Ferrari may protest results says Brawn

Ferrari may protest results says Brawn

Post by Andr » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 21:59:11


According to reports in Autosport, Ferrari technical director Ross Brawn,
has admitted that the Italian champions could appeal the results of certain
races in the 2003 season due to the newly discovered non conformity of the
Michelin front tyres.

"We're not sure that the matter is closed," he told the magazine.
"Measurements were taken after the Hungarian race that clearly showed that
there were tyres above the legal limit and we've got to see what happens
because we're not happy with that situation."

Brawn revealed yesterday that they were the ones that informed the FIA about
a potential problem with the Michelin ***, causing the sports governing
body to change the interpretation of the trad regulation, measuring the
width after the race instead of before.

But now he is concerned about how long the tyres in question have been used
and claims that all they want is a level playing field.

"We just want a fair playing field, and it was clearly not a fair playing
field," he said

This coming from the king of cheats at hte Benetton days through to Ferrari.
His last line sums up the hipocrisy of the loathsome fat pig known as Ross
Brawn

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Ferrari may protest results says Brawn

Post by M S » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 22:10:35

Quote:
> According to reports in Autosport, Ferrari technical director Ross Brawn,
> has admitted that the Italian champions could appeal the results of
certain
> races in the 2003 season

Preferably those in which Ferrari sucked most

Quote:
> "We're not sure that the matter is closed," he told the magazine.
> "Measurements were taken after the Hungarian race that clearly showed that
> there were tyres above the legal limit and we've got to see what happens
> because we're not happy with that situation."

Surprise, surprise

Quote:
> Brawn revealed yesterday that they were the ones that informed the FIA
about
> a potential problem with the Michelin ***, causing the sports governing
> body to change the interpretation of the trad regulation, measuring the
> width after the race instead of before.
> But now he is concerned about how long the tyres in question have been
used
> and claims that all they want is a level playing field.
> "We just want a fair playing field, and it was clearly not a fair playing
> field," he said

> This coming from the king of cheats at hte Benetton days through to
Ferrari.
> His last line sums up the hipocrisy of the loathsome fat pig known as Ross
> Brawn

Ferrari? Aren't they the winners of the Austrian version of Fair Play
Awards?

Matthew/Poland

 
 
 

Ferrari may protest results says Brawn

Post by Mirco Dalla Lan » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 22:23:50

it's funny, for once Ferrari played by the rules and now their called
hypocrits and bad loosers when they spot cheaters

 
 
 

Ferrari may protest results says Brawn

Post by Thor » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:51:16

Quote:

> Preferably those in which Ferrari sucked most

Well, nobody will appeal against himself.

--
Thor -- Stockholm -- Sverige

 
 
 

Ferrari may protest results says Brawn

Post by Graham Hodgso » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 22:32:36

Quote:

> it's funny, for once Ferrari played by the rules and now their called
> hypocrits and bad loosers when they spot cheaters

Is that an admission that they've cheated in the past?

Cheers
Graham

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Ferrari may protest results says Brawn

Post by young » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 22:38:57

Quote:

>> According to reports in Autosport, Ferrari technical director Ross Brawn,
>> has admitted that the Italian champions could appeal the results of
>certain
>> races in the 2003 season

>Preferably those in which Ferrari sucked most

>> "We're not sure that the matter is closed," he told the magazine.
>> "Measurements were taken after the Hungarian race that clearly showed that
>> there were tyres above the legal limit and we've got to see what happens
>> because we're not happy with that situation."

>Surprise, surprise

>> Brawn revealed yesterday that they were the ones that informed the FIA
>about
>> a potential problem with the Michelin ***, causing the sports governing
>> body to change the interpretation of the trad regulation, measuring the
>> width after the race instead of before.
>> But now he is concerned about how long the tyres in question have been
>used
>> and claims that all they want is a level playing field.
>> "We just want a fair playing field, and it was clearly not a fair playing
>> field," he said

>> This coming from the king of cheats at hte Benetton days through to
>Ferrari.
>> His last line sums up the hipocrisy of the loathsome fat pig known as Ross
>> Brawn

>Ferrari? Aren't they the winners of the Austrian version of Fair Play
>Awards?

>Matthew/Poland

I almost hope they do go ahead with this as it is certainly NOT clear
cut that they would win. There are as many  people or more who have
the opinion that the regulations as written, apply to new tyres as
there are those arguing that the 2nd sentence does not. Would be great
to see Ferrari overreach themselves and lose the lot.

Youngy
Go Montoya!!!
FIA Formula 3000 Champion 1998
CART Fedex Champion 1999
Indy 500 Winner 2000
FIA Formula 1 Champion 2003 ?????

