Next year's "radical" cars

Next year's "radical" cars

Post by ric zi » Sun, 27 Oct 2002 00:29:16


Both Williams and Ferrari are promising radical cars for next year, and
Ron is talking quantum leaps.

OK - where? Where are they going to be radical? What area(s) of the car?
What can the engineers still do within the existing format that's
radically new or different? Aero? Software? ***?

Radical.
Can anyone here make enlightened guesses?
--
ric

 
 
 

Next year's "radical" cars

Post by Bob Hellan » Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:06:24


Quote:
> Both Williams and Ferrari are promising radical cars for next year, and
> Ron is talking quantum leaps.

> OK - where? Where are they going to be radical? What area(s) of the car?
> What can the engineers still do within the existing format that's
> radically new or different? Aero? Software? ***?

> Radical.
> Can anyone here make enlightened guesses?

Six wheels?

Jpgs anyone?

-Bob

 
 
 

Next year's "radical" cars

Post by Martin » Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:08:30


Quote:
> Both Williams and Ferrari are promising radical cars for next year, and
> Ron is talking quantum leaps.

> OK - where? Where are they going to be radical? What area(s) of the car?
> What can the engineers still do within the existing format that's
> radically new or different? Aero? Software? ***?

> Radical.
> Can anyone here make enlightened guesses?
> --

---switch the bullshit meter on---

Williams needs aero and gearbox improvements to make better use of the BMW.
Maybe they will attempt an Arrows type front end.

Ferrari will further optimise an excellent package. Rear end aero and
gearbox improvements. They probably run the smallest radiator ducting now so
look for a slight improvement there. ie. less drag. They will also have
begun development on the next car which will have fewer driver aids after
some will be banned at the end of 2003. As usual, a step or two ahead.

Mclaren are working too hard and it's stifling creativity so don't expect
much more until the BMW chap has an influence in the engine department
(August 2003) They may have their engine boys talking to the gearbox boys by
April so expect improvements by July.

Sauber will join forces with Minardi and test Ferrari passive four wheel
steering.

Bernie will buy 51% of Bridgestone and change the name to
Bridgestone-Firestone-Ecclestone. Mandatory usage of spec BFE will be
rumoured in June.

BAR and Jaguar will both copy Arrows designs but will not move up the grid.

Toyota and Renault will improve without being very radical. Mainly due to
engine and software improvements.

---and back to off---

Have a great weekend, everyone
Martin

 
 
 

Next year's "radical" cars

Post by Graham Hodgso » Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:09:29

Quote:



>>Both Williams and Ferrari are promising radical cars for next year, and
>>Ron is talking quantum leaps.

>>OK - where? Where are they going to be radical? What area(s) of the car?
>>What can the engineers still do within the existing format that's
>>radically new or different? Aero? Software? ***?

>>Radical.
>>Can anyone here make enlightened guesses?

> Six wheels?

According to FIA Regulations a vehicle with 6 wheels doesn't count as an
automobile, and hence cannot compete - Fussy bastards :-(

"The number of wheels shall be 4, not 3, nor 5, but 4. 6 is right out."

;-)

Cheers
Graham

 
 
 

Next year's "radical" cars

Post by Jason H?hn » Sun, 27 Oct 2002 04:33:48


Quote:
> Radical.
> Can anyone here make enlightened guesses?

Maybe they'll be painted lime green with pictures of *** ladies,....
 
 
 

Next year's "radical" cars

Post by Ruddel » Sun, 27 Oct 2002 05:00:25



Quote:



> > Radical.
> > Can anyone here make enlightened guesses?

> Maybe they'll be painted lime green with pictures of *** ladies,....

I've heard of painting with numbers, but nothing so extreme as that!

Dennis

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Next year's "radical" cars

Post by Ivy Mik » Sun, 27 Oct 2002 05:39:52

On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:09:29 +0100, Graham Hodgson

Quote:




>>>Both Williams and Ferrari are promising radical cars for next year, and
>>>Ron is talking quantum leaps.

>>>OK - where? Where are they going to be radical? What area(s) of the car?
>>>What can the engineers still do within the existing format that's
>>>radically new or different? Aero? Software? ***?

>>>Radical.
>>>Can anyone here make enlightened guesses?

>> Six wheels?

>According to FIA Regulations a vehicle with 6 wheels doesn't count as an
>automobile, and hence cannot compete - Fussy bastards :-(

>"The number of wheels shall be 4, not 3, nor 5, but 4. 6 is right out."

                                                        ^^^^^

...Unless thou proceedeth to four.

:-)

--
Mike

ivymike1952 *at* netscape *dot* net

"I'd sell my soul for a Formula 1 racing car."
-- Bart Simpson

 
 
 

Next year's "radical" cars

Post by Gunther Rola » Sun, 27 Oct 2002 05:42:38


Quote:

>Both Williams and Ferrari are promising radical cars for next year, and
>Ron is talking quantum leaps.

