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by **Alan Pengel** » Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Well after a good year where MS seems to been relatively quiet
he (apparently) has decided that he can no longer resist a dig
at his fellow drivers. The first is that he thinks Hill didn't
join Jordan through fear of being beaten by Schumacher Jnr. Well
coming from a guy who refuses to join a team where he doesn't have
#1 status that's a bit rich to say the least. And given that RS
has been pretty much out-performed by Fisichella it is also
probably untrue.

The second is that he thinks Villineuve is "fairly fast". I like
the comment in Autosport (where this was reported) which said "and
the Pope is a little bit Catholic".

Alan

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by **Steve Glenist** » Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>Well after a good year where MS seems to been relatively quiet
>he (apparently) has decided that he can no longer resist a dig
>at his fellow drivers. The first is that he thinks Hill didn't
>join Jordan through fear of being beaten by Schumacher Jnr. Well
>coming from a guy who refuses to join a team where he doesn't have
>#1 status that's a bit rich to say the least. And given that RS
>has been pretty much out-performed by Fisichella it is also
>probably untrue.

He has been strange;y quiete hasn't he. So, I wonder if Schumacher Snr would
join Jordan or would he be scared of Baby Schumacher too?

by **Tanni Mik** » Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:00:00

: Well after a good year where MS seems to been relatively quiet
: he (apparently) has decided that he can no longer resist a dig
: at his fellow drivers. The first is that he thinks Hill didn't
: join Jordan through fear of being beaten by Schumacher Jnr. Well
That was propably another reason, other reason was maybe Bridgestones.

: coming from a guy who refuses to join a team where he doesn't have
: #1 status that's a bit rich to say the least. And given that RS
: has been pretty much out-performed by Fisichella it is also
: probably untrue.
Out-performed? Average gap between RS and Fisichella is 0.127 seconds
after Spain (Ralf has been faster). I think they've been quite equal.

: The second is that he thinks Villineuve is "fairly fast". I like
Isn't Villeneuve fairly fast then? I think he is. Oh I see what you mean,
well I think it's good that someone forget's this "new Fangio, Senna or
Clark" talk.

by **John Gibso** » Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:00:00

:Well after a good year where MS seems to been relatively quiet
:he (apparently) has decided that he can no longer resist a dig
:at his fellow drivers. The first is that he thinks Hill didn't
:join Jordan through fear of being beaten by Schumacher Jnr. Well
:coming from a guy who refuses to join a team where he doesn't have
:#1 status that's a bit rich to say the least. And given that RS
:has been pretty much out-performed by Fisichella it is also
:probably untrue.
:
:The second is that he thinks Villineuve is "fairly fast". I like
:the comment in Autosport (where this was reported) which said "and
:the Pope is a little bit Catholic".
:
:Alan

Well ol' Mickey the Shoe can't resist his bit of fun. Could this be to
deflect attention away from the sact that Fisi and ralf are pretty much
of the sdame standard. Ralf is hardly blowing him away.

The Sunday Telegraph reported that no other driver apart from Ralf in
recent memory had come into F1 and performed so faultlessly since Michael
himself. So it looks as if the Jordan "incident" at Buenos Aires was a
faultless, brilliant piece of driving.

The British press has a tendency to take sly digs at Damon Hill and this
could be interpreted as one - the article gave the impression that the
reporter wholeheartedly agreed that Ralf would demolish Hill.

JOHN

by **Graham Shevli** » Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>Well after a good year where MS seems to been relatively quiet
>he (apparently) has decided that he can no longer resist a dig
>at his fellow drivers. The first is that he thinks Hill didn't
>join Jordan through fear of being beaten by Schumacher Jnr. Well
>coming from a guy who refuses to join a team where he doesn't have
>#1 status that's a bit rich to say the least.

Indeed. As I understand it, his contract with Ferrari gives him #1
status for everything - testing, spare cars, $$$$, track position, the
lot. Poor Eddie isn't allowed to overtake him in a race unless he is
in some form of trouble. If Mika Salo is thinking of joining Ferrari,
I wonder about his sanity. Has he not noticed how many drivers have
been retired from F1 by trying to work alongside Michael?
Ralf may be slightly out-qualifying Fisichella, but Giancarlo is
out-racing Ralf at present, and I firmly believe that Jordan should
have been a lot harder on Ralf when he shoved Giancarlo off the roa a
couple of races ago. That incident cost the team a whole bundle of
points.
I suspect that the reasons why Hill decided not to join Jordan were
$$$ and the fact that Jordan's 1996 car was (by common consent) not
very good. The 1997 car has definitely surprised a lot of people.
Normally you don't dig yourself out of a poor chassis mindset that
quickly (look at McLaren, who have had poor chassis for several
seasons with only slow improvements).
Graham Shevlin

"Pessimist: An optimist in full possession of the facts"
Anon

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by **Iakovos Stamouli** » Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:00:00

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Funny..... When someones is against MS the mail address will
have a .co.uk or .ac.uk....