 
 
 

Ferrari may protest results says Brawn

Post by Levy » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 23:01:52


Quote:
> According to reports in Autosport, Ferrari technical director Ross Brawn,
> has admitted that the Italian champions could appeal the results of
certain
> races in the 2003 season due to the newly discovered non conformity of the
> Michelin front tyres.

Worst Case Scenario - IF the results are protested back as far as the Monaco
Grand Prix (where the illegal tyres were alleged to have been introduced),
and all the Michelin-shod teams kicked out, this is how the championships
would now look....(apologies for the formating - hope it's readable)

Drivers Championship
1 Michael Schumacher  Ferrari   B   104
2 Rubens Barrichello  Ferrari   B   70
3 Kimi Raikkonen  McLaren   M   40
4 Jenson Button  BAR   B   38
5 Nick Heidfeld  Sauber   B  31
6 Fernando Alonso  Renault   M  25
7 Giancarlo Fisichella Jordan   B  24
8 Heinz Harald Frentzen Sauber  B  24
9 Jacques Villeneuve BAR  B  23
10 Ralf Schumacher  Williams M  20
11 Jos Verstappen  Minardi  B 17
12 Juan Montoya  Williams  M  15
13 Ralph Firman  Jordan  B  14
14 Justin Wilson  Jaguar  M  12
15 Jarno Trulli  Renault  M 10
16 Nicolas Kiesa  Minardi  B  8
17 Mark Webber  Jaguar  M  4
18 Cristiano da Matta  Toyota  M  3
19 Zslot Baumgartner  Jordan  B 2

Constructors Championship
1 Ferrari  B  174
2 McLaren  M  63
3 BAR  B  61
4 Sauber  B  55
5 Jordan  B  40
6 Minardi  B  37
7 Renault  M  35
8 Williams  M  35
9 Jaguar  M  4
10 Toyota  M  3

This being the case, Michael Schumacher and Ferrari would be world champions
again. But like I said, this is the very worst case scenario (not that MS
wins, but that the championship is reduced to a farce like this)

Levy

 
 
 

Ferrari may protest results says Brawn

Post by ric zi » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 23:06:12


Quote:
> it's funny, for once Ferrari played by the rules

Ha!
--
ric
 
 
 

Ferrari may protest results says Brawn

Post by VK » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 23:04:34

Quote:



>> According to reports in Autosport, Ferrari technical director Ross
>> Brawn, has admitted that the Italian champions could appeal the
>> results of certain races in the 2003 season due to the newly
>> discovered non conformity of the Michelin front tyres.

> Worst Case Scenario - IF the results are protested back as far as the
> Monaco Grand Prix (where the illegal tyres were alleged to have been
> introduced), and all the Michelin-shod teams kicked out, this is how
> the championships would now look....(apologies for the formating -
> hope it's readable)

> Drivers Championship
> 1 Michael Schumacher  Ferrari   B   104
> 2 Rubens Barrichello  Ferrari   B   70
> 3 Kimi Raikkonen  McLaren   M   40
> 4 Jenson Button  BAR   B   38
> 5 Nick Heidfeld  Sauber   B  31
> 6 Fernando Alonso  Renault   M  25
> 7 Giancarlo Fisichella Jordan   B  24
> 8 Heinz Harald Frentzen Sauber  B  24
> 9 Jacques Villeneuve BAR  B  23
> 10 Ralf Schumacher  Williams M  20
> 11 Jos Verstappen  Minardi  B 17
> 12 Juan Montoya  Williams  M  15
> 13 Ralph Firman  Jordan  B  14
> 14 Justin Wilson  Jaguar  M  12
> 15 Jarno Trulli  Renault  M 10
> 16 Nicolas Kiesa  Minardi  B  8
> 17 Mark Webber  Jaguar  M  4
> 18 Cristiano da Matta  Toyota  M  3
> 19 Zslot Baumgartner  Jordan  B 2

> Constructors Championship
> 1 Ferrari  B  174
> 2 McLaren  M  63
> 3 BAR  B  61
> 4 Sauber  B  55
> 5 Jordan  B  40
> 6 Minardi  B  37
> 7 Renault  M  35
> 8 Williams  M  35
> 9 Jaguar  M  4
> 10 Toyota  M  3

> This being the case, Michael Schumacher and Ferrari would be world
> champions again. But like I said, this is the very worst case
> scenario (not that MS wins, but that the championship is reduced to a
> farce like this)

> Levy

You missed DC ! I guess he would be tops :-))
 
 
 

Ferrari may protest results says Brawn

Post by Levy » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 23:15:22


Quote:



<snip>
> You missed DC ! I guess he would be tops :-))

So I did!!! DC would have 23 points, putting him in 9th place.
 