>OK - where? Where are they going to be radical? What area(s) of the car?
>What can the engineers still do within the existing format that's
>radically new or different? Aero? Software? ***?

>Radical.
>Can anyone here make enlightened guesses?

For McLaren, a car that doesn't have an engine failure every other race
would be a radical improvement. Or a Williams that actually looks different
then the one from '00,'99 or '98.

Unfortunately (from an entertainment point of view), the 'radical new car'
claims look most believable for Ferrari. They can risk the most, as
Williams, McLaren et al still have to find a sec/lap to just be equal
and Ferrari have the Bridgstone connection. If I got the facts straight,
the F2002 was essentially designed *before* McLaren switched to Michelin
and Ferrari/Bridgestone started their extremely close collaboration.
So the F2003 should be the first car where tire and car where designed
from scratch as components of the same system. So one can be almost
certain that the new car will be significantly faster than this years
and still reliable.

Gunther

 
 
 

Next year's "radical" cars

Post by Frit » Sun, 27 Oct 2002 06:11:17


Quote:


> >Both Williams and Ferrari are promising radical cars for next year, and
> >Ron is talking quantum leaps.

> >OK - where? Where are they going to be radical? What area(s) of the car?
> >What can the engineers still do within the existing format that's
> >radically new or different? Aero? Software? ***?

> >Radical.
> >Can anyone here make enlightened guesses?

> For McLaren, a car that doesn't have an engine failure every other race
> would be a radical improvement. Or a Williams that actually looks
different
> then the one from '00,'99 or '98.

Truer words have NEVER been spoken in this group.

Quote:

> Unfortunately (from an entertainment point of view), the 'radical new car'
> claims look most believable for Ferrari. They can risk the most, as
> Williams, McLaren et al still have to find a sec/lap to just be equal
> and Ferrari have the Bridgstone connection. If I got the facts straight,
> the F2002 was essentially designed *before* McLaren switched to Michelin
> and Ferrari/Bridgestone started their extremely close collaboration.
> So the F2003 should be the first car where tire and car where designed
> from scratch as components of the same system. So one can be almost
> certain that the new car will be significantly faster than this years
> and still reliable.

It gets worse, Frank and Ron need to push the absolute limits next year.  To
finish every race 1 lap down to Ferrari will be unacceptable (see Williams
this year, almost as reliable as Ferrari but that makes no difference if
they are 1 sec a lap slower), they must push for a win or fail trying.  What
this means is Ferrari are going to win every race unless Williams or McLaren
can come up with something radical that can last AND beat the Ferrari at
least once in 17 races.  I would say Williams could win at Monza and McLaren
at Hungary and Monaco, maybe.

Next year is going to be one of the most lop-sided seasons we will ever see
in our lifetimes.  Only the Schuey fanatics will be able to enjoy it (FORZA
BOB HELLAND).

He may very well be the only driver in history to win every race in a
season.

--

Fritz

"We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." George W. Bush,
Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002

 
 
 

Next year's "radical" cars

Post by Cong » Sun, 27 Oct 2002 07:48:25

It is all propaganda to convince fans that the rules should be left intact.
There is no way that Williams or Mclaren are going to catch Ferrari next
season. Should they be capable  it would mean that the rest of the field
would be even further behind the big three. possibly five seconds or more.
Please Bernie and Max end this fu... joke NOW!

Take the damn driver aids away. NO MICROCHIPS or Aerials allowed that would
be a start, let's see if these guys can shift a seven speed gearbox at a
19000 rpm redline :)

Too much engineering, not enough racing. If the big companies aren't happy
let them create their own championship, it will be the most expensive and
boring racing series in history.


Quote:





> > >Both Williams and Ferrari are promising radical cars for next year, and
> > >Ron is talking quantum leaps.

> > >OK - where? Where are they going to be radical? What area(s) of the
car?
> > >What can the engineers still do within the existing format that's
> > >radically new or different? Aero? Software? ***?

> > >Radical.
> > >Can anyone here make enlightened guesses?

> > For McLaren, a car that doesn't have an engine failure every other race
> > would be a radical improvement. Or a Williams that actually looks
> different
> > then the one from '00,'99 or '98.

> Truer words have NEVER been spoken in this group.

> > Unfortunately (from an entertainment point of view), the 'radical new
car'
> > claims look most believable for Ferrari. They can risk the most, as
> > Williams, McLaren et al still have to find a sec/lap to just be equal
> > and Ferrari have the Bridgstone connection. If I got the facts straight,
> > the F2002 was essentially designed *before* McLaren switched to Michelin
> > and Ferrari/Bridgestone started their extremely close collaboration.
> > So the F2003 should be the first car where tire and car where designed
> > from scratch as components of the same system. So one can be almost
> > certain that the new car will be significantly faster than this years
> > and still reliable.