Why don't you just watch the Grand Prix and listen to
Murray Walker's ***?????

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Quote:

> Well after a good year where MS seems to been relatively quiet
> he (apparently) has decided that he can no longer resist a dig
> at his fellow drivers. The first is that he thinks Hill didn't
> join Jordan through fear of being beaten by Schumacher Jnr. Well
> coming from a guy who refuses to join a team where he doesn't have
> #1 status that's a bit rich to say the least. And given that RS
> has been pretty much out-performed by Fisichella it is also
> probably untrue.

> The second is that he thinks Villineuve is "fairly fast". I like
> the comment in Autosport (where this was reported) which said "and
> the Pope is a little bit Catholic".

> Alan

by **Simon Cossa** » Sun, 15 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>>Well after a good year where MS seems to been relatively quiet
>>he (apparently) has decided that he can no longer resist a dig
>>at his fellow drivers. The first is that he thinks Hill didn't
>>join Jordan through fear of being beaten by Schumacher Jnr. Well
>>coming from a guy who refuses to join a team where he doesn't have
>>#1 status that's a bit rich to say the least.
>Indeed. As I understand it, his contract with Ferrari gives him #1
>status for everything - testing, spare cars, $$$$, track position, the
>lot. Poor Eddie isn't allowed to overtake him in a race unless he is
>in some form of trouble. If Mika Salo is thinking of joining Ferrari,
>I wonder about his sanity. Has he not noticed how many drivers have
>been retired from F1 by trying to work alongside Michael?
>Ralf may be slightly out-qualifying Fisichella, but Giancarlo is
>out-racing Ralf at present, and I firmly believe that Jordan should
>have been a lot harder on Ralf when he shoved Giancarlo off the roa a
>couple of races ago. That incident cost the team a whole bundle of
>points.
>I suspect that the reasons why Hill decided not to join Jordan were
>$$$ and the fact that Jordan's 1996 car was (by common consent) not
>very good. The 1997 car has definitely surprised a lot of people.
>Normally you don't dig yourself out of a poor chassis mindset that
>quickly (look at McLaren, who have had poor chassis for several
>seasons with only slow improvements).
>Graham Shevlin

Isn't Hill #1 driver at Arrows?
Obviously if you're as good as M.Schumacher you can be #1 drivre in a
team and why not!
I also think his reason for Hill not joining Jordan was valid, anyone
could see the Jordan car was improving and had a better chance than
Arrows.
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Simon Cossar Stockport, Cheshire, U.K.

by **Cary Martynui** » Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Michael is an ass and so is Schuey junior. MS is a good driver but has a
> big mouth. Ralf is fast but he has yet to prove he is a good driver.
> Fisichella was second if Friday's practice which is very good. Giancarlo
> is a breath of fresh air compared to the Schumacher's. I really enjoy
> seeing a Schumacher getting beaten by someone like Fisico who is not
> arrogant. It shows what a driver can do against a Schumacher when Team
> Willy does not rig the rules. I am sure Brundle, Herbert and Eddie could
> be or could have been closer if the contracts did not limit their access
> to testing, data and other info. Johnny was 3/10ths slower than Schu when
> he first tested with Benetton. After that team Willy kicked in and Johnny
> was slower. I am sure Damon would have been as fast if not faster than
> Ralf. Maybe Michael needs to talk about why Ralf lags Giancarlo or he
> should shut his mouth. .

I agree with most everyhting you say about Schuey, BUT....the fact that
he wasn't "right up there in practice" doesn't mean SHIT! Any driver
will be the first to tell you that. it is an obvious fact that many
teams/drivers choose practice to set the car up and experiment with
different settings for the race, particularly when the afternoon session
was rained out, and the simple fact that Schuey was trying to conserve
*** (he did have a problem with his right front near the end of the
session and felt it pointless to go out on a new set of *** when all
he could get was a couple of laps)........not to mention the fact that
the fuel loads he was practicing with where much heavier than
Giancarlo's. look at the qualifying! that is where any racer will tell
you to seperate the men from the boys!

by **Rui Pedro Mendes Salguei** » Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I suspect that the reasons why Hill decided not to join Jordan were
> $$$ and the fact that Jordan's 1996 car was (by common consent) not
> very good.

