10 out of 10 for Rubens (Driver Ratings #11 - Silverstone)

10 out of 10 for Rubens (Driver Ratings #11 - Silverstone)

Post by Brian Lawrenc » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:21:05


As part of the Grand Prix report in the UK magazine Autosport, Mark Hughes
awards marks out of 10 for each driver. He rates them on the whole weekend,
not just for the race, and winning (or finishing) the race doesn't always
garner a high mark.

These were the driver ratings for Magny-Cours - points out of 10:

10  Barrichello
 9  Montoya
 8  R?ikk?nen, Trulli, Alonso, Button, da Matta
 7  M Schumacher, R Schumacher, Coulthard, Fisichella, Pizzonia, Villeneuve
    Wilson, Panis
 6  Heidfeld, Frentzen, Firman, Webber, Verstappen

Best of the season: Barrichello, Montoya (4), Button (4), Trulli (4), da Matta (4),
                    Pizzonia (5)

Worst of the season: Webber, Heidfeld (3), Verstappen (4)

                    Round
        2003        01 02 03 04 05 06 07 CDN Eur FRA GBR Tot Avg. Change
========================================================================
 1      M Schumacher 8  6  8 10  9  9  9   9   8   9   7  92 8.36 -0.14
 2      Alonso       9  9  8  8 10  8  8   9   7   7   8  91 8.27 -0.03
 3      Montoya      8  9  8  7  7  9  9   8   8   8   9  90 8.18 +0.08
 4      R?ikk?nen    8  9  8  9  5  9  8   7   9   8   8  88 8.00
 5      Webber       7  7  8  8  7  9  7   8   8   8   6  83 7.55 -0.15
 6 (10) Barrichello  7  7  8  9  7  8  6   7   7   6  10  82 7.45 +0.25
 7 (=6) Fisichella   7  6  9  8  7  7  8   8   7   7   7  81 7.36 -0.04
   (=6) Wilson       8  8  7  7  8  7  6   8   8   7   7  81 7.36 -0.04
 9      Button       8  7  7  7  7  8  -   6   8   7   8  73 7.30 +0.08
10  (8) Coulthard    8  8  9  8  7  6  7   6   6   8   7  80 7.27 -0.03
11      R Schumacher 6  5  7  9  7  5  7   8   8   9   7  78 7.09 -0.01
  (=12) Trulli       7  8  6  6  7  7  7   6   8   8   8  78 7.09 +0.09
13(=12) Panis        8  7  7  8  6  7  5   7   7   8   7  77 7.00
   (16) da Matta     7  8  6  7  7  7  7   8   6   6   8  77 7.00 +0.10
15(=12) Heidfeld     7  8  7  7  6  8  6   7   7   7   6  76 6.91 -0.09
  (=12) Frentzen     8  7  8  7  7  6  5   7   8   7   6  76 6.91 -0.09
17      Verstappen   7  7  7  6  7  6  6   7   7   7   6  73 6.64 -0.06
   (18) Villeneuve   8  6  6  8  7  7  6   6   5   7   7  73 6.64 +0.04
19      Firman       7  6  5  6  8  7  7   6   6   7   6  71 6.45 -0.05
20      Pizzonia     5  7  5  5  6  7  6   7   6   7   7  68 6.18 +0.08

Note: These are not my ratings, and I don't necessarily agree with them,
I'm just posting them to give _you_ the chance to disagree.

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10 out of 10 for Rubens (Driver Ratings #11 - Silverstone)

Post by Pete Fenelo » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:15:27

Quote:

> 10  Barrichello

Can't argue - the boy didn't put a wheel significantly wrong all
weekend.

pete
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10 out of 10 for Rubens (Driver Ratings #11 - Silverstone)

Post by Graham Hodgso » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:24:18

Pete Fenelon said the following on 7/24/2003 12:15 PM:

Quote:

>>10  Barrichello

> Can't argue - the boy didn't put a wheel significantly wrong all
> weekend.

> pete

I'm pretty sure he put it in the kitty litter in one of the practise
sessions around Brooklands. Other than that he was damn quick all weekend.

