M.Schu. contract w/Ferrari

M.Schu. contract w/Ferrari

Post by William Welh » Thu, 18 Sep 1997 04:00:00


    Does anyone know when Schumacher's contract is up with Ferrari? If
it ends after the '99 season, do you think Williams would try to sign
him with help from BMW? Why doesn't Porsche construct chassis and
engines for F1? Ferrari v. Porsche could be an interesting battle for
the constructors title.

Billy

 
 
 

M.Schu. contract w/Ferrari

Post by David Bisho » Thu, 18 Sep 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>     Does anyone know when Schumacher's contract is up with Ferrari?
If
> it ends after the '99 season, do you think Williams would try to sign
> him with help from BMW? Why doesn't Porsche construct chassis and
> engines for F1? Ferrari v. Porsche could be an interesting battle for
> the constructors title.

> Billy

His contract runs through the 1999 season. I could see him try to
(hopefully)
defend his title in 98, and be a repeat champion with Ferrari. His past
connections with Mercedes (IMHO) would make him a more likely McLaren
driver than Williams-BMW.
The last time Porsche tried to do an F1 engine (with Footwork, AKA
Arrows)
they built a boat-anchor V10. It was overly heavy and underpowered and
such
an embarrassment that they pulled out of F1. I could see the
VW-Porsche-Audi
company come into F1 some day, but I doubt it would be under the
Porsche
banner. I think Audi would more likely be the banner they'd use.
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Post by Tom Hie » Thu, 18 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> His contract runs through the 1999 season. I could see him try to
> (hopefully)
> defend his title in 98, and be a repeat champion with Ferrari. His past
> connections with Mercedes (IMHO) would make him a more likely McLaren
> driver than Williams-BMW.
> The last time Porsche tried to do an F1 engine (with Footwork, AKA
> Arrows) they built a boat-anchor V10. It was overly heavy and underpowered
> and such an embarrassment that they pulled out of F1. I could see the
> VW-Porsche-Audi company come into F1 some day, but I doubt it would be under
> the Porsche  banner. I think Audi would more likely be the banner they'd use.

Despite wide held belief, Porsche is not, nor has ever been, owned by
VW/Audi. They were entirely owned by the Porsche and Piech families
until the mid eighties when some non-voting stock was sold. They are
still owned in the majority by these two families.

Porsche designed the beetle before WWII and did all of the engineering
for VW until 1972, and continues as an outside consultant, as it does
to dozens of other automakers. They entered into a USA
importation/marketing/servicing arrangement with VW in the seventies,
as well as sharing some factory capacity and components in the eighties
which led to the rumours that they are one.

Tom

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Post by Chris and Helen Bran » Thu, 18 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Schuey as I understand it is contracted with Ferrari until the end of the
1999 season for huge amounts of cash. That is one reason Williams won't
get him MONEY.

Quote:

>     Does anyone know when Schumacher's contract is up with Ferrari? If
> it ends after the '99 season, do you think Williams would try to sign
> him with help from BMW? Why doesn't Porsche construct chassis and
> engines for F1? Ferrari v. Porsche could be an interesting battle for
> the constructors title.

> Billy

 
 
 

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Post by Mark J. Fruscian » Thu, 18 Sep 1997 04:00:00

->Porsche designed the beetle before WWII

The Tiger tank too, IIRC...

->and did all of the engineering
->for VW until 1972, and continues as an outside consultant, as it does
->to dozens of other automakers. They entered into a USA
->importation/marketing/servicing arrangement with VW in the seventies,
->as well as sharing some factory capacity and components in the eighties

Ah yes, the "Porsche" with the Audi engine and ancilliaries, and the VW Bug rear
axle... Who could forget.  I'd say that's a bit closer than merely technical
consultancy.

->which led to the rumours that they are one.


