Ciau Ferrari

Ciau Ferrari

Post by Mike Well » Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:00:00


I'm sure all of Italy is more than wincing at this future possibility: a 20%
buyout of Fiat SpA by GM, with an expected 30% additional purchase down the
road. The other mentioned possibility is a near total buyout by
Daimler-Chrysler AG, leaving Fiat with a 12% share. If either materializes
it'll make the tifosi...err...the Chevettes?

Not exactly what you would say "mama mia!"...

-Mike Wells

 
 
 

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Post by volcan » Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:00:00

...you guys are idiots if you think any large manufacturer is going to come
in and "F" with Ferrari.  If anything they would just pump more money into
the company and its racing programs--similar to what Ford has done for
Austin Martin and Jaguar.  Jaguar was dead and Austin Martin on the way out
when Ford stepped in.  Lamborghini was in the same straits when Chrysler
stepped in and Lamborghini was able to introduce the Diablo.  Besides, its
only a 20% ownership and no one is anticipating the push-rod V-8 in a
"Ferrari Corvette"  any time soon.  Get real.


Quote:
> I'm sure all of Italy is more than wincing at this future possibility: a
20%
> buyout of Fiat SpA by GM, with an expected 30% additional purchase down
the
> road. The other mentioned possibility is a near total buyout by
> Daimler-Chrysler AG, leaving Fiat with a 12% share. If either materializes
> it'll make the tifosi...err...the Chevettes?

> Not exactly what you would say "mama mia!"...

> -Mike Wells


 
 
 

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Post by Mrv » Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> I'm sure all of Italy is more than wincing at this future possibility: a 20%
> buyout of Fiat SpA by GM, with an expected 30% additional purchase down the
> road. The other mentioned possibility is a near total buyout by
> Daimler-Chrysler AG, leaving Fiat with a 12% share. If either materializes
> it'll make the tifosi...err...the Chevettes?

> Not exactly what you would say "mama mia!"...

> -Mike Wells

Wrong.  For the last ***en time.  Ferrari are not included in any Fiat
mergers!!!  Are you guys on this NG dense!!!

 
 
 

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Post by MJF 20 » Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
>...you guys are idiots if you think any large manufacturer is going to come
>in and "F" with Ferrari.  If anything they would just pump more money into
>the company and its racing programs--similar to what Ford has done for
>Austin Martin and Jaguar.  Jaguar was dead and Austin Martin on the way out
>when Ford stepped in.  Lamborghini was in the same straits when Chrysler
>stepped in and Lamborghini was able to introduce the Diablo.  Besides, its
>only a 20% ownership and no one is anticipating the push-rod V-8 in a
>"Ferrari Corvette"  any time soon.  Get real.

Who is Austin Martin ?

Mark
www.pipeline.com/~opus

"If Al***invented the Internet, then I invented spellcheck!"
  -  Dan Quayle, quoted at the National Press Club, 8/3/1999

 
 
 

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Post by MJF 20 » Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Quote:


>> I'm sure all of Italy is more than wincing at this future possibility: a 20%
>> buyout of Fiat SpA by GM, with an expected 30% additional purchase down the
>> road. The other mentioned possibility is a near total buyout by
>> Daimler-Chrysler AG, leaving Fiat with a 12% share. If either materializes
>> it'll make the tifosi...err...the Chevettes?

>> Not exactly what you would say "mama mia!"...

>Wrong.  For the last ***en time.  Ferrari are not included in any Fiat
>mergers!!!  Are you guys on this NG dense!!!

Some of them would make fine armor piercing projectiles.

Mark
www.pipeline.com/~opus

"If Al***invented the Internet, then I invented spellcheck!"
  -  Dan Quayle, quoted at the National Press Club, 8/3/1999

 
 
 

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Post by MJF 20 » Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:00:00



"Ciau" ?  Herr Einstein ?

Mark
www.pipeline.com/~opus

WARNING:  Objects In Mirror May Be Dumber Than They Appear.

 
 
 

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Post by Eddie Dubour » Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:00:00


Quote:


> >> I'm sure all of Italy is more than wincing at this future possibility:
a 20%
> >> buyout of Fiat SpA by GM................................If either
materializes
> >> it'll make the tifosi...err...the Chevettes?

> >Wrong.  For the last ***en time.  Ferrari are not included in any Fiat
> >mergers!!!  Are you guys on this NG dense!!!

> Some of them would make fine armor piercing projectiles.

MRV and MJF are correct

Just for confirmation
http://SportToday.org/
e=true&tagid=ZZZEH1VYA0C&subheading=autos

About halfway down:-

"But Paolo Cantarella, Fiat chief executive, said the deal would enable it
to return to the US using the GM distribution network, and he expected Alfa
Romeo to lead the US comeback.

Fiat's Ferrari and Maserati sports car operations are not included in the
partnership. "

E

 
 
 

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Post by Willette, Chris [CAR:9Q34:EXCH » Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Sorry, Ferrari is part of the Fiat deal, what the big deal anyways,
GM owns a number of car makers and you don't see a name change
there, it was business as usual.  Did Ford make Jaguar change
its name, NO. Did Chrysler demand Mercedes change their name NO.
Don't worry GM doesn't have controlling interest in Fiat, so they won't
demand Ferrari change their name to Chevrolet-Ferrari or Chevrolet-Fiat,
that won't happen until GM acquires the additional 31% of Fiat. LOL
Quote:


> > I'm sure all of Italy is more than wincing at this future possibility: a 20%
> > buyout of Fiat SpA by GM, with an expected 30% additional purchase down the
> > road. The other mentioned possibility is a near total buyout by
> > Daimler-Chrysler AG, leaving Fiat with a 12% share. If either materializes
> > it'll make the tifosi...err...the Chevettes?