Cheers
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10 out of 10 for Rubens (Driver Ratings #11 - Silverstone)

Post by HooDooWitc » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:42:06


Quote:
>Pete Fenelon said the following on 7/24/2003 12:15 PM:


>>>10  Barrichello

>> Can't argue - the boy didn't put a wheel significantly wrong all
>> weekend.

>> pete

>I'm pretty sure he put it in the kitty litter in one of the practise
>sessions around Brooklands. Other than that he was damn quick all weekend.

First Qual - hence the early slot for Sat Qual.

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10 out of 10 for Rubens (Driver Ratings #11 - Silverstone)

Post by Graham Hodgso » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:48:32

HooDooWitch said the following on 7/24/2003 12:42 PM:

Quote:

>>Pete Fenelon said the following on 7/24/2003 12:15 PM:


>>>>10  Barrichello

>>>Can't argue - the boy didn't put a wheel significantly wrong all
>>>weekend.

>>>pete

>>I'm pretty sure he put it in the kitty litter in one of the practise
>>sessions around Brooklands. Other than that he was damn quick all weekend.

> First Qual - hence the early slot for Sat Qual.

Ah yes. It was only 5 days ago and I cant remember already :( Must be
getting old...

Cheers
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10 out of 10 for Rubens (Driver Ratings #11 - Silverstone)

Post by Mikko ?mm?l » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:54:37


Quote:
> These were the driver ratings for Magny-Cours - points out of 10:

> 10  Barrichello
>  9  Montoya
>  8  R?ikk?nen, Trulli, Alonso, Button, da Matta
>  7  M Schumacher, R Schumacher, Coulthard, Fisichella, Pizzonia,
Villeneuve
>     Wilson, Panis
>  6  Heidfeld, Frentzen, Firman, Webber, Verstappen

I have feeling that in these Autosport rankings (Hughes) Alonso always gets
too easily his ratings...looks like that he only needs to show up
to earn base '7' and then no-screw-up adds him 1-2 points automatically....

.mikko
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10 out of 10 for Rubens (Driver Ratings #11 - Silverstone)

Post by HooDooWitc » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:08:43


<snip>

Quote:
> 8  Button

Fastest of the non-Ferrous B'stones most of the weekend. Only
qualifies last due to mechanical breakage[1] and comes from last to
points position *twice* in the race (despite BAR-coloured roadblocks)
and he gets an 8?

[1] driver-induced mechanical break, but still mechanical. ;)

Quote:
> 7  Villeneuve

So it's now 7, just for turning up? Qualifies 9th and finishes 10th.
Thank f*ck he didn't finish in the points otherwise we might have had
two 10s on the board.

In fact, whilst I'm on my impartial ;) high horse about these two ...
JV outqualifies JB 6-5. This includes the mech. break and Monaco where
JB didn't even turn a wheel. What's all that about then?

Quote:
>Note: These are not my ratings, and I don't necessarily agree with them,
>I'm just posting them to give _you_ the chance to disagree.

Chance taken, thanks ;)

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10 out of 10 for Rubens (Driver Ratings #11 - Silverstone)

Post by powertrai » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:51:02

Quote:

> As part of the Grand Prix report in the UK magazine Autosport, Mark
> Hughes awards marks out of 10 for each driver. He rates them on the
> whole weekend, not just for the race, and winning (or finishing) the
> race doesn't always garner a high mark.

> These were the driver ratings for Magny-Cours - points out of 10:

> 10  Barrichello

I take it that for Autosport "the whole week-end" doesn't include Friday
qualifying...
 
 
 

10 out of 10 for Rubens (Driver Ratings #11 - Silverstone)

Post by powertrai » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:00:52

Quote:


> <snip>
>> 8  Button

> Fastest of the non-Ferrous B'stones most of the weekend. Only
> qualifies last due to mechanical breakage[1] and comes from last to
> points position *twice* in the race (despite BAR-coloured roadblocks)
> and he gets an 8?

> [1] driver-induced mechanical break, but still mechanical. ;)

He ran off the track all on his own! When does it become driver error in
your book? When he lands the car in the grandstands?

Quote:
>> 7  Villeneuve

> So it's now 7, just for turning up?