->Check out my vintage race pics at:
->www.public.iastate.edu/~thiett

Mark
http://www.pipeline.com/~opus

" 'Skeletons in the closet ?', hell:  I got skeletons running around
raiding leftovers from the 'fridge'..."  - Jimmy James

 
 
 

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Post by Tom Hie » Thu, 18 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


> ->Porsche designed the beetle before WWII

> The Tiger tank too, IIRC...

Plus the Kubelwagon, Schwimwagon, Leopard tank, Ferdinand tank, various
motorized gun transports during the war, and more. They are still deeply
involved in the development of the current german military vehicles. Their
development facility at Weissach has a tank trail...

Quote:
> ->and did all of the engineering
> ->for VW until 1972, and continues as an outside consultant, as it does
> ->to dozens of other automakers. They entered into a USA
> ->importation/marketing/servicing arrangement with VW in the seventies,
> ->as well as sharing some factory capacity and components in the eighties

> Ah yes, the "Porsche" with the Audi engine and ancilliaries, and the VW Bug
> rear axle... Who could forget.  I'd say that's a bit closer than merely
> technical consultancy.

Ferdinand Piech has been employed at the top level of VW-AUDI forever.
He's part of the Porsche-Piech family that owns most of Porsche AG
(family worth rumoured at close to a half a billion dollars). This has
had a lot to do with the close ties these two companies have had for so long.

The Audi engine was used in the 924, a car Porsche originally developed
for VW and took over when VW decided not to put it in production.
Same deal with the 914 in 1969.

Tom

--

Designer-Illustrator-Modeler     Iowa State University
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Post by Ric » Thu, 18 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Don't forget that Porsche built the Mercedes 500E, a damn fast car! Porsche built
several cars for Audi, and others.. It is called a collective collaborance where
both can make some money to improve the bottom line..

Quote:


> ->Porsche designed the beetle before WWII

> The Tiger tank too, IIRC...

> ->and did all of the engineering
> ->for VW until 1972, and continues as an outside consultant, as it does
> ->to dozens of other automakers. They entered into a USA
> ->importation/marketing/servicing arrangement with VW in the seventies,
> ->as well as sharing some factory capacity and components in the eighties

> Ah yes, the "Porsche" with the Audi engine and ancilliaries, and the VW Bug rear
> axle... Who could forget.  I'd say that's a bit closer than merely technical
> consultancy.

> ->which led to the rumours that they are one.


> ->Check out my vintage race pics at:
> ->www.public.iastate.edu/~thiett

> Mark
> http://www.pipeline.com/~opus

> " 'Skeletons in the closet ?', hell:  I got skeletons running around
> raiding leftovers from the 'fridge'..."  - Jimmy James

 
 
 

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Post by Knobb » Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> The last time Porsche tried to do an F1 engine (with Footwork, AKA
> Arrows)
> they built a boat-anchor V10. It was overly heavy and underpowered and
> such
> an embarrassment that they pulled out of F1.

Just as a side note to illustrate the point that perhaps Porsche should
stick to road cars, they built/modified an engine for the Mooney aircraft
in the '80's and it ran like ***and sold even worse. I believe most of
the aircraft originally equipped with said engine, have been swapped and
fitted with the standard Continental engine.

Cheers,
Knobby

Don't get me violated, don't bend my airplane and don't cause me to lose
any bodily fluids.

 
 
 

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Post by Mark J. Fruscian » Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:00:00

->Just as a side note to illustrate the point that perhaps Porsche should
->stick to road cars, they built/modified an engine for the Mooney aircraft
->in the '80's and it ran like ***and sold even worse. I believe most of
->the aircraft originally equipped with said engine, have been swapped and
->fitted with the standard Continental engine.

I was under the impression that the installation, including the engine
management system was a great improvement performance wise.
IIRC, _Flying_ raved about them.  I would attribute poor sales and retrofits to
a high initial price premium and extraordinary rebuild costs.

