nothing much to write about. Ofcourse there is
> the 2007 fluke title, but thats about it.

Your mom's nothing to write about.

--
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Ferrari should terminate Raikkonen's contract for 2009

Post by Qbab » Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:19:36

Simon says pisze:

Quote:
>  KR is probably together with Lewis the 2 best drivers out
> there.

correctly is RK in my opinion :)

Qbab

 
 
 

Ferrari should terminate Raikkonen's contract for 2009

Post by Maserati 250 » Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:43:10

Quote:

>>2 seasons, in a top car; nothing much to write about. Ofcourse there is
>>the 2007 fluke title, but thats about it.

> Two seasons, one title,

... McLaren lost it spectacularly, a sure shot title; then again
McLaren were involved in a scandal, while sabotaging Alonso race
strategies. There were questions being asked about Kimi's form by
senior Ferrari management in 2007, now in 2008, and I wouldn't be
surprised, if they make a decision very soon. Besides, there are
questions on his leadership qualities, if whether the team can
look at him as a very long term prospect. I don't. Have you read
what Ferrari engineers have to said about him?

Quote:
> eight wins,

2 wins in this season of 12 races with Massa kicking his a$$ in
qualifying where it matters the most. 2007 late charge was not
really threatening, nobody would have ever placed bets on him
winning the 2007 title. For the very high rating he was taken in,
he doesn't seem to match it, even by 50%.

Quote:
> five poles,

Again just 2 of 12 this season, being beaten hands down by Massa...

Quote:
> 14 fastest laps -

Yeah... not getting him wins, are they?

Quote:
> what would you consider worth writing about then?

Nothing much, atleast with his stay at Ferrari. He was really
good in 2005, but McLaren Mercedes failed him.

Quote:
>>Better, faster drivers available on the grid,

> Like whom?

Alonso, Kubica, Hamilton.

--
Murray: "Case of champagne from Ferrari to Sauber for Noberto Fontana,
because the Argentinian newcomer up from Formula Three really, really
helped Michael Schumacher on his way there."
Martin: "What engine have they got in that Sauber, Murray"
Murray: "Er...."
Martin: "Isn't it a Ferrari!"

 
 
 

Ferrari should terminate Raikkonen's contract for 2009

Post by Maserati 250 » Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:59:18

Quote:

> if he doesn't *** up, he will win the WDC. If there is 1 more wet
> race this season then Massa will be out, because Massa is driving like
> a 4-year old rookie in the wet. :P

That will be Singapore then. Its going to be raining (but then
it rains almost through out the year), and combined with a night
race... Fireworks :-))

--
(As Button prepares to leave the circuit)

 
 
 

Ferrari should terminate Raikkonen's contract for 2009

Post by Maserati 250 » Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:00:52

Quote:

>> 2 seasons, in a top car; nothing much to write about. Ofcourse there is
>> the 2007 fluke title, but thats about it.

>> Better, faster drivers available on the grid, who would do more justice
>> to the top car Ferrari has. About time, Kimi's is shown the door.

> And you'd also say McLaren should fire Hamilton?

Nope. Hamilton should leave McLaren.

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Ferrari should terminate Raikkonen's contract for 2009

Post by mower ma » Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:09:27

Quote:


>>> 2 seasons, in a top car; nothing much to write about. Ofcourse there is
>>> the 2007 fluke title, but thats about it.

>>> Better, faster drivers available on the grid, who would do more justice
>>> to the top car Ferrari has. About time, Kimi's is shown the door.

>> And you'd also say McLaren should fire Hamilton?

> Nope. Hamilton should leave McLaren.

And go to......?

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Ferrari should terminate Raikkonen's contract for 2009

Post by FB » Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:04:02



Quote:




>> >> 2 seasons, in a top car; nothing much to write about. Ofcourse there
>> >> is
>> >> the 2007 fluke title, but thats about it.

>> >> Better, faster drivers available on the grid, who would do more
>> >> justice
>> >> to the top car Ferrari has. About time, Kimi's is shown the door.

>> >> --
>> >> "The engine sounds quiet on that one." (Verstappen's car dies in the
>> >> pits)

>> > Not really, KR is probably together with Lewis the 2 best drivers out
>> > there. KR nearly allways gets fastest laps each race. There is
>> > something going on at Ferrari to hold Kimi back. Ferrari allways put
>> > KR on a heavy fuel strategy, when he gets rid of all the fuel and on
>> > worn out tyres, he drivers faster than anyone else. Problem is, with
>> > his heavy fuel strategy Kimi is allways blocked behind someone. It
>> > doesn't take a genious that this strategy sucks.

>> > On fast tracks like Valencia and Spa were Ferrari have the advantage
>> > of a superiour engine ( Torro Rosso and Ferrari both get the highest
>> > top speed each race, it can't be coincidence since they both have a
>> > Ferrari engine ). KR is no way out of the championship. Ferarri's car
>> >> Mclaren's car. There are alot of fast tracks coming up were Ferrari
>> > will dominate with their insane engine.  Kimi can beat Massa if
>> > Ferrari stops messing up Kimi's chances with their stupid heavy fuel
>> > strategy since KR is faster than Massa on worn out tyres after getting
>> > rid of his fuel.

>> > But all depends on Lewis. That kid is pure genious. He might have a
>> > slower and more difficult car than Massa and KR ( The Mclaren has a
>> > poor balance and lacks the straight line speed of the Ferrari ) but he
>> > if he doesn't *** up, he will win the WDC. If there is 1 more wet
>> > race this season then Massa will be out, because Massa is driving like
>> > a 4-year old rookie in the wet. :P

>> if Kimi's problem is the heavy fuel load how do you explain Massa being
>> always faster than him on Q2, when both cars are empty?

>> Ferrari gives the faster Q2 driver the fuel choice, too bad he can't get
>> it...

>> FB

> Maybe because the grid position is not deterimed in Q2? I don't think
> many of the leading drivers such as Lewis give their maximum in Q2 and
> just try to get into Q3 without taking too much risk.

grid position is not determined by Q2, just the fuel load... and the fuel
load may determine the result in Q1...

maybe he still didn't understand that...

FB

 
 
 

Ferrari should terminate Raikkonen's contract for 2009

Post by CatharticF » Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:06:15


Quote:
> 2 seasons, in a top car; nothing much to write about. Ofcourse there is
> the 2007 fluke title, but thats about it.

> Better, faster drivers available on the grid, who would do more justice
> to the top car Ferrari has. About time, Kimi's is shown the door.

His performance has been put into stark contrast by Massa's recent purple
patch. They very seldom to be both be 'on' it, though it's undoubtedly true
that Massa is performing above expectations and Kimi below them.

It is certainly disappointing..

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