Gee, he should get a 9 just for daring to race with that Ferrari...

Quote:
> Qualifies 9th and finishes 10th.

Mechanical breakage. What's good for Button is good for Villie innit?
And he would've finished 8th if his boss hadn't had his favourite
driver out of the pits first in the last round of pit stops...

Quote:
> Thank f*ck he didn't finish in the points otherwise we might have had
> two 10s on the board.

JV get a 10 from Autosport? In your dreams...

Quote:
> In fact, whilst I'm on my impartial ;) high horse about these two ...
> JV outqualifies JB 6-5. This includes the mech. break and Monaco where
> JB didn't even turn a wheel. What's all that about then?

Didn't turn a wheel? In Monaco Button smashed a perfectly good car in
the Armco and nearly killed himself in Friday qualifying but that one
doesn't count either I guess...

Quote:
>> Note: These are not my ratings, and I don't necessarily agree with
>> them, I'm just posting them to give _you_ the chance to disagree.

> Chance taken, thanks ;)

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No pain no gain.
 
 
 

10 out of 10 for Rubens (Driver Ratings #11 - Silverstone)

Post by Brian Lawrenc » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:13:48

Quote:

> These were the driver ratings for Magny-Cours - points out of 10:

                                    Silverstone

but you all knew that :-)

Brian

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10 out of 10 for Rubens (Driver Ratings #11 - Silverstone)

Post by Paul » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:38:32



Quote:

>He ran off the track all on his own! When does it become driver error in
>your book? When he lands the car in the grandstands?

He hit one of the rumble-strips which should *not* have broken his
suspension... as BAR themselves say. As, indeed, many of the other cars
did and got away with.

JB is blasting JV into the weeds this season, not unexpectedly. Which is
a shame, as I used to admire JV from his CART and Williams days. Now, I
think he's lost it.
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10 out of 10 for Rubens (Driver Ratings #11 - Silverstone)

Post by HooDooWitc » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:54:35


Quote:


>> <snip>
>>> 8  Button

>> Fastest of the non-Ferrous B'stones most of the weekend. Only
>> qualifies last due to mechanical breakage[1] and comes from last to
>> points position *twice* in the race (despite BAR-coloured roadblocks)
>> and he gets an 8?

>> [1] driver-induced mechanical break, but still mechanical. ;)

>He ran off the track all on his own! When does it become driver error in
>your book? When he lands the car in the grandstands?

In my book, it's a mechanical break when Dave Richards says on TV that
it's a mechanical break. YMMV ;)

Quote:
>>> 7  Villeneuve

>> So it's now 7, just for turning up?

>Gee, he should get a 9 just for daring to race with that Ferrari...

So that'll mean Jenson should get 2 extra points too ;)

Quote:
>> Qualifies 9th and finishes 10th.

>Mechanical breakage. What's good for Button is good for Villie innit?
>And he would've finished 8th if his boss hadn't had his favourite
>driver out of the pits first in the last round of pit stops...

I don't know the Out-lap & In-lap times, or total pit times, so I'll
concede, started 9th, finished 9th - still shite and "nill pointes" in
anyone's book.

Quote:
>> Thank f*ck he didn't finish in the points otherwise we might have had
>> two 10s on the board.

>JV get a 10 from Autosport? In your dreams...

>> In fact, whilst I'm on my impartial ;) high horse about these two ...
>> JV outqualifies JB 6-5. This includes the mech. break and Monaco where
>> JB didn't even turn a wheel. What's all that about then?

>Didn't turn a wheel? In Monaco Button smashed a perfectly good car in
>the Armco and nearly killed himself in Friday qualifying but that one
>doesn't count either I guess...

I'll qualify "Didn't turn a wheel *in final qualifying*". IIRC he was
3rd on Friday qual? Should be 5-5.

As an aside:
I get the feeling that JB was only saying "I want to race" after the
incident 'cos that's what all racers say. Anything less and he'd be a
3-year-old's nightie. I think deep down he was prolly glad that Sid
said no-go for a week or two.

Quote:
>>> Note: These are not my ratings, and I don't necessarily agree with
>>> them, I'm just posting them to give _you_ the chance to disagree.

