No Offical Protest From Ferrari?

No Offical Protest From Ferrari?

Post by Vic Elfor » Wed, 26 May 2004 22:31:45


Not that it would do any good, but if Montoya were at complete fault
for the shunt, why no protest from Ferrari for consideration of future
penalties? In their press releases and web scribbling's , they have
made it clear enough that they were innocent of any blame. Me thinks
they do protest too much?

Is it they don't want to explain 50 meters of tyre marks?

 
 
 

No Offical Protest From Ferrari?

Post by Alessandro D. Petacci » Wed, 26 May 2004 23:58:31



Quote:
>Not that it would do any good, but if Montoya were at complete fault
>for the shunt,

I really don't get it. Ferrari never said JPM was at complete fault;
as a matter of fact, they never said he was at fault, period.

So exactly what is your point?

ADP.

 
 
 

No Offical Protest From Ferrari?

Post by F2004: 5 of 6 » Thu, 27 May 2004 00:55:59



Quote:
>Not that it would do any good, but if Montoya were at complete fault
>for the shunt, why no protest from Ferrari for consideration of future
>penalties? In their press releases and web scribbling's , they have
>made it clear enough that they were innocent of any blame. Me thinks
>they do protest too much?

>Is it they don't want to explain 50 meters of tyre marks?

The FIA are not going to penalize Montoya/Williams.  

The race can not be re-run.

...Why waste the time and effort tilting at Britain's windmills?

 
 
 

No Offical Protest From Ferrari?

Post by C Stor » Thu, 27 May 2004 00:58:03



Quote:


>>Not that it would do any good, but if Montoya were at complete fault
>>for the shunt, why no protest from Ferrari for consideration of future
>>penalties? In their press releases and web scribbling's , they have
>>made it clear enough that they were innocent of any blame. Me thinks
>>they do protest too much?

>>Is it they don't want to explain 50 meters of tyre marks?

> The FIA are not going to penalize Montoya/Williams.  

They penalized Ralf Schumacher 10 places in the starting lineup.

And Montoya was penalized once, if not twice last
year for altercations with Schumacher ..

Quote:

> The race can not be re-run.

> ...Why waste the time and effort tilting at Britain's windmills?

Yes, of course .. it's "All Britain's Fault ..."
 
 
 

No Offical Protest From Ferrari?

Post by Vic Elfor » Thu, 27 May 2004 01:36:36

On Tue, 25 May 2004 15:55:59 GMT, "F2004: 5 of 6*"

Quote:

>The FIA are not going to penalize Montoya/Williams.  

Nope.

Quote:

>The race can not be re-run.

Of course not.

Quote:

>...Why waste the time and effort tilting at Britain's windmills?

Yes, you are right, but it would serve notice for future altercations.
But I guess penalty or not, it will be noted if something like it
happens again.
 
 
 

No Offical Protest From Ferrari?

Post by Vic Elfor » Thu, 27 May 2004 01:40:12

On Tue, 25 May 2004 14:58:31 GMT, Alessandro D. Petaccia

Quote:



>>Not that it would do any good, but if Montoya were at complete fault
>>for the shunt,

>I really don't get it. Ferrari never said JPM was at complete fault;
>as a matter of fact, they never said he was at fault, period.

'...So the situation is that the race leader was knocked out of the
race after being hit by a back marker. ' MS

Quote:

>So exactly what is your point?

If he felt he was so innocent, why no protest. What are they afraid
of?
 
 
 

No Offical Protest From Ferrari?

Post by Barry Posne » Thu, 27 May 2004 01:53:23

Quote:

> '...So the situation is that the race leader was knocked out of the
> race after being hit by a back marker. ' MS

MS drove into Montoya, who was taking evasive action.

Montoya was able to avoid hitting MS after MS came to a virtual
standstill in the middle of the track, but was unable to avoid MS after
MS steered into him.

Schumi was bound and determined to have a collision with JPM. There's
little anybody else can do when MS puts his mind to something.

bp

 
 
 

No Offical Protest From Ferrari?

Post by Pope Matthew, » Thu, 27 May 2004 02:15:30


Quote:


>> '...So the situation is that the race leader was knocked out of the
>> race after being hit by a back marker. ' MS

> MS drove into Montoya, who was taking evasive action.

> Montoya was able to avoid hitting MS after MS came to a virtual
> standstill in the middle of the track, but was unable to avoid MS
> after MS steered into him.

> Schumi was bound and determined to have a collision with JPM. There's
> little anybody else can do when MS puts his mind to something.

> bp

(Ignoring your obvious cynicism here...)

I doubt he was bound and determined to have a collision with JPM. I
think Michael was surprised to have JPM on his right like that.

There was nothing deliberate about it... just two drivers ***ed up, but
the lead driver ***ed up more. Could it get any simpler?

--
Cheers,

Matt Pope

April 8th, 1994
April 30th, 1994
May 1st, 1994

 
 
 

No Offical Protest From Ferrari?

Post by Vic Elfor » Thu, 27 May 2004 02:11:22



Quote:


>> '...So the situation is that the race leader was knocked out of the
>> race after being hit by a back marker. ' MS

>MS drove into Montoya, who was taking evasive action.

>Montoya was able to avoid hitting MS after MS came to a virtual
>standstill in the middle of the track, but was unable to avoid MS after
>MS steered into him.

>Schumi was bound and determined to have a collision with JPM. There's
>little anybody else can do when MS puts his mind to something.

Well...you have my convinced, now! You posted this explanation Sunday,
and I didn't buy it. But after serious reflection, it adds up.