 
 

Ferrari may protest results says Brawn

Post by Paul » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 23:36:56



Quote:
>it's funny, for once Ferrari played by the rules and now their called
>hypocrits and bad loosers when they spot cheaters

The word is "cheats", not "cheaters". And no Michelin-shod team is
either alleged to have cheated or been accused of cheating by the FIA or
by Ferrari, only by the rabid, bigoted tifauxi who post their libellous
allegations here.

Let's see your source for your ridiculous allegations.
--
Paul B    The irony of the Information Age is that it has given new
           respectability to uninformed opinion. - John Lawton

 
 
 

Ferrari may protest results says Brawn

Post by sluf » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 00:39:40

Quote:



>> According to reports in Autosport, Ferrari technical director Ross
>> Brawn, has admitted that the Italian champions could appeal the
>> results of certain races in the 2003 season due to the newly
>> discovered non conformity of the Michelin front tyres.

> Worst Case Scenario - IF the results are protested back as far as the
> Monaco Grand Prix (where the illegal tyres were alleged to have been
> introduced), and all the Michelin-shod teams kicked out, this is how
> the championships would now look....(apologies for the formating -
> hope it's readable)

> Drivers Championship
> 1 Michael Schumacher  Ferrari   B   104
> 2 Rubens Barrichello  Ferrari   B   70
> 3 Kimi Raikkonen  McLaren   M   40
> 4 Jenson Button  BAR   B   38
> 5 Nick Heidfeld  Sauber   B  31
> 6 Fernando Alonso  Renault   M  25
> 7 Giancarlo Fisichella Jordan   B  24
> 8 Heinz Harald Frentzen Sauber  B  24
> 9 Jacques Villeneuve BAR  B  23
> 10 Ralf Schumacher  Williams M  20
> 11 Jos Verstappen  Minardi  B 17
> 12 Juan Montoya  Williams  M  15
> 13 Ralph Firman  Jordan  B  14
> 14 Justin Wilson  Jaguar  M  12
> 15 Jarno Trulli  Renault  M 10
> 16 Nicolas Kiesa  Minardi  B  8
> 17 Mark Webber  Jaguar  M  4
> 18 Cristiano da Matta  Toyota  M  3
> 19 Zslot Baumgartner  Jordan  B 2

> Constructors Championship
> 1 Ferrari  B  174
> 2 McLaren  M  63
> 3 BAR  B  61
> 4 Sauber  B  55
> 5 Jordan  B  40
> 6 Minardi  B  37
> 7 Renault  M  35
> 8 Williams  M  35
> 9 Jaguar  M  4
> 10 Toyota  M  3

> This being the case, Michael Schumacher and Ferrari would be world
> champions again. But like I said, this is the very worst case
> scenario (not that MS wins, but that the championship is reduced to a
> farce like this)

> Levy

And the biggest losers would be the Sponsors paying punters   i.e *US*

Shame really but hey  at least MS would have won a championship without
cheating

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Ferrari may protest results says Brawn

Post by Alan Pengell » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 01:03:39

Quote:

> it's funny, for once Ferrari played by the rules and now their called
> hypocrits and bad loosers when they spot cheaters

The real issue here is that Michelin/Williams/McLaren have managed to
make wider fronts work for them, whereas Ferrari/Bridgestone have not.
That the Bridgestones are only 220, nowhere near the limit, demonstrates
just how far they have to go. Rather than just knuckling down and trying
to solve the problem (as the opposing teams have since last year), they
resort to this. A real lack of class IMHO.

The FIA is on shaky ground here if it allows itself to be drawn down the
path that Ferrari wants it to go down.

Alan

 
 
 

Ferrari may protest results says Brawn

Post by Richard Mille » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 06:28:01



Quote:
>it's funny, for once Ferrari played by the rules and now their called
>hypocrits and bad loosers when they spot cheaters

No, what is funny is that Ferrari have for once missed a loophole in the
regulations, and are whingeing about the "unfair advantage" other teams
have got.

This from the team of bargeboards and taking your penalty after the race
is over is ***y rich.
--
Richard Miller

 
 
 

Ferrari may protest results says Brawn

Post by Mark Jon » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 11:50:13

On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 16:40:56 GMT, spider
<snip>

Quote:
>Unfortunately this doesn't make for good TV drama. Bernie probably
>watches court TV and NASCAR because he's done a good job of contriving
>the on track display and the politics rival anything you'd see on
>court TV. Also, unfortunately, this isn't auto-racing.

Well, at least we're all talking about it.  My question is, would Ross
Brawn have to prove that the Michelins used in the previous races had
all worn to wider than 270mm, or would Williams, McLaren have to prove
that the tires had not, on a race by race basis?

- Jones
Speed, my ***, my lover.  The nervous, sweet-faced girl who will kiss
me goodbye one sunny afternoon and smash me head first into a wall. - Judd