> It gets worse, Frank and Ron need to push the absolute limits next year.
To
> finish every race 1 lap down to Ferrari will be unacceptable (see Williams
> this year, almost as reliable as Ferrari but that makes no difference if
> they are 1 sec a lap slower), they must push for a win or fail trying.
What
> this means is Ferrari are going to win every race unless Williams or
McLaren
> can come up with something radical that can last AND beat the Ferrari at
> least once in 17 races.  I would say Williams could win at Monza and
McLaren
> at Hungary and Monaco, maybe.

> Next year is going to be one of the most lop-sided seasons we will ever
see
> in our lifetimes.  Only the Schuey fanatics will be able to enjoy it
(FORZA
> BOB HELLAND).

> He may very well be the only driver in history to win every race in a
> season.

> --

> Fritz

> "We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." George W. Bush,
> Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002

 
 
 

Next year's "radical" cars

Post by David Melvill » Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:58:47



<snip>

Quote:

>Take the damn driver aids away. NO MICROCHIPS or Aerials allowed that would
>be a start, let's see if these guys can shift a seven speed gearbox at a
>19000 rpm redline :)

Couldn't agree with you more. I remember when losing your temper was a
whole lot more "dangerous" (strategically speaking) than it is now,
owing to the fact that the driver was more likely to overcook the rear
tires and spin, or miss a gear while screaming obscenities into his
helmet.
Traction control is a TOTAL joke to anyone seriously interested in a
World DRIVERS Championship. Thank God they don't use ABS.
Launch control is - to my mind - little better than Playstation.

Quote:

>Too much engineering, not enough racing.

Right on. V. succinctly put.

Quote:
>If the big companies aren't happy
>let them create their own championship, it will be the most expensive and
>boring racing series in history.

Bravo!

Cheers,
       Jaq

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Next year's "radical" cars

Post by TC » Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:27:16


Quote:


> <snip>

> >Take the damn driver aids away. NO MICROCHIPS or Aerials allowed that
would
> >be a start, let's see if these guys can shift a seven speed gearbox at a
> >19000 rpm redline :)

> Couldn't agree with you more. I remember when losing your temper was a
> whole lot more "dangerous" (strategically speaking) than it is now,
> owing to the fact that the driver was more likely to overcook the rear
> tires and spin, or miss a gear while screaming obscenities into his
> helmet.
> Traction control is a TOTAL joke to anyone seriously interested in a
> World DRIVERS Championship. Thank God they don't use ABS.
> Launch control is - to my mind - little better than Playstation.

> >Too much engineering, not enough racing.

> Right on. V. succinctly put.

> >If the big companies aren't happy
> >let them create their own championship, it will be the most expensive and
> >boring racing series in history.

> Bravo!

> Cheers,
>        Jaq

> ROT13 email address to reply

RoT13?   That's nothing!  Remember RotWang?  (Richard O'Brien).

Brilliant!

http://us.imdb.com/Name?O%27Brien,%20Richard%20(I)

 
 
 

Next year's "radical" cars

Post by Rober » Sun, 27 Oct 2002 12:18:12


Quote:
>They probably run the smallest radiator ducting now

        Coolant technology.....seems grossly overlooked.

        [insert Ruebens pissing in radiator joke *here*]

 
 
 

Next year's "radical" cars

Post by David Melvill » Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:18:42



Quote:





>> <snip>

>> >Take the damn driver aids away. NO MICROCHIPS or Aerials allowed that
>would
>> >be a start, let's see if these guys can shift a seven speed gearbox at a
>> >19000 rpm redline :)

>> Couldn't agree with you more. I remember when losing your temper was a
>> whole lot more "dangerous" (strategically speaking) than it is now,
>> owing to the fact that the driver was more likely to overcook the rear
>> tires and spin, or miss a gear while screaming obscenities into his
>> helmet.
>> Traction control is a TOTAL joke to anyone seriously interested in a
>> World DRIVERS Championship. Thank God they don't use ABS.
>> Launch control is - to my mind - little better than Playstation.

>> >Too much engineering, not enough racing.

>> Right on. V. succinctly put.

>> >If the big companies aren't happy
>> >let them create their own championship, it will be the most expensive and
>> >boring racing series in history.

>> Bravo!

>> Cheers,
>>        Jaq

>> ROT13 email address to reply

>RoT13?   That's nothing!  Remember RotWang?  (Richard O'Brien).

>Brilliant!

>http://us.imdb.com/Name?O%27Brien,%20Richard%20(I)

Well I have to admit that wooshed by me........ (?)

Cheers,
       Jaq

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