Mark
http://SportToday.org/~opus

" 'Skeletons in the closet ?', hell:  I got skeletons running around
raiding leftovers from the 'fridge'..."  - Jimmy James

 
 
 

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Post by James Hu » Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>> The last time Porsche tried to do an F1 engine (with Footwork, AKA
>> Arrows)
>> they built a boat-anchor V10. It was overly heavy and underpowered and
>> such
>> an embarrassment that they pulled out of F1.

>Just as a side note to illustrate the point that perhaps Porsche should
>stick to road cars, they built/modified an engine for the Mooney aircraft
>in the '80's and it ran like ***and sold even worse. I believe most of
>the aircraft originally equipped with said engine, have been swapped and
>fitted with the standard Continental engine.

Just another side note to illustrate the point that Porsche should
perhaps come back to F1:
World Championship Drivers - 1984 (Niki Lauda), 1985 (Alain Prost),
1986 (Alain Prost).
World Championship Constructors - 1984 and 1985

All of the above with TAG Porsche engined McLarens.

1984 was particularly amazing points accumulation:
1 McLaren TAG Porsche     143.5
2 Ferrari                                 57.5
3 Lotus Renault                    47
4 Brabham BMW                  38
5 Renault                              34
6 Williams Honda                  25.5
7 Toleman Hart                     16
8 Alfa Romeo                        11
9 Arrows Ford / BMW             6
10 Ligier Renault                     3
11 Osella Alfa Romeo              2

Quote:

>Cheers,
>Knobby


David Sidwell
 
 
 

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Post by Tom Hie » Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:



> > ->Porsche designed the beetle before WWII

> > The Tiger tank too, IIRC...

> Plus the Kubelwagon, Schwimwagon, Leopard tank, Ferdinand tank, various
> motorized gun transports during the war, and more. They are still deeply
> involved in the development of the current german military vehicles. Their
> development facility at Weissach has a tank trail...

> > ->and did all of the engineering
> > ->for VW until 1972, and continues as an outside consultant, as it does
> > ->to dozens of other automakers. They entered into a USA
> > ->importation/marketing/servicing arrangement with VW in the seventies,
> > ->as well as sharing some factory capacity and components in the eighties

> > Ah yes, the "Porsche" with the Audi engine and ancilliaries, and the VW Bug
> > rear axle... Who could forget.  I'd say that's a bit closer than merely
> > technical consultancy.

Those were NOT VW Bug rear axles! They were VW Transporter (bus) axles!
If you had ever taken them out to replace the axle boots, you'd know that!  
;-)

Quote:
> Ferdinand Piech has been employed at the top level of VW-AUDI forever.
> He's part of the Porsche-Piech family that owns most of Porsche AG
> (family worth rumoured at close to a half a billion dollars). This has
> had a lot to do with the close ties these two companies have had for so long.

> The Audi engine was used in the 924, a car Porsche originally developed
> for VW and took over when VW decided not to put it in production.
> Same deal with the 914 in 1969.

Tom

--
Tom Hiett
Graphic Designer, Iowa State University
Check out my vintage race pics at:
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~thiett

 
 
 

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Post by Doug & Traci Sibali » Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


> ->Just as a side note to illustrate the point that perhaps Porsche should
> ->stick to road cars, they built/modified an engine for the Mooney aircraft
> ->in the '80's and it ran like ***and sold even worse. I believe most of
> ->the aircraft originally equipped with said engine, have been swapped and
> ->fitted with the standard Continental engine.

> I was under the impression that the installation, including the engine
> management system was a great improvement performance wise.
> IIRC, _Flying_ raved about them.  I would attribute poor sales and retrofits to
> a high initial price premium and extraordinary rebuild costs.

> Mark
> http://SportToday.org/~opus

> " 'Skeletons in the closet ?', hell:  I got skeletons running around
> raiding leftovers from the 'fridge'..."  - Jimmy James

The Continental 360 cu. in. flat six was an excellent engine that never
should have been replaced with a Porsche 6-cyl.  Mooney didn't know what
they were getting into.