> > Not exactly what you would say "mama mia!"...

> > -Mike Wells

> Wrong.  For the last ***en time.  Ferrari are not included in any Fiat
> mergers!!!  Are you guys on this NG dense!!!

 
 
 

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Post by Mrv » Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Sorry, Ferrari is part of the Fiat deal, what the big deal anyways,
> GM owns a number of car makers and you don't see a name change
> there, it was business as usual.  Did Ford make Jaguar change
> its name, NO. Did Chrysler demand Mercedes change their name NO.
> Don't worry GM doesn't have controlling interest in Fiat, so they won't
> demand Ferrari change their name to Chevrolet-Ferrari or Chevrolet-Fiat,
> that won't happen until GM acquires the additional 31% of Fiat. LOL



> > > I'm sure all of Italy is more than wincing at this future possibility: a 20%
> > > buyout of Fiat SpA by GM, with an expected 30% additional purchase down the
> > > road. The other mentioned possibility is a near total buyout by
> > > Daimler-Chrysler AG, leaving Fiat with a 12% share. If either materializes
> > > it'll make the tifosi...err...the Chevettes?

> > > Not exactly what you would say "mama mia!"...

> > > -Mike Wells

> > Wrong.  For the last ***en time.  Ferrari are not included in any Fiat
> > mergers!!!  Are you guys on this NG dense!!!

You know what I can't believe the ignorance of people in this Ng.    So here, I aint
go to translate this from the Gazzetta it is your problem but for once and for all
FERRARI are not INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE.

QUI MARANELLO
     ?Un accordo importante
     per Ferrari e Maserati?

     Il presidente Montezemolo spiega: ?Restiamo totalmente indipendenti. Ma in
futuro avremo vantaggi sulle tecnologie?
     La Fiat vende il 20 per cento alla GM e i tifosi del Cavallino si chiedono
allarmati: che fine far la Ferrari? Nessuna paura,
     dicono da Torino, ma anche da Maranello. ?La Ferrari, al pari della Maserati
che al cento per cento nostra, resta fuori da
     qualunque  patto o accordo fra Fiat e General Motors racconta da Maranello il
presidente Luca di Montezemolo .
    Noi apparteniamo infatti al Gruppo,  non alla Fiat Auto?. Tradotto in parole
povere significa che la fabbrica   di
    Maranello, sia  per le corse sia per la produzione, al pari del Tridente di
Modena, manterr la sua totale autonomia
    finanziaria ed operativa. Quella che le ha garantito in questi ultimi anni
risultati in crescendo in Formula 1 e vendite e bilanci
    da record sul mercato delle sue esclusive berlinette sportive. Un percorso che
Maranello sta ripercorrendo anche
    per la ex rivale Maserati, in pieno rilancio produttivo.  ?Anzi sottolinea
ancora il numero uno della Ferrari questo
    accordo Fiat-GM estremamente positivo per noi perch ci consentir di accedere
al mondo del primo costruttore
     automobilistico sul pianeta. Un aspetto che ci metter a contatto anche con i
fornitori del primo Gruppo mondiale, con
     evidenti ricadute positive. Ferrari e Maserati infatti potranno accedere alle
tecnologie innovative che il mercato statunitense
     potr offrire da qui in poi?. Dunque nessun allarme per il futuro della Ferrari
da corsa che ha aperto la stagione di F.1
     sbancando Melbourne e infliggendo un secco 16-0 alla rivale McLaren-Mercedes.
In questi mesi Torino e Maranello
     hanno  sempre garantito che nulla sarebbe cambiato per le rosse. Proprio quello
che ieri gli italiani volevano sapere.

 
 
 

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Post by Barry Posne » Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>  MRV and MJF are correct

An unprecedented statement, if ever there was one.

bp

 
 
 

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Post by Mrv » Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Quote:


> >  MRV and MJF are correct

> An unprecedented statement, if ever there was one.

> bp

I have to be right some time.
 
 
 

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Post by Joona Vaini » Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Quote:



> > >  MRV and MJF are correct

> > An unprecedented statement, if ever there was one.

> > bp

> I have to be right some time.

Then again, "correct" can also mean something else than being accurate
in some fact or prediction per se.

Just kidding. Naturally.

-lark-

 
 
 

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Post by Bob Hellan » Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
> I have to be right some time.

Hell, even *I* hit on a prediction last week!!

(I'm, by the way, quite hesitant to let that one go.  Obviously)

-Bob  (Prognosticator)

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Well » Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:00:00

And what is this business about Einstein?

Lead off with any statement, conjecture, theory, whatever (except religion,
human ignorance and world peace) that you want of the great man: i.e.
general or special relativity.

It is after all two weeks until the next race.

-Mike Wells


Quote:


> "Ciau" ?  Herr Einstein ?

A glaring omission of the proper 'o', I'll happily admit. But it should have
been "Arrivederci" if all else. If it isn't Italian it isn't Ferrari.
Although some people insist on avowing that buying 20% in FIAT (with a
possible 30% more on the way), which owns Ferrari, is for some reason not
owning a part of Ferrari. And what is this about Einstein? Is there
something about the great man you'd like to add?

-Mike Wells

WARNING:  Objects In Mirror _Are_ Dumber Than They Appear.