>> Chance taken, thanks ;)

>No pain no gain.

"If she don't drive you crazy, I guarantee you'll be
close enough to walk" ;)

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10 out of 10 for Rubens (Driver Ratings #11 - Silverstone)

Post by powertrai » Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:10:02

Quote:



>> He ran off the track all on his own! When does it become driver
>> error in your book? When he lands the car in the grandstands?

> He hit one of the rumble-strips which should *not* have broken his
> suspension... as BAR themselves say. As, indeed, many of the other
> cars did and got away with.

> JB is blasting JV into the weeds this season, not unexpectedly.

Right. That's exactly what his boss wants, so no surprise there...

Quote:
> Which
> is a shame, as I used to admire JV from his CART and Williams days.
> Now, I think he's lost it.

Given the environmment, the politics, the lack of support, the odds
stacked up against him this year, no surprise there either.
 
 
 

10 out of 10 for Rubens (Driver Ratings #11 - Silverstone)

Post by powertrai » Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:34:48

Quote:




>>> <snip>
>>>> 8  Button

>>> Fastest of the non-Ferrous B'stones most of the weekend. Only
>>> qualifies last due to mechanical breakage[1] and comes from last to
>>> points position *twice* in the race (despite BAR-coloured
>>> roadblocks) and he gets an 8?

>>> [1] driver-induced mechanical break, but still mechanical. ;)

>> He ran off the track all on his own! When does it become driver
>> error in your book? When he lands the car in the grandstands?

> In my book, it's a mechanical break when Dave Richards says on TV that
> it's a mechanical break. YMMV ;)

You are David Richards AICM5UKP. You really think Richards is going to
blame anything on his pony? Look again, Button ran off the track and hit
the outside of the border from the gravel trap returning the car to the
black stuff as described by Geoff Willis who seems to be the only one
few left in this team who calls it like it is: "Unfortunately, Jenson
ran slightly wide on the exit of Becketts, hit the kerb rather hard and
the front-left push-rod failed." In simpleer terms: he broke the ***in
thing.

Quote:
>>>> 7  Villeneuve

>>> So it's now 7, just for turning up?

>> Gee, he should get a 9 just for daring to race with that Ferrari...

> So that'll mean Jenson should get 2 extra points too ;)

Why not? He had a great race...

Quote:
>>> Qualifies 9th and finishes 10th.

>> Mechanical breakage. What's good for Button is good for Villie innit?
>> And he would've finished 8th if his boss hadn't had his favourite
>> driver out of the pits first in the last round of pit stops...

> I don't know the Out-lap & In-lap times, or total pit times, so I'll
> concede, started 9th, finished 9th - still shite and "nill pointes" in
> anyone's book.

8th if his team has him back out in front where he was before his
stop...
 
 
 

10 out of 10 for Rubens (Driver Ratings #11 - Silverstone)

Post by HooDooWitc » Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:51:39


Quote:




>>>> <snip>
>>>>> 8  Button

>>>> Fastest of the non-Ferrous B'stones most of the weekend. Only
>>>> qualifies last due to mechanical breakage[1] and comes from last to
>>>> points position *twice* in the race (despite BAR-coloured
>>>> roadblocks) and he gets an 8?

>>>> [1] driver-induced mechanical break, but still mechanical. ;)

>>> He ran off the track all on his own! When does it become driver
>>> error in your book? When he lands the car in the grandstands?

>> In my book, it's a mechanical break when Dave Richards says on TV that
>> it's a mechanical break. YMMV ;)

>You are David Richards AICM5UKP. You really think Richards is going to
>blame anything on his pony? Look again, Button ran off the track and hit
>the outside of the border from the gravel trap returning the car to the
>black stuff

<snip>

Look again, you'll see the smiley at the end of the original
clarification. Yes, I really do think it was "my Jensy's fault" but
you'll never get me to admit it. ;)

<snip>

Quote:
>> I don't know the Out-lap & In-lap times, or total pit times, so I'll
>> concede, started 9th, finished 9th - still shite and "nill pointes" in
>> anyone's book.

>8th if his team has him back out in front where he was before his
>stop...

C'mon, meet me half-way here. 9th, and that's my final offer ;)

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