More importantly:
1 - Jordan didn't have an engine for 1998 (and still doesn't).
2 - Jordan wanted a 2-year contract.
3 - A lot of better places will be free at the end of 1997.

Basicly Eddie Jordan thought that he was in a very strong position,
since all the good seats were already filled. He expected Hill to be
forced to accept his conditions. Instead Hill went to TWR. Peugeot was
not amused, according to the French press (Peugeot blames Eddie Jordan
for his failure to hire Hill).

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by **JOHNNY B. GO** » Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:00:00

: Well after a good year where MS seems to been relatively quiet
: he (apparently) has decided that he can no longer resist a dig
: at his fellow drivers. The first is that he thinks Hill didn't
: join Jordan through fear of being beaten by Schumacher Jnr. Well
: coming from a guy who refuses to join a team where he doesn't have
: #1 status that's a bit rich to say the least. And given that RS

Well, franquely, I would find tremendly strange a driver like him to
join a team and demand an equal treatment to his team-mate... He is the Best,
he can give himself the luxury of demanding his conditions. He knows he can
join every team with such demands, so, why should he not demand for them?
Anyway, I don't think Damon joined TWR with fear from Schumie Jnr. I
think he was looking for money, since he already had the title. TW offer him
more money, so he joined his team, even knowing he was going to an
uncompetitive and new team.
Well, but it's not hard to imagine how would he been doing if he was
in Jordan, with Schumie Jr. at his side. Damon is not that far away from
Diniz (Diniz!!!), even with 1st Driver status. I believe he wouldn't be
doing very well, if he was Schumie Jr. team-mate...

: has been pretty much out-performed by Fisichella it is also
: probably untrue.

Well, Schumie Jr. is being out-performed by Fischella, but not for a
great margin. And like I said, considering the way Damon is doing against his
team-mate Diniz, it's not dificult to imagine how would he been doing with
Schumie Jr. in the same team...

: The second is that he thinks Villineuve is "fairly fast". I like
: the comment in Autosport (where this was reported) which said "and
: the Pope is a little bit Catholic".

Well, of course JV is not "fairly fast", but I think quickness is not
his strong point. Considering only quickness, JV is just good.

Johnny B. Good

by **Spid** » Wed, 18 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>o< It shows what a driver can do against a Schumacher when Team
>o<Willy does not rig the rules.

i have to know.... do you REALLY think that williams can affect the
rulesmakers in this manner? you're joking, right?

AND, if you really believe this then try to explain to me why williams
would want to favour any schumacher with it's jurymandering.

cal //\\OO//\\ from an island in the pacific

"We both leave the other room to survive." - Michael Schumacher.

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by **Paul Hatchm** » Wed, 18 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>Well after a good year where MS seems to been relatively quiet
>he (apparently) has decided that he can no longer resist a dig
>at his fellow drivers. The first is that he thinks Hill didn't
>join Jordan through fear of being beaten by Schumacher Jnr. Well
>coming from a guy who refuses to join a team where he doesn't have
>#1 status that's a bit rich to say the least. And given that RS
>has been pretty much out-performed by Fisichella it is also
>probably untrue.

Sorry?

Tell me which drive Michael has turned down because he was not given #1 status.

- Paul

by **Dieter Baurech** » Wed, 18 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> >Well after a good year where MS seems to been relatively quiet
> >he (apparently) has decided that he can no longer resist a dig
> >at his fellow drivers. The first is that he thinks Hill didn't
> >join Jordan through fear of being beaten by Schumacher Jnr. Well
> >coming from a guy who refuses to join a team where he doesn't have
> >#1 status that's a bit rich to say the least. And given that RS
> >has been pretty much out-performed by Fisichella it is also
> >probably untrue.

> Sorry?

> Tell me which drive Michael has turned down because he was not given #1 status.

> - Paul

Sorry?

Why else does MS insist on being #1 driver?

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Dieter Baurecht

by **Jamie Dye** » Wed, 18 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> >o< It shows what a driver can do against a Schumacher when Team
> >o<Willy does not rig the rules.

> i have to know.... do you REALLY think that williams can affect the
> rulesmakers in this manner? you're joking, right?

> AND, if you really believe this then try to explain to me why williams
> would want to favour any schumacher with it's jurymandering.

This is something that's puzzled me for a while - Why does Billtm118 (is
that your name or your serial code?) describe Ferrari as Team Willy? I
thought Williams was Team Willy!

JamieD.

by **Hayashi Masayos** » Wed, 18 Jun 1997 04:00:00

: The first is that he thinks Hill didn't
: join Jordan through fear of being beaten by Schumacher Jnr.

Guess who was afraid of being beaten by J. Herbert with a fair treatment.

MH

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