He knew he wasn't going to win, so crash out by having the "hothead"
shunt you. He didn't count on those great "hothead" reflexes , so when
Montoya pulled alongside, Michael's natural instinct took over and
CHOP.

He knows he will take the championship this year, so the loss of a few
points will not change anything. It would have the added effect of
making his rival look bad...

IF IT WERE NOT FOR THOSE STINKING CAMERAS.

 
 
 

No Offical Protest From Ferrari?

Post by Barry Posne » Thu, 27 May 2004 02:25:01

Quote:

> There was nothing deliberate about it... just two drivers ***ed up, but
> the lead driver ***ed up more. Could it get any simpler?

With Michael Schumacher, nothing happens by accident.

I think it is far beyond the purview of us mere mortals to attempt to
interpret the meaning of Lord God Michael's actions. He moves in ways we
find mysterious, but in the end, the underlying foundation of it all
will be revealed to us. All in good time, though.

In the meantime, we should all just shut up and be dutifully respectful
worshippers he demands that we be.

Otherwise, off with yer head.

bp

 
 
 

No Offical Protest From Ferrari?

Post by Pope Matthew, » Thu, 27 May 2004 02:38:33


Quote:


>> There was nothing deliberate about it... just two drivers ***ed up, but
>> the lead driver ***ed up more. Could it get any simpler?

> With Michael Schumacher, nothing happens by accident.

> I think it is far beyond the purview of us mere mortals to attempt to
> interpret the meaning of Lord God Michael's actions. He moves in ways we
> find mysterious, but in the end, the underlying foundation of it all
> will be revealed to us. All in good time, though.

> In the meantime, we should all just shut up and be dutifully respectful
> worshippers he demands that we be.

> Otherwise, off with yer head.

> bp

Long live Formula Michael !!!

--
Cheers,

Matt Pope

April 8th, 1994
April 30th, 1994
May 1st, 1994

 
 
 

No Offical Protest From Ferrari?

Post by Alessandro D. Petacci » Thu, 27 May 2004 06:02:23



Quote:
>On Tue, 25 May 2004 14:58:31 GMT, Alessandro D. Petaccia



>>>Not that it would do any good, but if Montoya were at complete fault
>>>for the shunt,

>>I really don't get it. Ferrari never said JPM was at complete fault;
>>as a matter of fact, they never said he was at fault, period.

>'...So the situation is that the race leader was knocked out of the
>race after being hit by a back marker. ' MS

Yes. MS said that. Scuderia Ferrari did not. You are a little
confused, it would seem, so allow me to explain:
Ferrari = team, MS = driver. Team can complain; driver can not.

Once again: what is exactly your point?

ADP.

 
 
 

No Offical Protest From Ferrari?

Post by Vic Elfor » Thu, 27 May 2004 06:52:32

On Tue, 25 May 2004 21:02:23 GMT, Alessandro D. Petaccia

Quote:

>Yes. MS said that. Scuderia Ferrari did not. You are a little
>confused, it would seem, so allow me to explain:
>Ferrari = team, MS = driver. Team can complain; driver can not.

Yes, yes, you are completely correct and I am completely wrong. MS and
Ferrari probably don't even know each other. He has not complained.

The team was very low key in voicing their opinions concerning the
matter. The only information I could find about the race, except
interviews from those who are merely a small part of  the team was
this:

"Teammate Michael Schumacher retired after 45 laps when he was nudged
into the barriers from behind during a safety car period."

Since you state they are not blaming Montoya, I wonder who they think
the nudge was?

Quote:
>Once again: what is exactly your point?

It is still "No Official Protest From Ferrari?". I would protest. Why
don't they?
 
 
 

No Offical Protest From Ferrari?

Post by F2004: 5 of 6 » Thu, 27 May 2004 08:16:56


Quote:



>>>Not that it would do any good, but if Montoya were at complete fault
>>>for the shunt, why no protest from Ferrari for consideration of future
>>>penalties? In their press releases and web scribbling's , they have
>>>made it clear enough that they were innocent of any blame. Me thinks
>>>they do protest too much?

>>>Is it they don't want to explain 50 meters of tyre marks?

>> The FIA are not going to penalize Montoya/Williams.  

>They penalized Ralf Schumacher 10 places in the starting lineup.

A)  Under which ***ed school of logic does "Ralf Schumacher" =
"Montoya/Williams"?

B)  Ralf's penalty was not subject to discretion.

Quote:
>And Montoya was penalized once, if not twice last
>year for altercations with Schumacher ..

...Which should effect last Sunday's stewards' decisions, how?

Quote:
>> The race can not be re-run.
>> ...Why waste the time and effort tilting at Britain's windmills?
>Yes, of course .. it's "All Britain's Fault ..."

Using logic and reason:  Explain Montoya's lack of penalty at Monaco
as anything other than "favorite nation" politics.

..._Using_ logic and reason.

 
 
 

No Offical Protest From Ferrari?

Post by F2004: 5 of 6 » Thu, 27 May 2004 08:17:04



Quote:
>On Tue, 25 May 2004 15:55:59 GMT, "F2004: 5 of 6*"

>>The FIA are not going to penalize Montoya/Williams.  
>Nope.
>>The race can not be re-run.
>Of course not.
>>...Why waste the time and effort tilting at Britain's windmills?

>Yes, you are right, but it would serve notice for future altercations.

Only if coupled to some actual penalty then.

Quote:
>But I guess penalty or not, it will be noted if something like it
>happens again.

Montoya has made his F1 career of punting Ferraris off the track:  
The only official notice I've noticed seems to be approving
forbearance.